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JyArete 01-09-2010 12:50 AM

Mexico Says Immigration Reform Unlikely in 2010
 
This is not looking good...

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Mexico Says Immigration Reform Unlikely in 2010

MEXICO CITY (AP) -- Mexico's ambassador to the United States said Friday he expects immigration reform is unlikely to pass in that country in 2010 because of unemployment and midterm elections.

In an unusually frank assessment, Ambassador Arturo Sarukhan said Mexico will continue its quiet, ''under the radar'' lobbying for a reform that would benefit the estimated 11.8 million Mexicans living in the United States. A large percentage are undocumented.

''It's not that it is unachievable. It is possible, but it will be difficult,'' he told a news conference. ''And this year, especially, the conditions ... will be particularly difficult.''

''If the (U.S.) economy grows, but there continues to be the unemployment and the job losses that occurred in the United States in 2009, it is politically impossible for the Republicans or the Democrats, as much as they might be interested ... to put an integrated immigration reform on the table,'' Sarukhan said.

Sarukhan also said past pronouncements on the issue by Mexico may have done more harm than good.

''Having spoken about it publicly at times in the past ... has done a great deal of damage to our countrymen and our allies in the United States,'' he said.

Sarukhan said a general amnesty that would automatically legalize undocumented migrants ''cannot be the solution,'' because ''the radical conservative wing in the United States would immediately mobilize to torpedo it.''

He said a more realistic goal is a program of temporary work visas and a ''regularization process'' -- presumably, what has been called ''earned legalization'' involving fines or other qualifying factors.

Sarukhan said chances for reform may depend on how much political capital the administration of President Barack Obama has left after the divisive debate over health care.

Daniel Hernandez Joseph, director of overseas citizen protection services for Mexico's Foreign Relations Department, told reporters that anti-immigration rhetoric ''has permeated in (U.S.) society'' and that anti-immigration groups in the United States currently ''feel empowered.''

Hernandez Joseph also said preliminary estimates indicate that 396 people assumed to be Mexican citizens died trying to cross into the United States last year, up from 340 in 2008.
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2010...Migration.html

thebeast 01-09-2010 01:04 AM

Re: Mexico Says Immigration Reform Unlikely in 2010
 
WTF ..pathetic....just wrong...

ecs1792 01-09-2010 01:15 AM

Re: Mexico Says Immigration Reform Unlikely in 2010
 
It is really sad to know that is going to be tough to a legalization this year, but what is more depressing is the fact that anti-immigration groups feel empowered. This country's economy is build upon immigrants and they should face that reality.

txdream 01-09-2010 01:37 AM

Re: Mexico Says Immigration Reform Unlikely in 2010
 
Its stuff like this I wanted to hear. Thanks a lot I'm going to bed angry... :[

ecs1792 01-09-2010 01:41 AM

Re: Mexico Says Immigration Reform Unlikely in 2010
 
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Originally Posted by txdream (Post 148485)
Its stuff like this I wanted to hear. Thanks a lot I'm going to bed angry... :[

i know right?
they should be the ones supporting it

txdream 01-09-2010 01:44 AM

Re: Mexico Says Immigration Reform Unlikely in 2010
 
Over all when its the ambassador of your own native country :p
Jeez maybe they want their Mexicans back since they are all leaving.

ecs1792 01-09-2010 02:07 AM

Re: Mexico Says Immigration Reform Unlikely in 2010
 
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Originally Posted by txdream (Post 148488)
Over all when its the ambassador of your own native country :p
Jeez maybe they want their Mexicans back since they are all leaving.

hahaha i know right especially when there are 11 million outside the country that is a lot

unthinkable 01-09-2010 04:11 AM

Re: Mexico Says Immigration Reform Unlikely in 2010
 
Fak this

freshh. 01-09-2010 09:34 AM

Re: Mexico Says Immigration Reform Unlikely in 2010
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by txdream (Post 148488)
Over all when its the ambassador of your own native country :p
Jeez maybe they want their Mexicans back since they are all leaving.

:lol:

He's just telling us what we already know. A comprehensive deal is unlikely to pass unless there are adequate signs of economic recovery.

questionsihave 01-09-2010 08:46 PM

Re: Mexico Says Immigration Reform Unlikely in 2010
 
I think there is a consensus that somethings needs to be done in regards to the issue. The main question is how does one do it.

I just can't imagine that democrats wouldn't try something especially with their large majority. I mean it isn't going to get any easier to tackle immigration reform down the road especially when you it is projected that your going to lose a few senate seats.

I still predict that democrats are going to try pass something immigration. But as with a lot of their other bills, it will get watered down.

That is why I think a smaller bill similar to this

He said a more realistic goal is a program of temporary work visas and a ''regularization process'' -- presumably, what has been called ''earned legalization'' involving fines or other qualifying factors.

with added enforcement would be a better pill to swallow.

dreamactcris 01-09-2010 08:47 PM

Re: Mexico Says Immigration Reform Unlikely in 2010
 
the economy can benefit from giving documents to undocumented people. New businesses and tax revenue can be generated a lot of it!!

mnrunner 01-09-2010 10:06 PM

Re: Mexico Says Immigration Reform Unlikely in 2010
 
Reading articles like these is so depressing! Especially when Mexico doesn't think it's possible. I've been watching these forums since early summer of '09 and I feel like it's getting on the political game again.

I think we need to bump up our efforts, ignore these articles, and have everyone get involved, perhaps have everyone make at least one phone call to Congress a week.

