S. Korean males won't be able to apply for PR even when DA passes?
 

My B1/B2 tourist visa expired in 2000. My Korean passport expires next year and I won't be able to renew my Korean passport if I don't go to Korean army. If I join the Korean army today, I won't be able to come back to US for 10 yrs.

I spoke to a lawyer and he told me that even if DA passes, I'll be rejected in interview for premanent residency when my passport expires next yr, meaning I won't be able to get a permanent residency, ever (or USC since no PR = no USC). Korean law is diff. from Mexican law so EWI children who crossed the border on foot (or smuggled in) w/o passport are eligible for DA but Koreans w/ expired passport will be rejected for permanent residency interview.

The lawyer also told me that the only way that I can ever get PR is if I marry a USC by next yr..

Anybody else in the same situation?

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***NEW UPDATE***

If you're Korean male, both of your parents are present in US for more than 5 yrs w/o leaving US, you can extend your military duty until you're 37.

If one of your parent isn't in US, or they haven't been in US for 5 yrs, then I think you're not eligible for DA even when it passes because Korean consulate won't extend your military duty -> your passport expires -> once your Korean passport expires you WON'T get an interview for PR even if you wait 5-10 yrs w/ DA conditional visa.

If you have any ques. call you local Korean consulate

If you're Korean male, make sure to renew your Korean passport in your local Korean consulate & make sure your Korean passport doesn't expire.

If I'm wrong about any info that I've put up here, PM me.

Re: S. Korean males won't be able to apply for PR even when DA passes?
 

Then go back to Korea and follow the law. It's a "1st" world country ain't it? If you can't even be in the military then how can we ask for the DA and highlight that IT HAS MILITARY OPTIONS?!! Koreans need to grow some balls.

Re: S. Korean males won't be able to apply for PR even when DA passes?
 

Did you read what I wrote? I'm not going back to S. Korea bc of Korean military duty, I'm not going back bc I get 10 yr ban if I leave now..

If I can fulfill Korean military duty for 2 yrs and come back to US right away, I wouldn't think twice but I'll be at least 34 yrs old by the time 10 yr ban is released..

Re: S. Korean males won't be able to apply for PR even when DA passes?
 

^ If you read what OP wrote it is the ten year ban from the US he is worried about (and that is why many of us DREAMers don't want to leave as well); not serving in the Korean army

Re: S. Korean males won't be able to apply for PR even when DA passes?
 

Thank you. Finally someone who understands the main idea of this thread..

Re: S. Korean males won't be able to apply for PR even when DA passes?
 

you guys seriously have to pay attention to the original thread before you decide to add your comment.

Myself is in a same situation as you are. I was able to postpone my military duty by staying in school. But I will be graduating this May. After May, my only option is to goto a graduate school or ... get married to a USC. I've never thought about my Passport being expired and not eligible to renew. That's crazy

But, it definitely makes sence because even if CIR or DREAM passes, we need our passport for document required by USCIS to prove who we are. So I guess you/my question is DO WE NEED OUR PASSPORT/CURRENT AND NON EXPIRED TO APPLY FOR DREAM OR CIR? or You guys think its possible to meet the requirement by submitting other types of document? ...

Dude, if we they do require passport then we're fuked.. and + As a healthy Korean man I do not mind going in the military to serve my mother country, what I am worried about is 10 yr ban. I won't be able to come back here until i'm 36. now THAT IS crazy.

Re: S. Korean males won't be able to apply for PR even when DA passes?
 

I don't think he was trying to elevate him self or to look better than anyone else than rest in this forum.... well hopefully not, because like you said, we are all in same situation here.

Re: S. Korean males won't be able to apply for PR even when DA passes?
 

what do you mean unlike other countries? USCIS doesn't require valid passport (non-expired) from people from other countries other than Koreans?

Re: S. Korean males won't be able to apply for PR even when DA passes?
 

For example, EWI children who crossed the border from Mexico on foot (or smuggled in) don't need passport to interview for PR after DA passes. As my lawyer says, "멕시코는 국방의 의무가 없어요."

Re: S. Korean males won't be able to apply for PR even when DA passes?
 

bro, whatever happens try to stay in school. if you graduated already, then apply for grad-school. if you don't have time to prepare application/portfolio/test result do whatever you can do to be in a gradschool it seems like thats the only way out for us if whatever your lawyer told you is true. my passport expires in august. ibetter find out about this situation. you should also try to contact a different lawyer. or "청년학교"

Re: S. Korean males won't be able to apply for PR even when DA passes?
 

