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isk84life 02-19-2019 08:41 PM
Re: Presidential Candidate Bernie Sanders' 2020 agenda.
 
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Originally Posted by legendver2 (Post 733464)
Isn't Biden super old now? Same with Bernie?
Dude...
Donald Trump is old as fuck too. Plus Biden looks like he is in much better shape lol.

cmeow 02-19-2019 08:41 PM
Re: Presidential Candidate Bernie Sanders' 2020 agenda.
 
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Originally Posted by Smooth (Post 733473)
It is the same stupid fucking thinking that has delayed the fix for years. Since 2009, ,"oh healthcare reform is more important and pressing, then taxes, then prison reform and so on and son," and opportunities for fixes are passed by because political capital has been used up on other issues. In the mean time, people have been deported or affected somehow.

There is a crazy idea concept called, MULTITASKING. It might just work.
Exactly why I thought DACA's best chance is with the wall so you're not solely depending on the democrats' good graces. The republicans would've kept them honest. Every major legislation will cost political capital because whatever you do in this partisan era, the other party will just find some mistake and bash it for years.

Smooth 02-19-2019 08:43 PM
Re: Presidential Candidate Bernie Sanders' 2020 agenda.
 
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Originally Posted by cmeow (Post 733472)
Dems will run on healthcare, wealth inequality, and maybe expanding voter rights & reducing dark money in politics. If they're smart they'll run on trying to give a bigger paycheck to public school teachers in k-12.

Like I said, dreamers is less than 0.5% of the US population. It's a morality issue and that's about it. It won't be a priority but they'll probably do something from just DACA with USA act all the way to comprehensive immigration reform. During the campaign, I don't expect them to talk about DACA much because there's a lot of other things to talk about. However, if they're asked about dreamers they'll say "I'll support dreamers" or something along those lines.
Bro, people hate Trump because he is a "xenophobe who wants to deport people and build the wall." People aren't mainly angry at him because he cut spending for apple sauce in the public education system.

Again, how are the Dems going to distinguish themselves from Trump? Not addressing the issue just feeds into his propaganda that they are just talk and don't want to fix immigration.

cmeow 02-19-2019 08:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Smooth (Post 733477)
Bro, people hate Trump because he is a "xenophobe who wants to deport people and build the wall." People aren't mainly angry at him because he cut spending for apple sauce in the public education system.

Again, how are the Dems going to distinguish themselves from Trump? Not addressing the issue just feeds into his propaganda that they are just talk and don't want to fix immigration.
If we're talking about getting the votes, they can call Trump racist and all that, talk about whatever and say "yeah I'll legalize the dreamers" but they're going to talk about other dem priorities a lot more. You need to offer something, something more than just anti-Trump and distinguish yourself from the other democratic candidates. There's no democratic candidate that's not anti-trump, it's kind of a given.

When the democratic nominee goes up against Trump, you need to try and pull republican voters over and actually offer something like healthcare or reduce wealth inequality. Being anti-trump to get republican voters is simply not enough and saying legalizing illegal immigrants won't help you either so chances are they won't bring it up unless they need to.

Trust me, there's a very small amount of people that will vote democrat just because they're pro-immigrant. It's certainly a factor but there are bigger factors in play. For example, keeping the government open is more important than dreamers.

Trump will say whatever to get re-elected. Dems will just say "at least I won't take children from their parents, split up families, then can't match children to their parents in the jail system" That, morally, is worse compared to the dreamer issue. Trump would be stupid to bring up immigration unless he wants to get shit on morally by the dems.

Smooth 02-19-2019 09:02 PM
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Originally Posted by cmeow (Post 733478)
If we're talking about getting the votes, they can call Trump racist and all that, talk about whatever and say "yeah I'll legalize the dreamers" but they're going to talk about other dem priorities a lot more. You need to offer something, something more than just anti-Trump and distinguish yourself from the other democratic candidates. There's no democratic candidate that's not anti-trump, it's kind of a given.

When the democratic nominee goes up against Trump, you need to try and pull republican voters over and actually offer something like healthcare or reduce wealth inequality. Being anti-trump to get republican voters is simply not enough and saying legalizing illegal immigrants won't help you either so chances are they won't bring it up unless they need to.

Trust me, there's a very small amount of people that will vote democrat just because they're pro-immigrant. It's certainly a factor but there are bigger factors in play. For example, keeping the government open is more important than dreamers.

Trump will say whatever to get re-elected. Dems will just say "at least I won't take children from their parents, split up families, then can't match children to their parents in the jail system" That, morally, is worse compared to the dreamer issue. Trump would be stupid to bring up immigration unless he wants to get morally shit on by the dems.
Bro, it's a given every Dem candidate "wants to legalize."

Smooth 02-19-2019 09:10 PM
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Originally Posted by cmeow (Post 733478)
If we're talking about getting the votes, they can call Trump racist and all that, talk about whatever and say "yeah I'll legalize the dreamers" but they're going to talk about other dem priorities a lot more. You need to offer something, something more than just anti-Trump and distinguish yourself from the other democratic candidates. There's no democratic candidate that's not anti-trump, it's kind of a given.

When the democratic nominee goes up against Trump, you need to try and pull republican voters over and actually offer something like healthcare or reduce wealth inequality. Being anti-trump to get republican voters is simply not enough and saying legalizing illegal immigrants won't help you either so chances are they won't bring it up unless they need to.

