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Smooth 09-14-2021 11:36 AM
Re: Senate parliamentarian pushes Democrats for more details on immigration plan
 
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Originally Posted by Chn (Post 763624)
It’s short-sighted and wears down on our institutions to overrule her. Imagine Republicans limiting or pushing immigration enforcement through reconciliation.

It’s also doesn’t make sense. We’re only having a discussion about potential legalization because of the parliamentarian. She ruled that two reconciliation bills are allowed this year (the first was tied up with COVID relief). Why not ignore that ruling and just go with one?
Adverse parliamentarian decision is no excuse. Republicans don’t need to wait on Democrats to break Senate traditions for them to get drastic and creative in pushing for enforcement provisions in different ways. Remember Trump and funding for the wall? Since when do Republicans honor traditions? Remember Graham and ACB? Fuck that man. You can’t be afraid of these fuckers. There is just no defending Dems in not overruling her if she says no. No excuse whatsoever. This one step anyway. Manchin and Sinema still need to be on board. If nothing happens, let it be because of those two—not because of the parliamentarian’s decision which can just be overruled. It’s legal to do so. If GOP doesn’t like it, fuck them. They do shit we don’t like all the time. Cry me a river GOP. Like I said, shit isn’t rocket science. It’s not a far fetched idea to argue that legalizing 8 million people at $1500 a pop will have a great fiscal impact.

fl_dreamer 09-14-2021 11:56 AM
Re: Senate parliamentarian pushes Democrats for more details on immigration plan
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chn (Post 763624)
It’s short-sighted and wears down on our institutions to overrule her. Imagine Republicans limiting or pushing immigration enforcement through reconciliation.

It’s also doesn’t make sense. We’re only having a discussion about potential legalization because of the parliamentarian. She ruled that two reconciliation bills are allowed this year (the first was tied up with COVID relief). Why not ignore that ruling and just go with one?
Get real. What was the last time republicans cared about the rules? From Supreme Court nomination to tax bill to immigration policies... they simply do not give a shit and do what is needed to push their agenda.

JayR9 09-14-2021 12:12 PM
Re: Senate parliamentarian pushes Democrats for more details on immigration plan
 
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Originally Posted by Smooth (Post 763626)
Adverse parliamentarian decision is no excuse. Republicans don’t need to wait on Democrats to break Senate traditions for them to get drastic and creative in pushing for enforcement provisions in different ways. Remember Trump and funding for the wall? Since when do Republicans honor traditions? Remember Graham and ACB? Fuck that man. You can’t be afraid of these fuckers. There is just no defending Dems in not overruling her if she says no. No excuse whatsoever. This one step anyway. Manchin and Sinema still need to be on board. If nothing happens, let it be because of those two—not because of the parliamentarian’s decision which can just be overruled. It’s legal to do so. If GOP doesn’t like it, fuck them. They do shit we don’t like all the time. Cry me a river GOP. Like I said, shit isn’t rocket science. It’s not a far fetched idea to argue that legalizing 8 million people at $1500 a pop will have a great fiscal impact.
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Originally Posted by fl_dreamer (Post 763627)
Get real. What was the last time republicans cared about the rules? From Supreme Court nomination to tax bill to immigration policies... they simply do not give a shit and do what is needed to push their agenda.
^Exactly, I don't like Republican but I respect the length they go to get what their constituents want. R's win even when they are in the minority just by block everything D want to do. It would be nice to be on the winning team for once. D need to work together and grow a pair. If you can't do shit in the majority and can't block shit in the minority then it's kind of a useless party.

vft1008 09-14-2021 12:30 PM
Re: Senate parliamentarian pushes Democrats for more details on immigration plan
 
Friend or foe? You decide.

Elizabeth MacDonough
Parliamentarian of the United States Senate
Incumbent Since: 2012
Appointer: Senate Majority Leader
Term Length: Serves at the pleasure of the Majority Leader
Yearly Salary: $172,500


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https://i.imgur.com/Bzy7Ft1.jpg?1

https://i.imgur.com/mP23FPY.jpg?2

https://i.imgur.com/ilqqJJ4.jpg?1

https://i.imgur.com/4FXk1Ld.jpg?1

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Jose313 09-14-2021 01:27 PM
Re: Senate parliamentarian pushes Democrats for more details on immigration plan
 
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Originally Posted by vft1008 (Post 763630)
Friend or foe? You decide.