I noticed the same exact thing lol

Re: S. Korean males won't be able to apply for PR even when DA passes?
 

I was just stating my observation. I never intended to diss you in any way shape or form.

Re: S. Korean males won't be able to apply for PR even when DA passes?
 

same theme over and over again? i've been a memeber since 08' and never saw a thread covring this topic... if i missed it i'm sorry but trixiegirl, but it seems like you joined DAP this month how do you know so much? did you search topic? :/

Re: S. Korean males won't be able to apply for PR even when DA passes?
 

I still don't understand why you'd be rejected once the Dream Act passes. Please explain.

Re: S. Korean males won't be able to apply for PR even when DA passes?
 

So Trixie, you dislike metrosexuals?

Re: S. Korean males won't be able to apply for PR even when DA passes?
 

well said.

Re: S. Korean males won't be able to apply for PR even when DA passes?
 

well, i am korean and thinking about going back since my visa nad passport had expired.
I've been waiting for any kind of immigration reform for past 15 years, but it has never happened. Marrying USC is really difficult among Korean Americans since Koreans are very conscious about socio-economic status, and they won't easily marry me, who is dirt poor with just BA degree.
I am bit afraid of going back to S. Korea since I haven't been there for 15 years, and I know only few cousins who are busy with their own lives.
However, I have learned valuable lesson by living alone in Los Angeles that a person can adapt to any kind of situation if that person has will to survive.
Well...I think I can survive in S. Korea if I work hard and face my destiny as it is.

Re: S. Korean males won't be able to apply for PR even when DA passes?
 

You know there are many Korean Dreamers in university, such as UCLA, who work hard for DA. Your statement just disrespected them. Go find some Korean Dreamers on youtube. They are really wonderful activists.
Since I am leaving for my home country, I won't be mad at you TrixieGirl, but say things that you are really sure of.

Re: S. Korean males won't be able to apply for PR even when DA passes?
 

Dkkeel

Re: S. Korean males won't be able to apply for PR even when DA passes?
 

you completely missed the WHOLE point of anything anyone's telling you.


If you got your face slapped somewhere, go complain to them. not here.

Re: S. Korean males won't be able to apply for PR even when DA passes?
 

This is a very late 90's, early 2000's term actually. David Beckham is a perfect example. A completely straight man still interested in fashion, cosmetics, etc proving that being a man has nothing to do with being a troglodyte and being interested in fashion and taking care of your skin and body has nothing to do with being gay.

In other words, someone who is just another guy in Europe, would be considered metrosexual by the American standards.

One thing that I want point out is that I came from Europe almost 6 years ago and I still can't get over the way people dress and present themselves to the world. I don't understand how people wear pajamas to school or to go to the store.

Europeans dress well and they have much better fashion sense than American men (You don't see all too many European men wearing T-Shirts, sneakers, sweat pants, and those types of casual clothing which many Americans do. European men mostly wear suits and more formal types of clothing while out in public.)

Europe is even the capital of style, Paris and Milan are notable fashion cities. Ha! :)

Re: S. Korean males won't be able to apply for PR even when DA passes?
 

This thread is horrible.
Dream Act activism should be a fight against xenophobia and intolerance-
it's such a hypocrisy that dreamers of all people would be so inclusive.

Re: S. Korean males won't be able to apply for PR even when DA passes?
 

Some people just missed the WHOLE point of the thread. Wish people would just take the time to read before attacking others. It doesn't matter what country any of us are from. Who the hell wants to return to their home country with no family members and also face a 10 year ban from the U.S.

To the OP-- Are you lucky enough to have a state ID or license? I think to adjust status here in the U.S, any government issued ID is fine. But if what you are saying is true, that sucks for S. Korean males. You should talk to a new lawyer to confirm whether this is true or not.

Re: S. Korean males won't be able to apply for PR even when DA passes?
 

How the hell did that Trixie girl not get modded at all? Half her statements were trolling/stereotypes that contribute ZERO to the thread. Obviously has a hidden grudge on Koreans for whatever reason.

gg mods. I can't believe girls like her exist, I guess that's one more to my list of troloololos/durr hurrs.

