H.R. 1868, the Birthright Citizenship Act of 2009
 

the Birthright Citizenship Act of 2009 would end the process of granting automatic birthright citizenship to the babies born in the United States to illegal aliens.

DETAILS: Referred to as "anchor babies," these children born in the United States are one of the most prominent factors of excessive population expansion and illegal immigration. In its Spring 2005 edition, the Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons reported that "between 300,000 and 350,000 anchor babies annually become citizens… " These staggering figures tell only part of the story. Birthright citizenship incentivices illegal immigration by making anchor babies eligible to sponsor their illegal alien mothers and other relatives once they turn 21. In addition, at present, there is no formal policy that forbids DHS from deporting the illegal alien parents of a child born in the U.S. Yet in most cases, immigration officials habitually choose not to initiate removal proceedings, allowing the parents to remain in the U.S. illegally. Perhaps most starkly, anchor babies additionally draw benefits and services from taxpayer dollars. As the Journal article notes, "Anchor babies are citizens, and instantly qualify for public welfare aid… Not only can the baby serve as an "anchor" to pull a large number of extended family members into the country, but they also can rely on the public services and benefits of the United States.

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this is a very interesting article. and please don't bash anyone, argue respectfully. IF this Birthright Citizenship Act passes, and CIR fails, these "anchor" babies will be the new Dream Act student generation. Here's the deal. I feel soo much sympathy for these little kids who did nothing wrong and go to school just like their peers. the statistics didn't come from NumbersUSA or Alicrap; they came from a legitimate independent source. 300,000+ kids born in the U.S. every year from illegal parents; its over the top.

I hope this act passes, and i hope CIR passes at the same time, i hope the border is enforced; otherwise this illegal immigration problem will never stop. Not to be an ass, but I've been to hospitals, and they are filled with these kids. let's not deny the fact that all those hospital visits aren't paid by the parent. Also, I would have to agree with the fact that, yes these kids will bring their parents here once they are older. some of us tend to abuse the system and bring in brother, sisters, parents, etc. An European friend of mine brought hes parents, then hes parents brought the other kids, then the kids brought the wives, then the wives brought the siblings, then the siblings brought THEIR wives.. and it goes around in circles. lets be realistic here and cut the bs. the way i see it, they will cut legal immigration completely; the way this shyt is going.

people really do abuse the system. It should be about contributing in this society; not abusing it for its generous welfare system. if i bring my grandparents here, wat are they going to do?.. they are just gonna head straight to the doctor.

other than your spouse and underage child, and your work-able parent; no-one else should be allowed to sponsor anyone. if all these legal residents didn't exhaust the system this much, we wouldn't have so much trouble with DA or CIR. they used to beg people to immigrate here after WW2 b/c they needed people. now they don't want anyone b/c we don't know how to act. its I love you USA when your not inside the door, but once you head in; its give me ur goodies USA.

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you are so wrong!!!!

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explain to me why you think im wrong.

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That's unbelievably unconstitutional.

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This will NEVER pass.

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they will have to amend the constitution something that hasn't been done in years...ohh wait never mind the patriot act passed but really i don't think this bill will make it out of committee

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Alex, you are being very naive and misinformed.

Every year, around 4,500,000 babies are born in USA. Then if you do your math, you will realize that anchor babies are only around 1/15 of the babies born in USA.

So do you realize why this is just a racist piece of legislation?

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Right, with Republicans having control of 40 seats in the Senate and 178 seats in the House I bet this bill will be enacted in a week.

What makes you think that you’re any better than they are? And how convenient of you to draw the line of who gets to stay right after you get legalized. If you think that the illegal immigration problem is out of control then why don’t you put your money where your mouth is, and get the hell out?

How patriotic of you to be concerned about the unnecessary financial burden these people represent by way of the social welfare program. Except you forgot to talk about the other two components of the welfare state: gilded welfare and corporate welfare.

Gilded welfare redistributes the scant wealth of the poor to the middle and upper class. I’m talking about Social Security, federal income tax deductions for home ownership, local property tax breaks, Medicare, and home business tax deductions among others. All this typically amounts to ten times what social welfare does. In other words, the government allocates about $120 billion dollars to the poor, and more than a trillion dollars to the wealthy.