Elizabeth MacDonough
Parliamentarian of the United States Senate
Incumbent Since: 2012
Appointer: Senate Majority Leader
Term Length: Serves at the pleasure of the Majority Leader
Yearly Salary: $172,500


https://i.imgur.com/g5FSM44.jpg?1

https://i.imgur.com/Bzy7Ft1.jpg?1

https://i.imgur.com/mP23FPY.jpg?2

https://i.imgur.com/ilqqJJ4.jpg?1

https://i.imgur.com/4FXk1Ld.jpg?1

https://i.imgur.com/bHOhF7D.jpg?1
She was an Immigration attorney at one point so there's that

dreamer12345 09-20-2021 01:29 AM
Re: Senate parliamentarian pushes Democrats for more details on immigration plan
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chn (Post 763624)
It’s short-sighted and wears down on our institutions to overrule her. Imagine Republicans limiting or pushing immigration enforcement through reconciliation.

It’s also doesn’t make sense. We’re only having a discussion about potential legalization because of the parliamentarian. She ruled that two reconciliation bills are allowed this year (the first was tied up with COVID relief). Why not ignore that ruling and just go with one?
what wears down our institution is creating a god damn unelected "parliamentarian" position overruling the will of the people in the first place. Your realize that's why the position was created right? You think the framers wrote that post in?

Chn 09-20-2021 03:54 PM
Re: Senate parliamentarian pushes Democrats for more details on immigration plan
 
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Originally Posted by dreamer12345 (Post 763900)
what wears down our institution is creating a god damn unelected "parliamentarian" position overruling the will of the people in the first place. Your realize that's why the position was created right? You think the framers wrote that post in?
That's not even accurate.

The parliamentarian was created because someone has to interpret the rules that the Senate themselves created. Yes, the Senate creates their own rules, just like any other institution, just like your school and place of employment has internal rules.

Listen, I'm as upset as anyone regarding her opinion, but the forum is misdirecting their energy. The immigration provision in the reconciliation bill was against the rules, fine, then change the rules. Get rid of the filibuster.

Swim19 09-20-2021 05:27 PM
Re: Senate parliamentarian pushes Democrats for more details on immigration plan
 
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Originally Posted by Chn (Post 763993)
That's not even accurate.

The parliamentarian was created because someone has to interpret the rules that the Senate themselves created. Yes, the Senate creates their own rules, just like any other institution, just like your school and place of employment has internal rules.

Listen, I'm as upset as anyone regarding her opinion, but the forum is misdirecting their energy. The immigration provision in the reconciliation bill was against the rules, fine, then change the rules. Get rid of the filibuster.
I think her arguments went beyond the scope of what as an unelected Parliamentarian should be considering.

dreamer12345 09-20-2021 09:58 PM
Re: Senate parliamentarian pushes Democrats for more details on immigration plan
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chn (Post 763993)
That's not even accurate.

The parliamentarian was created because someone has to interpret the rules that the Senate themselves created. Yes, the Senate creates their own rules, just like any other institution, just like your school and place of employment has internal rules.

Listen, I'm as upset as anyone regarding her opinion, but the forum is misdirecting their energy. The immigration provision in the reconciliation bill was against the rules, fine, then change the rules. Get rid of the filibuster.
Bullshit. I can think of a million ways from Sunday how immigration has a budgetary impact. What, you think this is the first time the parliamentarian rules on an immigration issue?

Good luck getting rid of the filibuster when you don't even have the stones to get rid of an unelected official.

dreamer12345 09-20-2021 10:00 PM
Re: Senate parliamentarian pushes Democrats for more details on immigration plan
 
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Originally Posted by Swim19 (Post 764010)
I think her arguments went beyond the scope of what as an unelected Parliamentarian should be considering.
Should be all the excuse the dems need to fire her ass.

"Bitch xx politicized a budgetary decision and clearly couldn't separate herself from conflicts of as an immigration prosecutor."

Bam, wam, thank you mam, you've been tossed under the bus. That's how Repugnicunts get shit done.


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