Re: S. Korean males won't be able to apply for PR even when DA passes?
 

I call bullshit.

Through marriage, you're still getting a PR, a conditional one at that, for the first two years. It makes absolutely no sense that the DA's conditional PR will reject you whereas a marriage adjustment would be fine - it's the same goddamn thing. Sounds like he's pushing you into marriage for the sake of a 'sure shot' so he can charge you for the easy adjustment and gtfo.

It's true that you probably won't be able renew your passport until you become naturalized in the states, but you can live without a passport. It's not a necessity. They just need the i-94 on there to prove that you're not a EWI at the time of the adjustment, whether DA or through marriage.

I'm in the same boat, I would've heard something by now, or it would be a more widely known fact. Find yourself another lawyer.


Someone ban this retard-troll.

Re: S. Korean males won't be able to apply for PR even when DA passes?
 

I agree with everything you said. But would they accept an expired passport as an identification for biometrics and interviews?

Re: S. Korean males won't be able to apply for PR even when DA passes?
 

hey dude, i just got registered to this web to reply.

so, you are now 24?
do you know that you can delay your military duty thru various methods?

if you continue in undergraduate, i believe u can delay upto 25-26.
if you go to a graduate school, u can delay it up to 27-28. (depends on the programs)

that's one way, there is another way.

have you leaved here with your both parents?
it doesn't matter whether under the same roof or not.
if both parents have lived in the US for more than 5 yrs,
then you can delay the duty up to 37 (after 37, ur duty gets dismissed)

delaying the duty = u can renew your passport anytime.

Re: S. Korean males won't be able to apply for PR even when DA passes?
 

Thanks for the helpful info.
Actually my military duty is long overdue, and I really need to go.
Since both of my parents are here and they lived here for more than 14 years, I wouldn't be convicted of evading military duty, aint' I? (I had no choice when I was young and had no idea what to do since I was so disconnected with rest of Korean things. I was just hoping DA/CIR to pass)
I did little research through my cousins in S. Korea and they told me I have to go through some police stuff before I can clear myself into go to military.

Re: S. Korean males won't be able to apply for PR even when DA passes?
 

More food for thought here.

Let's say DA passes this year and you apply and get the conditional status. At this point, will you be able to renew your passport? Because, as far as I know, even if you are a true/legit/normal green card holder, you can only delay the military duty to a certain age. I think you need to be a USC (obviously) to not serve Korean military anymore.

So the problem is, you become "conditional" this year and yet you are still a Korean citizen. That means, during the time you wait something like 6~10 years (I guess depending how they revise and fix the DA terms and years) to be able to apply as a USC as a conditional person, your due for Korean military will be long over-due, and if you don't leave US and serve, you sort of become "blacklisted", and you will never be able to go back to Korea. If you do, you will get arrested and sent to prison for evading military duty.

You see what I'm trying to say here? A lot of South Korean males who need the DA to pass are already near the max age where they can delay the military duty. So, even if DA passes, you need to wait years and years to become a USC all while you still need to serve in the Korean military if you ever want to go back.

Then the question is..will the US government let you guys go back and serve the military for 2 years and come back, as a "conditional" person? I think DA limits foreign travels to a certain time and I'm sure it's less than 2 years.

Re: S. Korean males won't be able to apply for PR even when DA passes?
 

Guys, calm down.
All of us here are living in nightmare as undocumented children.

By the way, KCO716. You have a good point there. Korean male Dreamers are in complex legal issue, and we cannot wait forever.
I know even if the DA passes, we have to go through extensive check ups and need to wait about 10 years to get permanent residency. Mean time, if I choose to go back to Korea and get ban for 10 years, I would finish my military dutyand file for legal immigration to come back .
Although I am not planning to come back to this country, I am just suggesting to those Korean Dreamies who need to make serious decision before time really runs out.

Re: S. Korean males won't be able to apply for PR even when DA passes?
 

We need more mods. But, it's been reported.

