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I am not any expert on anything. I just want to tell you guys what I think about DA, CIR and Congress (of course, Obama too).

First of all, DA, which stands for DREAM Act is an act targets on only the educated young adults and students. It has been re-introduced to the Congress this March, 2009 to both houses of Congress.
Yet, the review hasn't really gone too far. In fact, nothing has done to this 2009 version yet.

CIR which stands for Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act, targets on the undocumented immigrations those aren't cover by the DA. As far as we know at this point (May 16, 2009), no one has yet re-introduced CIR 2009 to the Congress.

DA used to be part of the CIR. But this year, the 2009 DA is a stand-alone bill.

Many of you have complained the Congress and doubted Obama's effort on DA and CIR issue. Obama from his last media conference said :
Why Should we give the time for health reform before DA and CIR?
I am going to tell you this politic STRATEGY !

[1] Although Obama wins with a majority of immigration community, many of his supporters chose him for other reasons, such as his health care reform.
[2] Health Care Reform is one of his biggest promises.
Economy > Health > Immigration > Energy > Others
[3] There is nothing ILLEGAL about Health Care Reform, unless the Supreme Court says NO. Since so many people are supporting it, hoping it happens ASSP, if they see DA / CIR comes before HCR, they will angry at Obama and us. They wouldn't like it. "Why should we, the legal residents have to wait for these illegal to get the benefits before us?"
[4] Obama can clear another promise before focusing on his promise to the immigration.
[5] Health Care Reform may be applicable to us, the future DA / CIR, the future legal residents (of course, depends on the program too).
[6] Once it is pass, more people are likely to support DA and CIR. Not all Obama supporters like DA / CIR. If we make them happy, they don't complain about our CIR / DA.
[7] At the moment the HCR is passing, Obama will turn his head on the border security as he said in the conference. He is convincing the public, the left, right and the liberals, "I am going to make sure we keep it tight so we can resolve our illegal issue without worrying any future problems. Deportation is unrealistic with such number."
[8] In the end, even the Republicans have to agree on this DA and CIR programs because they do know, only one solution is possible - that's CIR and DA.


What can we do?

Stop complaining about Obama and people not trying to pass this CIR / DA. I don't really know the deal with CIR. I can't tell you guys what is going on. But I am sure, I am 101% sure DA will happen before CIR because 1) has been re-introduced, 2) targets only on the educated young people, 3) a message to convince the community Obama and the White House Administration (WHA) is doing their promises, 4) it's more popular in the Republican' point of views, more than CIR.

We cannot harass them everyday and say, GO GO GO. We surely must remind them but we can't complain about it. Be reasonable. What can we do really? All we can do is come to this forum, help each other out, the companionship, spread the good words around, via Facebook, Twitter, school, community service. We must remain calm and thankful that we finally see a light ahead of us. It may not happen this year, maybe early 2010, Nobody knows. If they are done Health Care, we can send our message again on pushing DA.

We have to give our biggest support to everything. Please stop all these complains and questions about why and why not. It's pointless to discuss why can't they push it more. They have a list of things to do. They didn't choose which one to go first. I think they are doing it in the order of the date it gets on the desk.

I hope our DA can be vote on the floor by Fall 2009, not 2010. I want CIR by Mid 2010, not Fall 2010 because election is coming up.

I want CIR for my family and I need DA for myself. I don't mean to tell anybody to shut up, but we have our lives here, we all know the deal. If we continue to harass each other via pointless discussion, it will only hurts ourselves, losing supporters, make excuses for the opponents.


Give the time, but there is a limit to our tolerance. We have to give just a little more time to see what the deal is from the White House and Congress.
We have to convince more Congressmen and Representatives to support us.

Pray to our God. Work hard in school and work. Be happy, live happy.
Some of you have to calm down. Nothing is guarantee. I don't care if you say "I can't wait, I have to get it by the end of 2009". There are millions of people waiting for this DA and CIR programs. It isn't just you, be reasonable.



What if neither one happens this year?

If it doesn't happen, I will be really upset. But then I think I will get better and think more positive. At that point, there will be everybody convincing, lobbing the politicans to pass it. Obama is a smart man, he knows the deal. Democratics know the deal very well. They will pass it in 2010. Millions of people know the deal. They are waiting. There are young people waiting for many years than you and I. Think more positive. There are people suffering everyday in their home-country. Not getting a legal resident, soon or later, is not really a big deal. At least we can still live here, with friends, getting marry, live under a roof, safe and we can eat plenty of foods and wearing enough clothing. There are people suffering everyday from diseases, war and hunger. Don't give up if it does happen. Think more positive.

