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alex1234 04-17-2013 02:08 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pianoswithoutfaith (Post 461686)
the term self deported does not exist, you didn't self deport, you just left the country, were you deported or was it voluntary departure given by court?

if you simply just left, then no you would not be eligible
I left to continue my studies in Canada, it doesn't say anything about self-deportation.

beachgirlx19 04-17-2013 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by live4dream (Post 461684)
this is too long for me to read at work. what page is dream act detail on anybody know?
start on page 110

Smooth 04-17-2013 02:10 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pianoswithoutfaith (Post 461694)
he he says he left before December 2011 so he should be good then right
Yes, this is what I am wondering . . . the key word(s) in question here is . . . "self-deport." You should be fine because my friends left the country for like a month, returned, and qualified for DACA. :- ) That would be awesome brah!!!

Edit: but, then you might have an issue witt the amount of time that you were outside of the country . . . you should check with a lawyer when CIR happens. It doesn't hurt to try.

Pianoswithoutfaith 04-17-2013 02:11 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Smooth (Post 461700)
Yes, this is what I am wondering . . . the key word(s) in question here is . . . "self-deport." You should be fine because my friends left the country for like a month, returned, and qualified for DACA. :- ) That would be awesome brah!!!
but then he would need to first apply, I dont suggest he enters back illegally


read this


Quote:
who
15 has reentered the United States illegally after
16 December 31, 2011 without receiving the Sec17
retary’s consent to reapply for admission under
18 section 212(a)(9),

What is section 212? I cannot find it

DA User 04-17-2013 02:12 PM
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This is the best bill I have read in my entire life. News so good that I have tears in my eyes. Let's see what the House bill is.

Pianoswithoutfaith 04-17-2013 02:14 PM
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arghhh I keep reading Under Section # but I cant find that section on the bill itself =/

Pianoswithoutfaith 04-17-2013 02:14 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by alex1234 (Post 461696)
I left to continue my studies in Canada, it doesn't say anything about self-deportation.
okay, so you volunteering left which is way different from volunteering deporting oneself

Smooth 04-17-2013 02:16 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pianoswithoutfaith (Post 461701)
but then he would need to first apply, I dont suggest he enters back illegally read this





What is section 212? I cannot find it
I agree.

Smooth 04-17-2013 02:17 PM
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Another question: what if you were deported for non-criminal reasons, but you came back? I know a few . . .

Edit: I am sure this must be mentioned in the bill. I just do not have time to carefully read through that section right now . . .

live4dream 04-17-2013 02:17 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by beachgirlx19 (Post 461699)
start on page 110
Thanks i found it

alex1234 04-17-2013 02:18 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pianoswithoutfaith (Post 461705)
okay, so you volunteering left which is way different from volunteering deporting oneself
What's the difference?

alex1234 04-17-2013 02:19 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Smooth (Post 461700)
Yes, this is what I am wondering . . . the key word(s) in question here is . . . "self-deport." You should be fine because my friends left the country for like a month, returned, and qualified for DACA. :- ) That would be awesome brah!!!

Edit: but, then you might have an issue witt the amount of time that you were outside of the country . . . you should check with a lawyer when CIR happens. It doesn't hurt to try.
I'll do that for sure.

Books 04-17-2013 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by beachgirlx19 (Post 461669)
yeah, I dont really see the difference between RPI and permanent residency, they allow us to work, and live here safely, I'm still a little fishy about the travel though, but personally, i don't even care about the benefits of the government being on welfare and all that, as long as i can work and have a good job i'll be happy, i don't care for free money from the gov't
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Originally Posted by not_today (Post 461680)
The difference could be discrimination. "Oh, this is the RPI card that all the illegals are getting". And *bam*, you don't get the job because you are not "what the company is looking for."
Yeah that and also for some states to put "Limited Lawful Status" or some such crap on ID's and DL's to differentiate people. I hope this is not the case. I'm assuming no in state tuition as well with RPI.

beachgirlx19 04-17-2013 02:25 PM
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True, I'm going for my road test in May, and my permit says "temporary imm status" so I'm assuming that's what my actual license will say as well. and I get in-state tuition, I talked to one of my guidance counselors she said it kinda depends on the school as well, but I remember when I was applying to go to that college, I gave them the ITIN number which was okay, but I just go to some community college, I'm from Jersey btw

Pianoswithoutfaith 04-17-2013 02:27 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by alex1234 (Post 461711)
What's the difference?
volunteering departure is the court gives you an option for yourself to "self deport"


if you just left the country by order or chance by the court, then you just left. You didnt like here and left the country.