I just can't see others and myself sitting around for things to change if we can't even do our part.

txdream 01-09-2010 10:46 PM

Re: Mexico Says Immigration Reform Unlikely in 2010
 
Maybe we can get this going maybe we are doing this wrong. Perhaps rethink our strategy? If you want to legalize we got to organize and plan something big that will open eyes. I am willing to ride to DC this summer with supporters if you guys are. I don't know but if you guys are serious about making a change pm me I'll give you my e-mail so we can plan something.

day_dreamin' 01-10-2010 05:16 AM

Re: Mexico Says Immigration Reform Unlikely in 2010
 
^He/she's right we really need to organize. If CIR is nowhere near to be passed we need at least DREAM to pass! I mean after all Obama acknowledged that it is necessary and he would get to it in his first year of office!
btw I did watch this on galavision news from Mexico and well they pretty much said it was very hard for any time of immigration reform to pass due to the economy and the lack of support. As depressing as it may sound, its something we already know.

dreamberry 01-10-2010 06:27 AM

Re: Mexico Says Immigration Reform Unlikely in 2010
 
They are telling us what we already know but with no lies. Pretty nice, except it's not what we expect to hear.

This dude should have manned up and should have told Congressmen to take the political risk and do something.

luvsherry 01-10-2010 02:09 PM

Re: Mexico Says Immigration Reform Unlikely in 2010
 
what else do we need to do for dream act to pass? what else are we supposed to do besides calling senators, meeting with them and writing to the white house? let's not lose faith!!

dreamy14 01-10-2010 05:01 PM

Re: Mexico Says Immigration Reform Unlikely in 2010
 
the thing is, you don't really know what to listen to these days. Some are saying that CIR will be hard to pass due to the bad economy, but other studies show that passing CIR will benefit the economy and make it better. Geez....all these talk. It's just there to drive us crazy

Mona Lisa 01-10-2010 05:56 PM

Re: Mexico Says Immigration Reform Unlikely in 2010
 
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Originally Posted by luvsherry (Post 148566)
what else do we need to do for dream act to pass? what else are we supposed to do besides calling senators, meeting with them and writing to the white house? let's not lose faith!!

If 4 dreamers walking 2000 miles from Florida to DC doesn't get their attention then I don't know what will.

Feenmi 01-10-2010 09:41 PM

Re: Mexico Says Immigration Reform Unlikely in 2010
 
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Originally Posted by Mona Lisa (Post 148577)
If 4 dreamers walking 2000 miles from Florida to DC doesn't get their attention then I don't know what will.

5 Dreamers? :lol:

txdream 01-10-2010 11:07 PM

Re: Mexico Says Immigration Reform Unlikely in 2010
 
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Originally Posted by Feenmi (Post 148585)
5 Dreamers? :lol:

10,000 strong at the gates of the white house.

You guys lets think please.

Did Mather Luther King Jr. give up when he got locked up? Nay, he wrote a powerful letter the the clergymen of the south. After he got out he marched to D.C. Did it work? Look at the country now. We need to march to D.C, not us alone but us and supporters if can't march then we need to make our voice heard. We should (as many as can) rally in D.C

Instead of sitting here waiting for those 4 dreamer's to make a change we should get up and do something, obviously faxing, e-mails, and telephone calls wont do the trick. SO lets take it up another step and get this done once and for all! I'm tired and I'm pretty sure you are all too! This year CIR will happen I don't care if I reveal to the world about my status but I'm going to do everything I can to make sure this year it happens. You guys tell your friends, teachers, and family try to protest in your nearest major city plan with other dreamers. United we stand and united we fall...

Whydontilook 01-11-2010 04:31 AM

Re: Mexico Says Immigration Reform Unlikely in 2010
 
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Originally Posted by crisjcesar (Post 148527)
the economy can benefit from giving documents to undocumented people. New businesses and tax revenue can be generated a lot of it!!

Preaching to the choir. Although it's hard to swallow, he's just being realistic.

arodriguez 01-11-2010 01:16 PM

Re: Mexico Says Immigration Reform Unlikely in 2010
 
why should we listen to MEXICO? they failed us in the first place....

but anyway if we see that CIR fails we better put the foot to the pedal and push for the Dream Act!!!!!!!!!!

Fish 01-11-2010 05:45 PM

Re: Mexico Says Immigration Reform Unlikely in 2010
 
Why are we believing what this guy says? I think I read somewhere that Hispanic congressional members supported health care in return for concrete promises on immigration. That's a fact, I just can't find the article that says it.

It's ONE guy speculating on another nation's political problems. It's up to Mexico to solve this issue. It's the politicians in Congress. Stop worrying about speculation and read the news more often for real concrete action.

Beyonder 01-11-2010 06:01 PM

Re: Mexico Says Immigration Reform Unlikely in 2010
 
They are, in fact, supporting it. But according to this article they are "denying" any agreements are being made.

http://politics.theatlantic.com/2010...mmigration.php''

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Congressional Hispanic Caucus: No Deal On Health Care, Immigration

The Congressional Hispanic Caucus (CHC) says it has not, in fact come to any agreement that would effectively trade votes on health care for the promise that the White House and Democratic leaders will move forward with immigration reform before the end of the year.


The CHC disputed a report that its members would demand a guarantee on immigration in exchange for their "yes" votes on a final health reform package containing language from the Senate bill that would bar illegal immigrants from getting coverage through the new insurance exchanges the bill would create.

"The CHC's position remains the same: it opposes provisions in the Senate health care bill that would negatively impact immigrants," a CHC spokesperson said.

It should be acknowledged that, according to the anonymous sources cited in TPMDC's original story, CHC members wouldn't admit to the deal publicly, for fear of giving the impression that they'd given in on an important goal. But the CHC is now on record disputing that there is such an agreement.


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