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is there a HCR bill out, so i can check the status and progression of the bill?

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What is HCR? Sorry.
As far as the DA, here is the track
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-1751

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Hahaha sorry, I used that HCR in my own post. Hhahahaa
There is not one "single HRC" bill
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billsearch.xpd
There are some major one, some minor one.

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Pelosi promised universal health care to pass before August.

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That would be a great news. What about energy. I heard people talked about energy recently. Are they trying to spend more time on it?

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Yeah, I think its pretty obvious that we need to wait for Health Care reform (to hopefully pass) before congress and the administration to tackle CIR. And they may even tackle another major issue before then such as Energy, Education and hopefully nothing pops its ugly head such as terrorism.

Thier is a slim chance that DA could be put on the floor and hopefully passed because it is not as a divisive issue as CIR and (i doubt) Health care.

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you are asking alot for congress to do all that in the next couple months, let alone have time to hash out CIR and have a debate on it and pass it. theres no time for CIR this year, and next year they wont even touch it other than continuing what they are doing this year because of elections, which is talk and announcing they are holding continuous "meetings". soonest they can get to it on the floor would be 2011. and i dont know about you, but i cant wait that long. ugh. that would be insane. DREAM ACT HAS TO COME UP AS A STAND ALONE THIS YEAR.

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This is why I believe, they will definitely pass DA before CIR for all those reasons I have mentioned.
When the worst comes, we just have to deal with it.
:( now :)

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nice post pygmalion
thanks for your political insight ;D

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Excellent post sir. I agree and disagree in part. I believe that all should continue living lives as happy and purposeful as we can because we have no other option. Even though other priorities are on the table- Healthcare, energy and education a stand alone bill such as DA should not be too hard a sell for a democratic president and congress.

We are cutting the dems too much slack. The way politics work and I am a political junkie is short term. Once you start thinking down the line you do not know what is going to happen. You have to get things done when the climate is best.

The DA should be attached to a spending bill seperate from CIR which is more complex and can wait till later this year or next year. The DA speaks for itself and if we continue to give ground on the fierce urgency of now then we will be taken for granted.

If the DA was attached to a spending bill, I do not think the opposition would be will to stop the bill because of the DA because most of them agree with the DA in principle. Let the big political fight be about amnesty or CIR or whatever they want to call it not DA.

Strategically the DA should be treated differently and make no mistake about it, I am just being politically tactical. In essence, dreamers are no better than other undocumented folks but I take it as half bread now is better than none now with promise of all in the future.

Hence put pressure on senators and reps and I will dare say discuss with durbin about doing what he did in 2007 by attaching DA to a military bill. It is urgent and let us not give any signal that we are ready to settle for next year. NOW NOW NOW for DA we can be more deliberate and have debates about CIR both not DA.

Opposition to DA is mostly strategic in that they do not want any momentum to begin on this front. My one concern is that Obama will pick Santomayor as supreme court judge and punt this issue for later. Let us not make him get away with that.

With all the controversy of Notre Dame address, did anyone let him know that some graduates this year need DA to pass this year to have a chance to contribute to the future of this country.

Maybe someone in Arizona State or Notre Dame could have made some noise about DA.

My two cents- you are free to disagree.

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what is up with this Sotomayor being a Latina and ohh nice. yea; it shows how diverse this nation is becoming; also at the highest government positions. But I don't understand how choosing a Latina will make the Hispanic community go nuts. shes a judge, shes gonna side with the law, shes gonna be fair.

another thing is, shes Puerto Rican. I don't think there's many Puerto Rican undocumented people; correct me if im wrong. But there's a big difference between A Mexican or Guatemalan;to a Cuban and Puerto Rican. yes they are all Latino, but they each have their own nations, their own unique cultures.

