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JJ Glo 04-17-2013 12:06 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 2Face (Post 461485)
But it does say the Secretary may decide to implement a "streamlined" process for DACA recipients. I HOPE this means immediate green card.
The streamlined process will be after your 5 years of RPI are finished. DACA approved may get a streamlined path to become PRs.

dreamofgold 04-17-2013 12:06 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by aquarius88 (Post 461480)
I believe provisional. 5 years after that you'll be eligible for green card and citizenship.
As I read it on 113 to 116 Napolitano has the power to give DACA people (the ones who were already approved for DACA) Green Cards. Thus the streamlined process.

The 5 year wait could still apply to us (DACA approved), but in General are for those people who haven't been DACA approved.

Sonawabich 04-17-2013 12:06 PM
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I agree with Smooth. It should be smooth from DACA to RPI at least.

pavpatel 04-17-2013 12:07 PM
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what does Conditional Permanent Residency actually entail? What does that even mean? Seems like RPI = Conditional Permanent Residency. They sound the same to me.

JJ Glo 04-17-2013 12:08 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dreamofgold (Post 461498)
As I read it on 113 to 116 Napolitano has the power to give DACA people (the ones who were already approved for DACA) Green Cards. Thus the streamlined process.

The 5 year wait could still apply to us (DACA approved), but in General are for those people who haven't been DACA approved.
‘© DACA RECIPIENTS.—The Secretary
23 may adopt streamlined procedures for appli
cants for adjustment to lawful permanent resi
dent status under this section who were granted
116
EAS13500 S.L.C.
1 Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (re
ferred to in this paragraph as ‘DACA’) pursu
ant to the Secretary’s memorandum of June
4 15, 2012.

That means that the streamlined process will be to adjust to Permanent Resident, after your 5 years of RPI are up.

Sonawabich 04-17-2013 12:09 PM
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RPI = no benefits

Pianoswithoutfaith 04-17-2013 12:10 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JJ Glo (Post 461502)
‘© DACA RECIPIENTS.—The Secretary
23 may adopt streamlined procedures for appli
cants for adjustment to lawful permanent resi
dent status under this section who were granted
116
EAS13500 S.L.C.
1 Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (re
ferred to in this paragraph as ‘DACA’) pursu
ant to the Secretary’s memorandum of June
4 15, 2012.

That means that the streamlined process will be to adjust to Permanent Resident, after your 5 years of RPI are up.


Still even so she has the power to do it and Obama could just approved it


IMO it gives her way too much of it

JJ Glo 04-17-2013 12:11 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pianoswithoutfaith (Post 461505)
Still even so she has the power to do it and Obama could just approved it


IMO it gives her way too much of it
Gives her way too much of what? You don't want a streamlined path when adjusting to PR status?

Smooth 04-17-2013 12:13 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pianoswithoutfaith (Post 461505)
Still even so she has the power to do it and Obama could just approved it


IMO it gives her way too much of it
JJ is correct.

We still have to fulfill the 5-year-wait requirement. Unless, you have a medical condition that exempts you from meeting that stipulation.

The only way around that 5-year wait is a medical condition--I think.

2Face 04-17-2013 12:14 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Smooth (Post 461488)
Yes, I notice we have to go through RPI, even if we have degrees and/or have been approved for DACA. Oh well. :- ) It's still great.

Let's wait for the final product. So many things can change.
When will you get approved man? That adjudicator is taking way too long.

Smooth 04-17-2013 12:16 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 2Face (Post 461513)
When will you get approved man? That adjudicator is taking way too long.
I hope soon man. I am thinking about sending the adjudicator some damn tacos. It might speed up the approval.

not_today 04-17-2013 12:16 PM
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We don't know their definition of streamlining things. I'll just wait for an official explanation.

2Face 04-17-2013 12:18 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JJ Glo (Post 461502)
‘© DACA RECIPIENTS.—The Secretary
23 may adopt streamlined procedures for appli
cants for adjustment to lawful permanent resi
dent status under this section who were granted
116
EAS13500 S.L.C.
1 Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (re
ferred to in this paragraph as ‘DACA’) pursu
ant to the Secretary’s memorandum of June
4 15, 2012.

That means that the streamlined process will be to adjust to Permanent Resident, after your 5 years of RPI are up.
Where did you reach that conclusion? Because this 5 year wait as RPI is discussed right above under "DREAM ACT"

Smooth 04-17-2013 12:18 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by not_today (Post 461516)
We don't know their definition of streamlining things. I'll just wait for an official explanation.
Well, under this bill, I can sure damn guarantee that we will be eligible for permanent residency once we meet all of the requirements stipulated in A (i-iv). I mentioned only one clear, possible loophole in my previous posts.

dreamofgold 04-17-2013 12:20 PM
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Condtional Permanent Residency = They give you a Green Card that last 2 years.

