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NK74 09-21-2021 08:33 PM

Re: Menendez describes two additional tiers to pitching legalization to parliamentari
 
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Originally Posted by Smooth (Post 764110)
Wrong…the only people endangering reconciliation with immigration are the Senate Democrats listening to the parliamentarian when they can just ignore the bitch. That’s what our problem is.

Even if the parliamentarian rules favorably next time, the whole bill might sink if the left wing and the moderate wing don't reach a compromise on spending levels.

Right now, Sinema said she won't vote for reconciliation if they don't change the drug prescription plan, Manchin suggested they postpone the whole thing till next year - which makes it good as dead, the progressives in the House say they won't vote for the infrastructure bill if there's no reconciliation while the house moderates threaten to not vote for anything if the infrastructure bill doesn't go through. They also say legitimately, they won't vote for anything unless they know the Senate moderates vote for it. But the Senate moderates still won't say what spending level is acceptable to them.

So yeah. This is how sausage is made, it may all magically come together in the end, but there are a ton of balls up in the air.

Smooth 09-21-2021 08:50 PM

Re: Menendez describes two additional tiers to pitching legalization to parliamentari
 
Well, the Dems should be focusing on those controversial parts rather than even (for the billionth time) entertaining the parliamentarian. Waste of fucking time. Chingada madre buey. Entiende.

dtrt09 09-21-2021 10:11 PM

Re: Menendez describes two additional tiers to pitching legalization to parliamentari
 
Progressive Caucus has reiterated that without the entirety of the reconciliation bill (including legalization), they will not pass the Senate budget/infrastructure bill.

House progressives have all the leverage.

dreamer12345 09-22-2021 08:20 AM

Re: Menendez describes two additional tiers to pitching legalization to parliamentari
 
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Originally Posted by NK74 (Post 764073)
Let's do a thought experiment.

Let's say that tomorrow, the Dems magically get 65 Senate seats. Do they pass comprehensive immigration reform, yes or no?

Let's say that alternatively, tomorrow, Republicans get 65 Senate seats, plus the Presidency and the House instead. Do they pass even the most popular part of immigration reform like DACA?

It's obvious that Republicans have a restrictionist position and Democrats want to do something but have tremendous difficulty because of a myriad of constrains imposed on them by the rules and their razor thin majorities.

Those cynics who try to portray the Democrats and the Republicans as functionally the same on this issue like to think they are world weary but they are really engaging in facile thinking.

you've been on the board 11 yrs and still making excuses for do-nothing dems? Wow

JayR9 09-22-2021 01:11 PM

Re: Menendez describes two additional tiers to pitching legalization to parliamentari
 
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Originally Posted by Sorrybrah (Post 763961)
They might need to rely on the immigration topic come midterm elections. This is pure politics at its finest.

funny thing is it has consistently failed them. they always get raped midterms.

dreamer12345 09-22-2021 07:50 PM

Re: Menendez describes two additional tiers to pitching legalization to parliamentari
 
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Originally Posted by JayR9 (Post 764151)
funny thing is it has consistently failed them. they always get raped midterms.

god forbid they get something better than fuck all done to improve their chances.


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