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TIKVA 02-06-2011 11:47 AM

Our situation is not unique
 
There are many, many countries who have undocumented immigrants and their children are and were in the same situation as us. Spain has granted amnesty more then once.Brazil has also. So has Israel. Many EU countries have over the years and recently an Island in the Carribean which I forgot the name. Why did they do it. Mostly for positive economic reasons, justice and compassion. Just google if you want to research it further.

And of course the US also granted amnesty. These countrys understood the economic benefits but also felt guilt having a second class population hiding in the shadows. As Obama once said "This is not America that we want, having a population of second class citizens".

My point is this is not a unique situation and it is very surprising that it has gone on this long in the land of the free and the home of the brave.

BTW: usually amnesty is granted to someone who has done something wrong. Explain to me what you did wrong?

Demise 02-06-2011 01:55 PM

Re: Our situation is not unique
 
The problem in this country is that a hick elected from Oklahoma or Alabama can prevent people from New York to get papers.

Fucking la-la-land

kikibay92 02-06-2011 02:00 PM

Re: Our situation is not unique
 
It's all about race. Let's face it, America is a country built upon racism. If we are all white, there ain't be no problem. However, in Americans' eyes, we're clearly all Mexican.

TIKVA 02-06-2011 02:48 PM

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Remember the days when MC Cain used to say "they are also God's children" referring to Mexican immigrants?

DA User 02-06-2011 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by kikibay92 (Post 209760)
It's all about race. Let's face it, America is a country built upon racism. If we are all white, there ain't be no problem. However, in Americans' eyes, we're clearly all Mexican.

There are also Caucasians that are undocumented.

2Face 02-06-2011 04:47 PM

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You're trying to explain the wrong people DA USER...go drill that into those lawmakers heads who voted against DA

DA User 02-06-2011 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by 2Face (Post 209800)
You're trying to explain the wrong people DA USER...go drill that into those lawmakers heads who voted against DA

In reality the Congress wants to pass the CIR/DA but keep in mind, they also want to keep their jobs.

eddy 02-06-2011 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by DA User (Post 209768)
There are also Caucasians that are undocumented.

If you told the average voter that, you would be laughed out of the room...

Elmexicano 02-06-2011 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by eddy (Post 209846)
If you told the average voter that, you would be laughed out of the room...

White Mexican here.

IceCreamPony 02-06-2011 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Elmexicano (Post 209850)
White Mexican here.

lol, seriously? I've always pictured you as a male India Maria.

DA User 02-07-2011 12:57 AM

Re: Our situation is not unique
 
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Originally Posted by eddy (Post 209846)
If you told the average voter that, you would be laughed out of the room...

That is because of the lack of knowledge. There are plenty of Irish that are undocumented.

jds011 02-07-2011 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by kikibay92 (Post 209760)
It's all about race. Let's face it, America is a country built upon racism. If we are all white, there ain't be no problem. However, in Americans' eyes, we're clearly all Mexican.

Racism exits and is a factor in many issues, immigration included, but it's not the only factor.

*In the nicest way possible* if you take an American History class you'll find out thats an incorrect statement. I would recommend you start looking at what happened to the white, Christian, English-speaking immigrants from Ireland (lynchings, etc.) then go from there. Racism exists throughout the planet, in every country, large religious group, school, hospital, political party, etc. But to say that America was built upon racism is BS. There were lots of nativists who hated all-white European immigrants yesterday, and idiots who still hate all immigrants today - regardless of skin color. I truly am sorry that you feel that you live in a country that is built upon and is constantly racist, but I think if you look deeper you may change your mind.

eli2036113 02-07-2011 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by jds011 (Post 209897)
*In the nicest way possible* if you take an American History class you'll find out thats an incorrect statement. I would recommend you start looking at what happened to the white, Christian, English-speaking immigrants from Ireland (lynchings, etc.) then go from there. Racism exists throughout the planet, in every country, large religious group, school, hospital, political party, etc. But to say that America was built upon racism is BS. There were lots of nativists who hated all-white European immigrants yesterday, and idiots who still hate all immigrants today - regardless of skin color. I truly am sorry that you feel that you live in a country that is built upon and is constantly racist, but I think if you look deeper you may change your mind.