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you have couple points i agree with there. obama's recent actions definitely seem like he is trying to punt the issue of CIR to later time: he is focusing on securing the border for now; he specifically says he doesnt think there are enough votes for CIR at present time (which i hope isnt the same case for DA); his meetings regarding immigration seem nothing but publicity stunts to appease lobbyists short term. to be fair, he's got a lot in his plate. i just dont see obama going full frontal on immigration ahead of the economy, healthcare, energy, and education.

its almost june lol. CIR isnt gonna happen in the next 3 months with all thats happening right now in washington. this is where i hope durbin comes in. hopefully he pushes DREAM for floor time as a standalone ala 2007 to serve as a downpayment to appease the Piolin audience while punting thorny CIR to later time when its more palatable. its better to take small steps then try to shove down a whole enchilada down people's throat. DREAM, which focuses on arguably the most sympathetic group of undocumented population, can serve as sort of a litmus test for CIR. if it fails, then what does that tell you about the prospects of CIR? no DREAM, no CIR.

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When did he say that ?

Of course i agree with you about probably not having the vote right now for CIR. But i personally implied it from his speeches. I don't recall him actually stating that he does not have enough votes.

Can you tell us when/where he said that he doesn't have the vote? I am really curious right now :D.

Well said, sir
 

I agree with your message.
Stop worrying. Sure, it will be great if Dream Act passes, but go out there and try to make life happen for yourself regardless! Don't worry, don't hope, take responsibility and take control of your mind and make something happen. I understand it's tough with the limited resources that you have but be positive, life is not over. You are better off than about 80% other people in the world... You have a roof over your head, some education, and you speak english... That's quite a lot... And listen, if not US, try to go and explore!! Look out for yourself!

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It's true, don't just sit around waiting to make decisions until Dream passes. Start your life, if Dream passes, great, if not, have a back-up plan. Us Dreamers should know better than to rely on others for sympathy. I know for many Dream is their only hope but we don't know if/when it'll happen, and there's only so much we can do.

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http://www.laprensa-sandiego.org/cur...egy.090515.htm

When Piolin asked Obama if he had the votes in Congress on immigration reform, the president was candid.


“Probably not yet,” he said

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i hate to be the devil's advocate, but CIR has no chance of getting enough floor time and pass this year. its just bad timing. i hope to god they at least start the discussion by bringing up DREAM as a standalone this year. if not, we wont see any legalization bill till at least 2011.

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I think CIR's chances are slim, but I don't think there's no chance. It could happen, although the odds are against us.

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cir will not happen im sorry not many people care, not enough to make a difference anyways

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Please be wise before you even express your feeling on CIR.
CIR is very important to the politicians, first of all.
After passing the DA, they still have to deal with it.
They know they must either let them stay here legally, secure the country, or deport every undocumented who aren't cover under the DREAM Act.

Who said no bother cares? It's just YOU do not care about this.
It makes a big difference. While you, if you are a DREAMER, you know you want to get your parents, your family get the legal residency.

You know by legalizing these undocumented adults they will provide a lot to the economy and government treasury.

Think before you even express your wrong feeling.
It's the CIR that people have pushed for so many years, DA was only appeared in 2001. CIR or a reform that will allow almost every undocumented person a chance to work legally, this has been around for many years.

And to the YES, I believe CIR will happen, it's just the TIME: WHEN?

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uh, no, DA has been introduced many times since 2001.

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That's what I said.
IN 2001

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no, thats not what you said. how did you get into columbia with your english? im not attacking, im being serious.

"DA was only appeared in 2001."

this is what you said. first, the grammar is wrong. 2nd, that sentence implies that you mean DA only appeared once in 2001.

seriously. i really want to know how you got in when your english isnt fluent.

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sexual favors i suppose... j/k

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Dude, I wrote so much. I was like RT%^ERGDFGRE^$%^%$ at that moment. I don't really spend time checking things out?

Like the title, a message to end worrying. That's wrong too. I edited it to "worry" but this god-damn system do not take the latest editing. It remains as it is - worrying.

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well maybe you should check what you write because every single post you ever wrote doesnt make sense to some degree, whether its simple grammar, misusage of words, etc etc. you know they "check" those things at columbia.
seriously, im done with this troll.

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I still doubt you're a Dreamer, and that you got into Columbia or any private college that required an admissions essay, but if you insist...

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Thanks for the nice words. Actually I'm glad that this has happened to me. If I came to the US legally, I'd probably spend my high school years working as a bagger at some grocery store.

Being an illegal made me look at the big picture. Now I have a totally different mindset and I want to become very rich which I'm currently already working on towards its achievement. When they pass it, I'm am so ready to take off!!