This is the same when someone marries a US Citizen. After the 2 years are up then they will see if you are approved for Permanent Residency.

Smooth 04-17-2013 12:21 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 2Face (Post 461518)
Where did you reach that conclusion? Because this 5 year wait as RPI is discussed right above under "DREAM ACT"
JJGlo is correct bro. And, why would the hypothetical streamlined process to citizenship be based on DACA? If you are going to create a streamlined process to permanent residency or citizenship for us, you base it on DACA and/or degrees earned. It does not make sense to get a fast path to citizenship based solely on a DACA approval.

dreamofgold 04-17-2013 12:22 PM
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Condtional Permanent Residency = They give you a Green Card that last 2 years.

This is the same when someone marries a US Citizen. After the 2 years are up then they will see if you are approved for Permanent Residency.

JJ Glo 04-17-2013 12:24 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 2Face (Post 461518)
Where did you reach that conclusion? Because this 5 year wait as RPI is discussed right above under "DREAM ACT"
The DACA part is under the "APPLICATION FOR LAWFUL PERMANENT RESIDENT STATUS" section. It states "A registered provisional immigrant seeking lawful permanent resident status shall file an application for such status in such manner as the Secretary of Homeland Security may require." Which means that we have to serve RPI, which would be 5 years for Dreamers, whether DACA approved or not. On the DACA section it says that we may get a streamlined process to adjust for Lawful Permanent Resident Status, from RPI status.

‘‘(2) APPLICATION FOR LAWFUL PERMANENT
20 RESIDENT STATUS.—
21 ‘‘(A) IN GENERAL.—A registered provi
sional immigrant seeking lawful permanent resi
dent status shall file an application for such
24 status in such manner as the Secretary of
25 Homeland Security may require.

‘‘(C) DACA RECIPIENTS.—The Secretary
23 may adopt streamlined procedures for appli
cants for adjustment to lawful permanent resi
dent status under this section who were granted
116
EAS13500 S.L.C.
1 Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals

dreamofgold 04-17-2013 12:24 PM
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To me it doesn't make sense for DACA approved people to wait 5 years. Because many of us have already higher degrees.

It makes sense for people who haven't met the requirement of higher education or enlistment.

I feel that DACA approved people will get Conditional Permanent Residency (Green Card that lasts 2 years) right away or just straight to Permanent Residency.

Napolitano has the power to do it.

Smooth 04-17-2013 12:25 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dreamofgold (Post 461525)
Condtional Permanent Residency = They give you a Green Card that last 2 years.

This is the same when someone marries a US Citizen. After the 2 years are up then they will see if you are approved for Permanent Residency.
I understand this.

not_today 04-17-2013 12:27 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Smooth (Post 461532)
I understand this.
lol'd

Smooth 04-17-2013 12:27 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dreamofgold (Post 461531)
To me it doesn't make sense for DACA approved people to wait 5 years. Because many of us have already higher degrees.

It makes sense for people who haven't met the requirement of higher education or enlistment.

I feel that DACA approved people will get Conditional Permanent Residency (Green Card that lasts 2 years) right away or just straight to Permanent Residency.

Napolitano has the power to do it.
Napolitano has the power to do it if you meet A(i-iv) OR meet the mentioned exception. If you do not meet these requirements, Napolitano does not have the power to do squat.

Smooth 04-17-2013 12:28 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by not_today (Post 461535)
lol'd
lol I meant to say that I understand what the member was trying to say. Calm your butt down.

not_today 04-17-2013 12:33 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Smooth (Post 461538)
lol I meant to say that I understand what the member was trying to say. Calm your butt down.
I understand (ha!) what you implied, it's just that it sounds like you are giving positive feedback to a retard. Hell, you probably understood what I implied with 'lol'd'. Why can't I hold all these implications????

2Face 04-17-2013 12:34 PM
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Ok JJ and Smooth, I see it now clearly. You're right. To keep it short...All Dreamers are on the same boat for now until the 5 years of RPI are up.

Pianoswithoutfaith 04-17-2013 12:34 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Smooth (Post 461536)
Napolitano has the power to do it if you meet A(i-iv) OR meet the mentioned exception. If you do not meet these requirements, Napolitano does not have the power to do squat.
Yes this is correct reading more into all the talk about DACA seem to point we will just provisional status and not green cards

Smooth 04-17-2013 12:36 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by not_today (Post 461543)
I understand (ha!) what you implied, it's just that it sounds like you are giving positive feedback to a retard. Hell, you probably understood what I implied with 'lol'd'. Why can't I hold all these implications????
lol

I am not trying to be mean, but my dear dudes . . . there is no way out of the 5-year wait unless you have some sort of medical condition that would prevent you from meeting that requirement. I think that's the only exception.