And let’s not even get started on corporate welfare. The subsidizing, rescuing and “socializing” - as the wingnuts put it - of corporations is already at the $2 trillion mark, and still counting.

If you’re not going to point fingers at EVERYONE who benefits from welfare then please save your pseudo New Federalism bull for Michelle Malkin.

Are you kidding me? Do you seriously think that it’s that easy to bring your whole damn family on one person’s green card? And do you also believe that all immigrants do is take up all the "goodies"? I honestly couldn’t tell your statements apart from Alipac’s talking points. I could go on a personal diatribe about how ridiculous you sound, but frankly your whole post is just sad.

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This bill is uncostitutional according to the 14th ammendment it will never pass

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ummm ok, lets clear some things here.

What makes you think that you’re any better than they are? And how convenient of you to draw the line of who gets to stay right after you get legalized. If you think that the illegal immigration problem is out of control then why don’t you put your money where your mouth is, and get the hell out?
ok buddy, i don't think im any better than anyone, my business is my own... have you herd of something called "Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986"? its provisions included securing the border and e-verify enforcement; legalizing 3 million people. this wouldn't be as hard and at this scale if the border was enforced from before. neither any of us would be in this mess. oh and no, um everyone gets legalized if CIR passes. more options would be made possible for people from Latin America to come here legally. Do you even care about those people that die in the desert, do you care about that child that's get split up from their family?... well, i do. Illegal immigration IS out of control, that is why they are trying to fix it. do you have any idea how many people are waiting to come here legally?, do you care about them? do you know what the backlog is?... are you going to bring back the people who already got deported?..

can you tell me why is it that WE can get deported and someone else cant?.. because the way I see it; is that were fighting for this law to change so it gives us a chance. that is why people get arrested when they go near the White House.

these kids that are born here, have the right to stay here. but umm, what happens to that child when its parents are deported? are you gonna take care of it?.. that is why is best for people not to get into this mess in the first place. that is why Obama is trying to secure the border so this doesn't become a routine. giving more options to other people who want to immigrate here legally. no one should live looking over their shoulder. no1 should live in fear. that's why CIR is needed; because it covers many problems that occur due to illegal immigration.

and yes, you can bring many family members here from one person's U.S citizenship; it takes some time, but in the end it happens. its called chained migration. when you immigrate here legally, you don't have that "living in fear" mentality. therefor some will take for granted what others try so hard to get. the U.S passport itself is a gift that anyone would want. i know 5 people personally that just married for papers, got their U.S citizenship and went bye bye. do you how hard it is to reunite a family after deportation?... their loved ones get sent back and cannot come due to the 10 year ban. tell me, is that fair?

don't run with scissors.
i wont benefit from either DA/CIR, because i know that I don't have any time. but yet i go to all marches and call all senators, for who? not for me. that train has already left.

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Anyone ever tell you you have one of those annoying know it all attitudes Alex? Subliminal message ftw.

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not really, that's someone who only listens to their side. I like to listen to both sides of the argument and find common ground. that's what Obama is trying to do. the guy is smart, he doesn't want to do something unless he knows he will be successful. cause you know; allot of people's lives are at steak.

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this bill will never pass because it violates the constitution. lol. however, i do believe that america needs to secure the border and stop these reckless immigrants from crossing the border illegally. plain and simple. this nation sent human beings to the moon FORTY years ago and you're telling me you cant secure a thousand mile border? plz. illegal immigration needs to stop. plain and simple. legislations such as these are unfortunate byproducts of this serious problem and some of them can be downright mean and racist.

we need to secure the borders and criminalize any new illegal immigrants coming in by slapping them with a felony because what they are doing is violating the sovereignty of a nation. but we do need to take care of people who are already here making a living, especially people like us who grew up here.

listen, as much as i hate NUMBERSUSA, ALIPAC, BIGOTED PEOPLE, i do agree that we need to stop this ridiculous exodus of illegal immigrants coming in without inspection. that, by definition, is an invasion of sort.

secure the border, pass the dream act, then agjobs, then eventual legalization of 12 million people. step by step. lets be reasonable.