Pianoswithoutfaith 04-17-2013 02:29 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Smooth (Post 461709)
Another question: what if you were deported for non-criminal reasons, but you came back? I know a few . . .

Edit: I am sure this must be mentioned in the bill. I just do not have time to carefully read through that section right now . . .
I think it would apply back to section 212, if you were deported after 2011, you are not eligible for this. Doesn't matter if you were deported for being at the wrong place or time or because of criminal reasons. If you entered illegally, you are not eligible however, you could enter back by applying for a chance to renter under section 212 which again I can';t find it. if you were deported before December 2011, you might be eligible for RPI

Smooth 04-17-2013 02:31 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pianoswithoutfaith (Post 461718)
I think it would apply back to section 212, if you were deported after 2011, you are not eligible for this. Doesn't matter if you were deported for being at the wrong place or time or because of criminal reasons. If you entered illegally, you are not eligible however, you could enter back by applying for a chance to renter under section 212 which again I can';t find it. if you were deported before December 2011, you might be eligible for RPI
Yep. My uncle is screwed. Was deported before 2011, but re-entered illegally . . .

Pianoswithoutfaith 04-17-2013 02:34 PM
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Even if you entered before December 2011 if you don't have 2 years of history before 2011, you are not eligible for RPI.

Pianoswithoutfaith 04-17-2013 02:35 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Smooth (Post 461721)
Yep. My uncle is screwed. Was deported before 2011, but re-entered illegally . . .
yeah had he stay there, he might have been able to apply for RPI

Smooth 04-17-2013 02:36 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pianoswithoutfaith (Post 461724)
Even if you entered before December 2011 if you don't have 2 years of history before 2011, you are not eligible for RPI.
He has a history . . . but, the fact that he re-entered illegally disqualifies him.

Pianoswithoutfaith 04-17-2013 02:37 PM
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yeah that totally sucks!! and he could face deportation as well

Pianoswithoutfaith 04-17-2013 02:39 PM
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yeah I think I am understanding the bill a lot better now

Smooth 04-17-2013 02:44 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pianoswithoutfaith (Post 461728)
yeah that totally sucks!! and he could face deportation as well
I feel bad for him, but I also remember how much he would try ridicule/ciritcize my parents and me for being undocumented or not having an SSN and a driver's license. He applied years ago on the belief that he would be able to legalize based on the fact that his kids are born here. Somehow, the turd managed to get an SSN and driver's license. It cost a pretty penny though.

When CIR happens, life is going to get extraordinarly difficult for him because of E-verify and all the other work authorization verfication procedures that employers will required to follow.

TodoBien 04-17-2013 02:45 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Smooth (Post 461721)
Yep. My uncle is screwed. Was deported before 2011, but re-entered illegally . . .
just have em go back ? and apply from mexico ?

DA User 04-17-2013 02:45 PM
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Age cap is 36 or under on Dream Act?

Pianoswithoutfaith 04-17-2013 02:45 PM
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that only that but before they didnt keep track of who left the country but now they will, they have to get reports of who is leaving out.

this seriously sucks man I feel bad for him

Pianoswithoutfaith 04-17-2013 02:47 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TodoBien (Post 461733)
just have em go back ? and apply from mexico ?


Yes, but there would be records of him leaving the country


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6) ELIGIBILITY AFTER DEPARTURE.—
10 ‘‘(A) IN GENERAL.—An alien who departed
11 from the United States while subject to an
12 order of exclusion, deportation, or removal, or
13 pursuant to an order of voluntary departure
14 and who is outside of the United States, or who
15 has reentered the United States illegally after
16 December 31, 2011 without receiving the Sec17
retary’s consent to reapply for admission under
18 section 212(a)(9), shall not be eligible to file an
19 application for registered provisional immigrant
20 status.