Pianoswithoutfaith 04-17-2013 12:36 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 2Face (Post 461544)
Ok JJ and Smooth, I see it now clearly. You're right. To keep it short...All Dreamers are on the same boat for now until the 5 years of RPI are up.
Pretty much

I guess this what grandfathered meant , using streamline could just mean our process of getting rpi in the first is easier as we are already daca approve. The only difference between dacaers and dream acters is how you get rpi in the first place.

Smooth 04-17-2013 12:39 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pianoswithoutfaith (Post 461547)
Pretty much

I guess this what grandfathered meant , using streamline could just mean our process of getting rpi in the first is easier as we are already daca approve. The only difference between dacaers and dream acters is how you get rpi in the first place.
^This.

2Face 04-17-2013 12:39 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pianoswithoutfaith (Post 461547)
Pretty much

I guess this what grandfathered meant , using streamline could just mean our process of getting rpi in the first is easier as we are already daca approve. The only difference between dacaers and dream acters is how you get rpi in the first place.
But now this means that the process of getting the lawful permanent residence status will be a little long even after the 5 years are up for Dreamers. Why else would they say "streamlined" for DACA recipients? Lets see how this pans out. I'm not complaining at all. To me those 5 years of RPI are just like permanent residency as long as they let me travel.

JJ Glo 04-17-2013 12:39 PM
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Either way, for those who have degrees, you will be able to work at any job and travel with RPI, well, unless the job requires solely Citizenship.

TodoBien 04-17-2013 12:40 PM
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does anybody know where i can find the requirements to CIR such as criminal requirements ?

dreamofgold 04-17-2013 12:41 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Smooth (Post 461536)
Napolitano has the power to do it if you meet A(i-iv) OR meet the mentioned exception. If you do not meet these requirements, Napolitano does not have the power to do squat.
DACA approved peeps meet all the requirements except for the 5 years... well b/c we just got approved last year or this year.

So the "streamlined" process could be that the 5 years can be exempt for the DACA approved. I have a good feeling that this will happen.

The only reason why they have that 5 years are for people who need to finish that higher education or enlistment requirement.

Pianoswithoutfaith 04-17-2013 12:41 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TodoBien (Post 461554)
does anybody know where i can find the requirements to CIR such as criminal requirements ?
Last pages or you can read my past posts

Pianoswithoutfaith 04-17-2013 12:42 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 2Face (Post 461550)
But now this means that the process of getting the lawful permanent residence status will be a little long even after the 5 years are up for Dreamers. Why else would they say "streamlined" for DACA recipients? Lets see how this pans out. I'm not complaining at all. To me those 5 years of RPI are just like permanent residency as long as they let me travel.
It could mean our 5 years started to count the moment you were daca approved

Smooth 04-17-2013 12:43 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dreamofgold (Post 461555)
DACA approved peeps meet all the requirements except for the 5 years... well b/c we just got approved last year or this year.

So the "streamlined" process could be that the 5 years can be exempt for the DACA approved. I have a good feeling that this will happen.

The only reason why they have that 5 years are for people who need to finish that higher education or enlistment requirement.
You are right. It can change. The question: will it?

Under the current text of the bill, DACA does not make me the Justin Bieber of legalization or special. Our rear-ends have to wait.

dreamofgold 04-17-2013 12:44 PM
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RPI would apply to people who are still undocumented.

not_today 04-17-2013 12:44 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Smooth (Post 461546)
lol

I am not trying to be mean, but my dear dudes . . . there is no way out of the 5-year wait unless you have some sort of medical condition that would prevent you from meeting that requirement. I think that's the only exception.
There were comments a few days before the bill came out about how DREAMEers would get conditional permanent resident cards immediately.

When you read clauses like this one: "A registered provisional immigrant seeking lawful permanent resident status shall file an application for such status in such manner as the Secretary of Homeland Security may require", it makes you wonder if once you are in the RPI status, the process becomes discretionary and the 5 year rule can be disregarded.

dreamofgold 04-17-2013 12:46 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by not_today (Post 461562)
There were comments a few days before the bill came out about how DREAMEers would get conditional permanent resident cards immediately.

When you read clauses like this one: "A registered provisional immigrant seeking lawful permanent resident status shall file an application for such status in such manner as the Secretary of Homeland Security may require", it makes you wonder if once you are in the RPI status, the process becomes discretionary and the 5 year rule can be disregarded.

Yes it says "may require" It's all discretionary from there... Thus I have been saying Napolitano has the power.

Smooth 04-17-2013 12:47 PM
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The bill is poorly written.


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