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I feel so embarrassed for us right now.

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I hope everything works out for you. Never give up and best of luck to you.

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Seriously.

DAP would greatly benefit from some kind of idiot-blocking device, but alas, none exist.

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Me too. There are just no words.

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Alex, you are not Obama. You are not in the position to negotiate a common ground between Durbin and Vitter or NumbersUSA and the Immigration Forum. Heck, you are not even mediating among the members of DAP. You say you are a realist, so get a reality check.

Bruinman, you made a point. How come the most powerful country in the nation has a steady influx of undocumented workers? How come the most important card that holds the most important number of is the crapiest made in the world. Even a 10 year old can make a fake SS card.

Well, it is because the USA wants its cake and eat it too. As long as it is not willing to implement a safe and sound way to keep the influx of immigrants that it needs, we are going to have illegal aliens, dreamers and citizens being born out of undocumented workers. Of course, that will offend the irrational vote which is small but vocal. The only solution to keep businesses and nativist happy is by having illegal aliens. We, dreamers, are just a negative/positive externality, it depends on the light you see it.

What surprises me is that this thread has not been lock already. It sounds racist, demeaning and plain poorly written by the first post. How come no one saw it coming that this was going to be yet another pointless argument that was going to show the worst of this community.

Write the posts in a way that does not make you look like a nativist jerk. Don't agree in public with the nativist because you lose credibility, not gain respect. Do it or God help me, I'll twist Nick's arm until he makes me a mod and I'll rule DAP with an iron fist! 'cause you guys don't need a cool friend like Nick, you need a jerk like Dick Cheney to force you into shape.

God I am so piss off! I feel like a damn Republican.

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Way to take a tangent on my response.

How you infer that I’m oblivious to people dying in the desert, or families getting split up, is beyond me. Or how apparently it’s also clear I don’t know about the ’86 Immigration Reform or about - what was that? Backlogs? Are they one of the infamous 7 amnesties?

And while your spiel was a roller coaster of emotional possible outcomes and a little bit of comedy, this is what brought it together for me:

O.O

But in any case, I don’t see the point in making you look like a fool; lest someone reading this might assume we all think alike.

Though my arguments still stand: Don’t generalize all immigrants as greedy. Don’t talk extemporaneously about social services if you don’t know the first thing about them. Don’t downplay the countless obstacles that immigrants have to go through in order to bring a relative into the USA. And don’t assume that since a guy you know did it, everyone else will.

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well the fact remains america wants to see the border secured because it is a matter of national security. nobody wants to see more illegal aliens crossing the border. they need to secure the border first and make sure that when and if another amnesty is even passed, same thing wont happen as it did back in '86. they also got to get rid of the number one thing that attracts illegal immigration: jobs/employers who exploit these workers for below minimum wage.

get those 2 down, then we can talk about legalizing 12 million people in a gradual manner. just as they cant deport all 12 million people, they cant legalize 12 million people all at once.

which is exactly why DA needs to come up first along with maybe agjobs.

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Why This Is Never Going To Pass?

In Every County In This World Today, Baby Gets Citizenship If He / She Happens To Have Born Here!

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Actually your wrong, In Europe where I am from. The majority of countries in Western Europe grant birthright Citizenship. You are required to live in the country for 10 years until you are granted citizenship (To children born to non-citizen parents).

Now that being said, this bill will not pass the legislative branch. Why? Because of the U.S. Constitution, Obviously alot of the things in the U.S Constitution is outadated (However I dont think this amendment is), Americans have a very hard time disagreeing and even reapealing anything in the document, because "its our God Given right".

And From what I remember from my Government Courses. This bill will have to go throught the Legislature of all 50 states and 2/3 of the states must agree to this bill to repeal the 14th Amendment of the Constitution.

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This thread is just too wrong on too many levels and its going to end up in the gutter, where it belongs, anyway.

Locked.