Maybe America was not fully built upon racism, but racism in this current time and era is prominent or "racial prejudice". A couple of months back, I read an article about an undocumented Irish girl who had gone to jail in Boston, and they allowed her to stay because "aside the fact that she was undocumented, she was a hard working gal." I truly do believe there is a prejudice against people who do not have Caucasian heritage, it's like the elephant in the room, no one is brave enough to say it, and they have to accept the fact that "America welcomes every race, and its diversity is what built America" but America also wishes it was of a lighter skin color. Now, I'm not defending my fellow Latinos, because some of them really shouldn't be here causing mischief, etc, and I've been lucky to live in places where diversity (sexual orientation & ethnicity) is fully welcomed, but it really grinds my ear when people say racial prejudice is not an issue here. However, i really liked what you said about idiots who still hate every immigrant regardless of their nationality. Kudos.

Your day-to-day, average, normal opinion about Irish illegal aliens:
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/in...4085319AAWeJoR

And your more "journalized" opinion:
http://www.nytimes.com/1989/03/17/us...en.html?src=pm

nickbroken 02-07-2011 04:56 PM

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I i3o3o

freshh. 02-07-2011 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by eddy (Post 209846)
If you told the average voter that, you would be laughed out of the room...

They'd also laugh if they knew that there are Black and Asian people in the U.S. that are also undocumented. Some people just refuse to separate Mexico from immigration.

Pursuitofhappiness 02-07-2011 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by eddy (Post 209846)
If you told the average voter that, you would be laughed out of the room...

True.
I believe American politic is based on racism.
Average American or politicians (typically GOP) try make connection between undocumented immigrants and Latinos.
Hey, I am a Korean undocumented immigrant.

Pursuitofhappiness 02-07-2011 07:13 PM

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You know when I was living in Korea, I never thought about undocumented people living in my country. Now I understand their feeling of living as second class citizens.
This is somewhat valuable lesson I obtain by living in US undocumented.

kyoujuu 02-07-2011 09:48 PM

Re: Our situation is not unique
 
The whole immigration issue definitely has a lot of racism tied to it. Whenever someone is talking about illegal immigrants/undocumented immigrants, they've always gotta mention Mexico or Mexicans somewhere. It makes me want to bang my head on the table because it's not just about Mexico--there are so many of us from countries around the world.

DA User 02-12-2011 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by nickbroken (Post 209915)
No idea what you are talking about.:razz:

Aka Irish.

Davinci818 02-14-2011 03:37 AM

Re: Our situation is not unique
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kikibay92 (Post 209760)
It's all about race. Let's face it, America is a country built upon racism. If we are all white, there ain't be no problem. However, in Americans' eyes, we're clearly all Mexican.

Sigh...I really hate when people make this error. You claim racism but said Mexican at the end there, brotha. That's called nationalism. Also, I agree that Amerixa is racist, but I wouldn't go as far as saying it was built on racism.

JDel 02-14-2011 11:10 AM

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Religion was a bigger deal to them back in those days than where you were from. Religion would've been the key to being accepted in those early settlements, you were banned for not having any faith or the same type of faith and you were banned for having too much of it(more than the town council).

That said, this country was build on religion... the whole purpose of the 1st migration here. Wheres religion these days? =-\

GNIGHT 02-14-2011 01:56 PM

Re: Our situation is not unique
 
Obama is also spending big bills on E-verify. He doesnt wants us to get a job. He wants us to give up and go back to S. America (in my case).

Demise 02-15-2011 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by GNIGHT (Post 210530)
Obama is also spending big bills on E-verify. He doesnt wants us to get a job. He wants us to give up and go back to S. America (in my case).

I miss bush...


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