Re: S. Korean males won't be able to apply for PR even when DA passes?
 

you know, Korean military duty laws have been changed so many times
due to the celebrities' military duty evasion scandals.

first, regarding passport matters,
you need to talk with a person at the Korean consulates
not the immigration lawyers.

if you need a valid passport only for the interview
and there are no ways for you to renew it properly.

then, you can ask of a temporary passport,
saying you need one to go back to Korea,
then they will issue a 1-yr temporary passport.

second, if you get a PR or even Conditional PR
you can DELAY your duty until 37 / or the expiration date of your Con. PR

본인 영주권 취득
(영주권을 얻어 그 국가에서 1년이상 거주한 경우) 35세까지
(2011.1.1부터 1980.1.1이후 출생자는 37세까지)
조건부 또는 임시영주권자 영주권 유효기간 초과 6월 범위내


so it means, if DA passes, you can delay your military duty

also you can get a valid passport. so don't worry about that.


third, back then, you have to take a medical exam or delay the duty at age of 19.

now, you don't need to report until the last date of calender yr that you turn to 24.

but before that date, you should to do following things that i mentioned earlier (school/parents..etc)

for the parents thing, your parents don't have to be PR/USC for you to delay your military duty.

you just need them lived in US for more than 5 yrs with you.


once again,

for my advise, go to the Korean consulate and talk with a person who is dealing with military duty.

if all choices are not available, then get a temp. passport just before your interview.

Re: S. Korean males won't be able to apply for PR even when DA passes?
 

Going to the Korean consulate to talk to the military duty person isn't really a good idea. They don't deal with illegal Korean immigrants much so all they will say is "you should just go back and serve".

We don't know when DA will pass. We don't know what kind of status we will get (a regular conditional PR? non-immigrant conditional "visa"? etc etc there can be many versions of conditional status)..and as far as I know, you can only delay your duty if you are a TRUE/LEGIT conditional PR/PR holder.

Let's say the DA passes and gives you guys the best status, which is the regular "conditional green card" like a legit immigrant would receive. You wait years and years and finally get a USC but while waiting, your military duty will be long over-due.

So, when you become a USC, are you now able to go back to Korea and just travel free? Or will they still have a record of you showing that you were in America, evaded military duty, turned USC and blacklist you?

If you're in your teens or early 20s, you have much much more options and time. But for people nearing 30, time is running out quick and you have to decide within a year or two whether 1) you want to just stay in America, forget about ever going back to Korea and try your luck here with marriage/DA/CIR OR... 2) go back to Korea, leave all your friends and family, get the 10 year ban, serve the military

Re: S. Korean males won't be able to apply for PR even when DA passes?
 

Stop assuming shit you ignorant fucktard. Enroll yourself in college.

Re: S. Korean males won't be able to apply for PR even when DA passes?
 

::rolls eyes::

I hope you get deported.

Re: S. Korean males won't be able to apply for PR even when DA passes?
 

maybe Korean male can get a sex change or sth. after dream act passes.

Re: S. Korean males won't be able to apply for PR even when DA passes?
 

Hooray for Korean trannies in the making! :D

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...Ede_V-en5RU3Ew

Re: S. Korean males won't be able to apply for PR even when DA passes?
 

Honestly if I were you I wouldn't even worry about this until DA or CIR pass. If either of them do, don't you think there are millions in your situation? There are people who E'edWI who don't even have a passport. You will be fine, don't listen to your lawyer. I adjusted my status with 1) an expired passport (though I do have a state ID) 2) no lawyer. Two people on this forum began the process at the same time and they used lawyers... they're still waiting. I'm not sure what your lawyer gets out of scaring you, lol, but honestly don't even worry about it until you're there.

There are a lot of S. Koreans who are in the same situation, you aren't the only one! Chin up!!!

Re: S. Korean males won't be able to apply for PR even when DA passes?
 

--
I'm the one who listed on that "black list". I came in u.s when i was 18 and graduated public high school as h4 visa holder. Unfortunately, my ignorant abandoned an importance of expending my passport & military duty until my age 25, korean gov. denied authorizing my inquiry. Soon they put me into the black list and claim me as a criminal who didn't respond the national call of duty in a proper time. That was happened about nov. 2008. My age is 30 now. S.korean gov. Not authorize passport for the people like me. I returned my old passport to korean embassy when i was trying expanding my passport & military duty. I currently hold its photocopy and I-94 card. If i'm back to s.korea, they'll put me into prison 100% guaranty, and after that, force me to take the military duty. Definitely, It's not a thing easily debate. Thx!

Re: S. Korean males won't be able to apply for PR even when DA passes?
 

wow that is horrible