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nice post pygmalion
thanks for your political insight ;D

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Excellent post sir. I agree and disagree in part. I believe that all should continue living lives as happy and purposeful as we can because we have no other option. Even though other priorities are on the table- Healthcare, energy and education a stand alone bill such as DA should not be too hard a sell for a democratic president and congress.

We are cutting the dems too much slack. The way politics work and I am a political junkie is short term. Once you start thinking down the line you do not know what is going to happen. You have to get things done when the climate is best.

The DA should be attached to a spending bill seperate from CIR which is more complex and can wait till later this year or next year. The DA speaks for itself and if we continue to give ground on the fierce urgency of now then we will be taken for granted.

If the DA was attached to a spending bill, I do not think the opposition would be will to stop the bill because of the DA because most of them agree with the DA in principle. Let the big political fight be about amnesty or CIR or whatever they want to call it not DA.

Strategically the DA should be treated differently and make no mistake about it, I am just being politically tactical. In essence, dreamers are no better than other undocumented folks but I take it as half bread now is better than none now with promise of all in the future.

Hence put pressure on senators and reps and I will dare say discuss with durbin about doing what he did in 2007 by attaching DA to a military bill. It is urgent and let us not give any signal that we are ready to settle for next year. NOW NOW NOW for DA we can be more deliberate and have debates about CIR both not DA.

Opposition to DA is mostly strategic in that they do not want any momentum to begin on this front. My one concern is that Obama will pick Santomayor as supreme court judge and punt this issue for later. Let us not make him get away with that.

With all the controversy of Notre Dame address, did anyone let him know that some graduates this year need DA to pass this year to have a chance to contribute to the future of this country.

Maybe someone in Arizona State or Notre Dame could have made some noise about DA.

My two cents- you are free to disagree.

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what is up with this Sotomayor being a Latina and ohh nice. yea; it shows how diverse this nation is becoming; also at the highest government positions. But I don't understand how choosing a Latina will make the Hispanic community go nuts. shes a judge, shes gonna side with the law, shes gonna be fair.

another thing is, shes Puerto Rican. I don't think there's many Puerto Rican undocumented people; correct me if im wrong. But there's a big difference between A Mexican or Guatemalan;to a Cuban and Puerto Rican. yes they are all Latino, but they each have their own nations, their own unique cultures.

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you have couple points i agree with there. obama's recent actions definitely seem like he is trying to punt the issue of CIR to later time: he is focusing on securing the border for now; he specifically says he doesnt think there are enough votes for CIR at present time (which i hope isnt the same case for DA); his meetings regarding immigration seem nothing but publicity stunts to appease lobbyists short term. to be fair, he's got a lot in his plate. i just dont see obama going full frontal on immigration ahead of the economy, healthcare, energy, and education.

its almost june lol. CIR isnt gonna happen in the next 3 months with all thats happening right now in washington. this is where i hope durbin comes in. hopefully he pushes DREAM for floor time as a standalone ala 2007 to serve as a downpayment to appease the Piolin audience while punting thorny CIR to later time when its more palatable. its better to take small steps then try to shove down a whole enchilada down people's throat. DREAM, which focuses on arguably the most sympathetic group of undocumented population, can serve as sort of a litmus test for CIR. if it fails, then what does that tell you about the prospects of CIR? no DREAM, no CIR.

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When did he say that ?

Of course i agree with you about probably not having the vote right now for CIR. But i personally implied it from his speeches. I don't recall him actually stating that he does not have enough votes.

Can you tell us when/where he said that he doesn't have the vote? I am really curious right now :D.

Well said, sir
 

I agree with your message.
Stop worrying. Sure, it will be great if Dream Act passes, but go out there and try to make life happen for yourself regardless! Don't worry, don't hope, take responsibility and take control of your mind and make something happen. I understand it's tough with the limited resources that you have but be positive, life is not over. You are better off than about 80% other people in the world... You have a roof over your head, some education, and you speak english... That's quite a lot... And listen, if not US, try to go and explore!! Look out for yourself!

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It's true, don't just sit around waiting to make decisions until Dream passes. Start your life, if Dream passes, great, if not, have a back-up plan. Us Dreamers should know better than to rely on others for sympathy. I know for many Dream is their only hope but we don't know if/when it'll happen, and there's only so much we can do.

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http://www.laprensa-sandiego.org/cur...egy.090515.htm

When Piolin asked Obama if he had the votes in Congress on immigration reform, the president was candid.


“Probably not yet,” he said

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i hate to be the devil's advocate, but CIR has no chance of getting enough floor time and pass this year. its just bad timing. i hope to god they at least start the discussion by bringing up DREAM as a standalone this year. if not, we wont see any legalization bill till at least 2011.

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I think CIR's chances are slim, but I don't think there's no chance. It could happen, although the odds are against us.