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Don't be pessimistic. I'm posting this because I just found this.
This article is also a mere speculation.

Just know that we need to press the Senate Democratic leadership more.
So, don't be pessimistic or optimistic.

We'll not know what will happen probably until late February. But, to maximize our chance, Senator Schumer should introduce his bill as soon as possible. So, keep contacting (e-mailing, mailing, faxing, calling, etc.) the key Senators (Senator Reid, Senator Durbin, and Senator Schumer).

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I don't trust this source. I do believe immigration reform will happen in early 2010 and no later than 2011.

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I don't like how this guy "cites" words instead of sentences. But what he is basically saying is nothing we haven't already speculated. The government is known to bullshit its way around the bush for years before it takes any action, if any at all.

I for one believe, and hope they will start the "big debate" early 2010.. bills don't just go into congress and then are voted on the next day. Even if the debate starts on January 1st the law itself wont be law until near the end of the year.

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There are so many rumors. One of the reasons is the fear of election year. I think we expect Schumber submits his proposal by Feb 2010 to the Senate. I do expect some debates. Remember, this election year is not just party vs party election. There is an internal war among candidates within the same parties. Those Democratic, if they want to get support from pro-immigration reformers, especially from the Latino community, they better do the expectations. Otherwise, other potential democratic candidates in their districts will come out and take their seat over.

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The goal is to get the HCR to Obama before Jan 20th which I think can happen.

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Unfortunately, it can't happen. There simply isn't enough time for that to happen. As you know, the Congress is not in session for many days every year.
The House will return to session on January 12th, but the Senate will return to session on January 19th. Even though the Democratic leaders are planning to have meetings during their break (beginning next week), they still need some time after their official session dates. Moreover, an estimate for the cost of the final health care reform bill from the Congressional Budget Office is expected to take about 10 days or more. So, even if the Senate leaders go back to the Congress before their official session date begins, it's impossible for them to send the final bill to President Obama by January 20th.

The Senate is expected to work on a jobs bill and pass it in order for President Obama to use it during his State of Union speech.

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This is a lie. Senate returns in session January 5.

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lie? No. You are lying.
Even if I had been wrong , you should have said, "This is not correct." It sounds like I intentionally lied. And, I wasn't lying.

The date you mentioned is the date for a pro forma session. A pro forma session is different from an official session in which the Senators do their legislative business.

Even if the Senate leaders and House leaders meet before their official session dates and make an agreement, an estimate for the cost of the final bill from the Congressional Budget Office will require at least 10 days or more as I metioned above. It's impossible for the Congress to send the final bill to President Obama by January 20th. They might be able to send it to him by late January, but January 20th is not the date.

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Frankly, I do not expect any action for CIR till after 2010 mid-term elections. However I remain hopeful that the DREAM Act might still have a chance.

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Haven't you heard that they wont consider dream alone. Its CIR or nothing

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Yes I have heard. I should've been more precise and states that we may get some bills that would include the: DREAM Act, Ag Jobs, and UAFA. Keep in mind democratic leadership will not likely to vote on any competing bills after mid-term election. After all it is merely a "hope" that a smaller bill such as above will have a chance of passing.

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Actually, I believe there is a bigger chance of us getting the DREAM act alone than a CIR bill passing.

Here is what I unfortunately predict: CIR hits the debate floor of the congress, then it is blown out of proportion in the media(fox news/cnn), then it is denied by the senate, then dropped by the government for being too hot of a subject..... then after immigration advocates complain about the events, the DREAM act will be pushed and passed to shut us up and give immigrants something to be happy about.

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We shall see but lets hope for the best

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Of course, the DREAM Act has a greater chance of passing the Congress than a whole comprehensive immigration reform bill. We never know what will happen to it or what the Democratic leadership in the Senate will do if it fails. The DREAM Act might be considered again or might not be considered until the upcoming election is over. But, one thing is clear. The DREAM Act will not appear as a stand-alone until the immigration reform bill fails. Our best hope is seeing the immigration reform bill passing the Congress. If not, our next alternative will be, of course, seeing the DREAM Act being re-introduced.

We will see how the Democratic leadership in the Senate will deal with immigration.
Senator Reid promised Representative Gutierrez that the immigration bill currently drafted by Senators Schumer and Graham would have its own time on the Senate floor. He might put more effort to "collect" votes than he did back in 2007 because he has a greater responsibility as the majority leader with a Democratic president at the White House. He wants to suceed in passing as many items in their agenda as possible. Also, he is in a tough position for a re-election in Nevada where the Latino community makes up about 25% of the whole population.

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All right. Let's stop this debate. I don't see any reason why we should argue among ourselves.

First of all, we are relying on these politicians. So they have the power to do whatever they feel like to do ( at the moment, of course)

Secondly, they have other agendas, therefore, they have to speed up with HCR and CIR. They probably wouldn't start it until middle or early March, that we have heard many times from the leaders.

Third, as the House leader said earlier, Senate must act first, otherwise the House will not start CIR. This is a frustration, yet, I believe Schumber is doing a great job at the moment, drafting a Senate verison.

Fourth, arguing does no good and has no effect on CIR whatsoever. We should focus on our works, studies and lives, while visiting this forum and be patient.

Most of us, if not, all of us have been waiting for years. Let's stop this debate. We have something else to focus and move on with.


Last, but not the least, if CIR fails, they will not come back until 2011 or 2012. However, we do have a DREAM ACT standlone bill sitting in the House since March 2009.

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I don't see it as an argument, I see it as a discussion, after all that's what forums are for.

I do agree with you however, that we should be more optimistic than pessimistic, because I don't think pessimism has ever helped anything. And it sure as hell ain't gonna help us now.

We all have reasons to doubt the gov. and we all have our predictions. And yea the CIR will probably fail because the conservative media people are dicks. But all we can do is advocate the DREAM act and tell our friends, our families, our friends of friends and their families about it. Because after all that is what we are fighting for, not CIR.

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Hey im new to this website, and i would love for some one to clarrify how to e-mail, yet alone, call our representatives by phone to show our support for the Dream Act.

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Go to house.gov or senate.gov and find your local representatives information. For example if your from Nevada find the House Reps' or Senators' website and their office information should be posted there. Then just send them an email telling them you support the DREAM act and why you support it. Give em some juicy info or some personal experiences(but I don't recommend giving any personal information such as addresses and etc.) . Or just call in to their office and leave them a message.