Trust me, there's a very small amount of people that will vote democrat just because they're pro-immigrant. It's certainly a factor but there are bigger factors in play. For example, keeping the government open is more important than dreamers.

Trump will say whatever to get re-elected. Dems will just say "at least I won't take children from their parents, split up families, then can't match children to their parents in the jail system" That, morally, is worse compared to the dreamer issue. Trump would be stupid to bring up immigration unless he wants to get shit on morally by the dems.
Keyword: Multitasking. It's a wild concept, but it might just work for Democrats in control.

cmeow 02-19-2019 09:16 PM
Re: Presidential Candidate Bernie Sanders' 2020 agenda.
 
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Originally Posted by Smooth (Post 733479)
Bro, it's a given every Dem candidate "wants to legalize."
They will say that when they're asked, yeah. They'll spend their time talking about other dem priorities, most likely.

Once they're elected, then you will see how much they care. No one knows for sure. I think Beto will push for dreamers in the first 100 days (honey moon phase), I don't know about anyone else. There's a very good chance that the first and second big legislation from democrats won't be dreamers.

Trump will say dems use dreamers for votes. After dems legalize dreamers, republicans will say dems are for illegal immigrants. It's a lose-lose situation and in fact, saying they use dreamers for votes is way better than actually legalizing illegal immigrants and have republicans blast you and say you support illegal immigration. One is just possible intent, the other becomes somewhat a fact.

Again, this is a moral issue. Being moral doesn't help you pay for your medical bills or you're working two jobs just to be able to pay for rent and food. That's why dems will talk about other dem priorities a lot more. It's necessary for them to beat Trump. Other dem priorities are the appetizer, and entree. The dreamers is desert.

Smooth 02-19-2019 09:22 PM
Re: Presidential Candidate Bernie Sanders' 2020 agenda.
 
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Originally Posted by cmeow (Post 733488)
They will say that when they're asked, yeah. They'll spend their time talking about other dem priorities, most likely.

Once they're elected, then you will see how much they care. No one knows for sure. I think Beto will push for dreamers in the first 100 days (honey moon phase), I don't know about anyone else. There's a very good chance that the first and second big legislation from democrats won't be dreamers.

Trump will say dems use dreamers for votes. After dems legalize dreamers, republicans will say dems are for illegal immigrants. It's a lose-lose situation and in fact, saying they use dreamers for votes is way better than actually legalizing illegal immigrants and have republicans blast you and say you support illegal immigration. One is just possible intent, the other becomes somewhat a fact.

Again, this is a moral issue. Being moral doesn't help you pay for your medical bills or you're working two jobs just to be able to pay for rent and food. That's why dems will talk about other dem priorities a lot more. It's necessary for them to beat Trump. Other dem priorities are the appetizer, and entree. The dreamers is desert.
Don't expect anything to get fixed anytime soon if you are correct because it will be 2009-2011 again.

And, if you are correct, I would agree with Libertarian's advice: go for a plan B. Fuck these guys.

cmeow 02-19-2019 09:29 PM
Re: Presidential Candidate Bernie Sanders' 2020 agenda.
 
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Originally Posted by Smooth (Post 733489)
Don't expect anything to get fixed anytime soon if you are correct because it will be 2009-2011 again.

And, if you are correct, I would agree with Libertarian's advice: go for a plan B. Fuck these guys.
If a democratic candidate gets elected president, the dreamer situation won't get worse. I'm pretty sure of that. We will get legalized if it's convenient or something to throw in a bipartisan bill so the bill tips in favor of dems.

I'm interested in seeing the house bill for dreamers that they call "bipartisan".

I also think that if a dem become president, SCOTUS taking on DACA even removing DACA is good. It'll put pressure on Congress to do something. No DACA safety net during Trump presidency is worrisome.

Pianoswithoutfaith 02-19-2019 09:43 PM
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I support democrats because they’re not actively trying to come after daca. This is something some of you redHats wannabes need to understand. Democrats aren’t out there suing to end daca ( Paxton and how many Republicans AG?), yeah I can see they’re not going above and beyond to walk over their people you know actually voters to protect
Daca ( maybe Republicans should STOP coming after us) but that’s all they’re doing and that’s enough for us. Daca with AP is all we need. Most of the smarter people here have realize dream act/wall or any other path that offers legalization isn’t happening. Republicans are still bitter about the amnesty of 1986 and truly hate us.


The way things are unfolding are just plaid silly and backwards. We went from having DACA with AP to ..... just DACA?

How did does this even make sense. The man some of you ( 2Face,Smooth,Libertiandude) worthwhile,
Took something or attempted or is trying to take from you, something that has changed your lives, and now wants to offer a replacement that’s a version that’s 100x worse, in exchange for a wall?


So yeah cmeow is right, any Democratic candidate main interest and political stance won’t be dreamers. Sorry guys you’re all just not that important when there’s bigger things on the table that voting Americans actually care about because it affects their daily lives.

Had trump just not touched daca we wouldn’t be in this mess, it all broke down when he ended daca and threw away that 25 billion offer. That’s the day that sealed our fate here. Any democratic candidate will show sympathy for us in the form
Of just saying “yes I care about the dreamers” which is really more than enough for us when you consider every republican candidate position will be “I will end daca the way it should have been ended”


Trump couldn’t end daca because the federal judges saw racial motive. Had he not posted those racist tweets, we wouldn’t have daca right now you really think it would pushed congress to act? No r wouldn’t


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