Re: Obama: immigration overhaul will have to wait
 

education overhaul maybe?

Re: Obama: immigration overhaul will have to wait
 

You don't sound like a jerk at all, you just sound ignorant to the way politics work.

I agree that we should try to look at the bright side of things in life, but that's exactly what politicians count on us to do so they can go about doing what they want with as little opposition as possible.

If Obama can pass bills subtly to make the Immigrant's life worse in the US (i.e. Enforced E-verify system and enforcing deportation) then I believe he can push a little harder for the DA which is not even a CIR.

I've always been the biggest Obama supporter, and I think we should give him sometime, but that has always been what everyone said about politicians they've liked. "give him some time, he'll get around to it.." and then years later they talk about what a mess he made. It's like people never learn.

It's like I said before when the government wants, --what is it? theres 12 million illegals, I'm guessing that makes it something like 6 million people in the DA situation.. im guessing-- 6 million workers who will have the right to earn at least minimal wage, then they will give us the dream act. Meanwhile they're enjoying us as slaves to the system that doesn't allow us to complain about working rights.

Re: Obama: immigration overhaul will have to wait
 

This is what I am hoping for.I've been looking for any educated related bills that must pass for this year but I haven't seen any yet.

Re: Obama: immigration overhaul will have to wait
 

Totally agree. It has been a complete joke since the mid-summer Immigration meeting. We got slapped in the face with E-verify and deportation enforcement and as dessert we got empty promises of CIR. Now we know that evidently nothing will get done before the end of this year as far as reform and in 2010, when the bill gets voted down because the politicians will try to secure as many right-wing votes as possible, Obama will just blame it on the lack of bipartisanship(which, with the democratic majority in both houses isn't even necessary).

Wow, now we are looking for a glimmer of hope in an education bill? Our lives are a parody at this moment.

Introduce DA as a stand alone. If it has a chance of passing as an amendment to the CIR (which touches on a lot of subject that are considered "controversial" like criminal records, back taxes, fines, family sponsorship, deportation waivers etc.) it can be passed by itself.

Re: Obama: immigration overhaul will have to wait
 

apparently fkn e-verify too...

Re: Obama: immigration overhaul will have to wait
 

I sounded that way, because the post I was replying to said Pres. Obama says something new every time he speaks. This has not been correct when it comes to CIR this year, so I was simply correcting the poster.

Now, I understand that things candidates say they will do does not equal things they do when they become president. Let's be real here, if a person was surprised that CIR wasn't going to pass this year, then that person certainly doesn't follow politics closely. Since March, I have been advocating to keep the DA separate from CIR. Why? Because I know a smaller bill can pass be passed without much of an issue compared with a large complex bill like CIR. Once that chance died, I understood that any speedy legalization was doomed.

A few more things.

1. The president doesn't pass bills, congress does. You need to direct your anger to those who allowed the enforcement measures to pass. They are spineless democratic senators who couldn't stand up to enforcement bills. They are the congress members who continue to advocate for the comprehensive method for immigration even though they know parts of the bill could pass this year. That is who you should be blaming.

2. I do believe President Obama wanted to try to pass the DA this year, but CIR advocates took advantage of the momentum of the Dream Act to promote a complete immigration overhaul. Look from Jan to March, there was only Dream Act news, but when you heard CIR advocates talk, they always tied the two issues together. It was very frustrating to me at the time, because I saw what they were trying to do and knew the result. Guess what? They succeeded.

3. From articles I have seen, I think it's more like 2,000,000 people who could potential qualify for the DA.

4. I absolutely don't look on the bright side. I look at the facts. Look at my previous posts, and I doubt you find a optimistic post.

5. I can assure you, I am not "ignorant" when it comes to politics.

Re: Obama: immigration overhaul will have to wait
 

i think i joined the wrong forum, it seems to be very anti obama in here =[

Re: Obama: immigration overhaul will have to wait
 

Nah man, this forums is great as it lets undocumented students come together and discuss issues that are important to them. Moreover, it allows people to truly speak their minds. I do have to admit that some speak without really analyzing what it is that they are saying, however, that happens everywhere.

As far as Obama goes, I'm sure people have reasons for not liking him as we have reasons to like him. Anyway, enjoy the forums and don't mind the few a los que se les calienta el boiler over a few things.

Re: Obama: immigration overhaul will have to wait
 

Am I the only glad to hear CIR news come out of Obama himself?

Re: Obama: immigration overhaul will have to wait
 

lol ok I think you're the one thats a little angry there buddy, but I would like to say that I didn't mean to sound like I was attacking you. The ignorant comment was merely a reflection of how I saw your response.

I do agree with most of your points. I believe, and I'm sure 99% of the DA community is with me, that the DA should be a stand alone bill. Now it makes sense that the advocates for CIR want to ride the DA's bus when it heads to congress, but that just diminishes the chances of the DA to come out any time soon(by anytime soon I mean within Obama's first term). And that's what I'm pissed about.

If the republicans can manage to paint Obama's health reform as such a bad thing (something that's actually going to benefit Americans) and make everyone fight about it. Imagine what's going to happen when he brings up CIR... which may include the DA in it.. If the DA is in that thing were screwed for sure. Because republicans will play the amnesty card and aside of brain washing people they will already have an army of other people who don't want "amnesty" to happen in the first place.

So I can see just exactly what gebodupa said on his reply, the administration implementing all the tough changes on immigration but when it comes time for the relief, nothing will pass and they'll blame it on lack of bipartisanship.