Pianoswithoutfaith 04-17-2013 02:53 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DA User (Post 461734)
Age cap is 36 or under on Dream Act?
Under the Dream Act, the age cap for it 36, but I cannot find this on the actual bill itself


also


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B) EMPLOYMENT OR EDUCATION RE18
QUIREMENT.—Except as provided in subpara19
graphs (D) and (E) of section 245C(b)(3), an
20 alien may not be granted an extension of reg21
istered provisional immigrant status under this
22 paragraph unless the alien establishes that,
23 during the alien’s period of status as a reg24
istered provisional immigrant, the alien—
81
EAS13500 S.L.C.
1 ‘‘(i)(I) was regularly employed
2 throughout the period of admission as a
3 registered provisional immigrant, allowing
4 for brief periods lasting not more than 60
5 days; and
6 ‘‘(II) is not likely to become a public
7 charge (as determined under section
8 212(a)(4)); or
9 ‘‘(ii) is able to demonstrate average
10 income or resources that are not less than
11 100 percent of the Federal poverty level
12 throughout the period of admission as a
13 registered provisional immigrant.
14 ‘‘(C) PAYMENT OF TAXES.—An applicant
15 may not be granted an extension of registered
16 provisional immigrant status under subpara17
graph (A)(ii) unless the applicant has satisfied
18 any applicable Federal tax liability in accord19
ance with paragraph (2).

Pianoswithoutfaith 04-17-2013 02:55 PM
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what does this mean?

so if you are DACA Approve, you can only get RPI if national security and law
enforcement clearances have been completed?

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the Secretary may grant such sta6
tus to the alien if renewed national security and law
7 enforcement clearances have been completed on be8
half of the alien.

Optimism12 04-17-2013 02:57 PM
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DREAM RPIs may apply for adjustment of status to Permanent Residency if they have completed at least 2 years in an institution of higher education or 4 years in the military



what does it mean by higher education? does 2 years of community college count?

DA User 04-17-2013 02:57 PM
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Where does it say age 36 or under for Dream Act?

Pianoswithoutfaith 04-17-2013 02:57 PM
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you know, I cannot find 36 years in this bill..

Pianoswithoutfaith 04-17-2013 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Optimism12 (Post 461749)
DREAM RPIs may apply for adjustment of status to Permanent Residency if they have completed at least 2 years in an institution of higher education or 4 years in the military



what does it mean by higher education? does 2 years of community college count?
after 5 years


it means towards a bacherlors or higher education as define under such and such

arclite 04-17-2013 02:59 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Optimism12 (Post 461749)
DREAM RPIs may apply for adjustment of status to Permanent Residency if they have completed at least 2 years in an institution of higher education or 4 years in the military



what does it mean by higher education? does 2 years of community college count?
Yes they count.

Smooth 04-17-2013 03:00 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pianoswithoutfaith (Post 461735)
that only that but before they didnt keep track of who left the country but now they will, they have to get reports of who is leaving out.

this seriously sucks man I feel bad for him
Yes, I do not wish this on him because it sucks; he has two kids.

dreamofgold 04-17-2013 03:02 PM
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For people who have read the entire bill:

What happens to the people who have been waiting for like 15 years under a family sponsorship? Do they get to adjust their status immediately to Permanent Residency?

And if that sponsored individual is married with children, does the spouse as well as the children adjust their status?

Optimism12 04-17-2013 03:04 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pianoswithoutfaith (Post 461752)
after 5 years


it means towards a bacherlors or higher education as define under such and such
Well i'm going to school this fall and i thought 2 years of community college would count so i put With No Transfer on my application. Should I transfer and go toa usc after i get my associates? :shock:

freshh. 04-17-2013 03:23 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Smooth (Post 461756)
Yes, I do not wish this on him because it sucks; he has two kids.
That's terrible.

We have a family friend who won't be eligible to adjust either. But her situation is pretty messy as far as what she did to make herself ineligible. I feel sorry for her kids because she's a single mother and they don't have any other family members they can turn to for help.

She's already asked my mother to take custody of her youngest daughters, if she has to return to her country.

not_today 04-17-2013 03:23 PM
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Definition of institution of higher education for purposes of student assistance programs
Read it.

dude33 04-17-2013 03:24 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dreamofgold (Post 461757)
For people who have read the entire bill:

What happens to the people who have been waiting for like 15 years under a family sponsorship? Do they get to adjust their status immediately to Permanent Residency?

And if that sponsored individual is married with children, does the spouse as well as the children adjust their status?
From what i read i believe if you have been waiting at least 5 years you can adjust from October 1st 2014 if you have an employment or family petition pending
I'm reading again when i find the exact wording i will post it


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