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ankitkiko 06-15-2012 08:47 PM

How many dreamers will get relief? POLL
 
Want to see how many of us will benefit from this EO. Congrats.

DA User 06-15-2012 09:09 PM

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This is not an EO.

It is a DHS policy change.

ankitkiko 06-16-2012 08:25 PM

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congrats guys.

Kevin1is7lucky 06-19-2012 07:40 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ankitkiko (Post 260236)
congrats guys.

This is great! We should do one after to see how many of us actually did get the relief.

JohannBernoulli1667 06-19-2012 07:42 PM

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I am not sure I will qualify because I have worked with fradulent papers :-(

chessmaster05 06-19-2012 07:46 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JohannBernoulli1667 (Post 261905)
I am not sure I will qualify because I have worked with fradulent papers :-(

Have you been convicted by a court in your state to have used fraudulent papers?

spartanwarrior 06-19-2012 07:55 PM

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i voted for yes but i would prefer you remove the "God" not everyone believes in what you do.

gsb89 06-19-2012 07:57 PM

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Also, this is a bad poll. There are a lot more variables than just the three options. A lot of things are up in the air right now.

will_con 06-19-2012 08:20 PM

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I don't see how God plays a role in this. He could've passed the DA back in 2010 unless he's trying to get the latino votes as well...

and like gsb89 said, a lot of things are still up in the air. A bunch of us have worked with fake SSN who may get disqualified (fingers crossed that it's not the case)

bseo 06-19-2012 08:33 PM

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lol no one came here after 16

DA User 06-19-2012 08:35 PM

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If you did not come here before 16 then you were never a Dreamer. One came here at 17 on this board.

JohannBernoulli1667 06-19-2012 10:17 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by chessmaster05 (Post 261907)
Have you been convicted by a court in your state to have used fraudulent papers?

I have never been convicted of anything.

chessmaster05 06-19-2012 10:24 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JohannBernoulli1667 (Post 261974)
I have never been convicted of anything.

You be aight, then.

JohannBernoulli1667 06-19-2012 10:33 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by chessmaster05 (Post 261978)
You be aight, then.

Sigh* I really hope so. I am trying to be optimistic.

will_con 06-19-2012 10:40 PM

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If it makes you feel any better, the 2010 Dream Act specifically chose to omit section INA212A6c as a reason for not qualifying for a temporary residency. That section is on falsely claiming citizenship and using false documents.

If Obama is as realistic as the Dems who drafted the bill, he'll hopefully make this an excusable offense as well.

JohannBernoulli1667 06-19-2012 10:42 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by will_con (Post 261992)
If it makes you feel any better, the 2010 Dream Act specifically chose to omit section INA212A6c as a reason for not qualifying for a temporary residency. That section is on falsely claiming citizenship and using false documents.

If Obama is as realistic as the Dems who drafted the bill, he'll hopefully make this an excusable offense as well.

This makes me feel so much better :)

will_con 06-19-2012 10:53 PM

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I'm glad :)

Just to back up my statement: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/...1BTpPLa:e3831:

"(1) IN GENERAL- Notwithstanding any other provision of law and except as otherwise provided in this Act, the Secretary of Homeland Security may cancel removal of an alien who is inadmissible or deportable from the United States, and grant the alien conditional nonimmigrant status, if the alien demonstrates by a preponderance of the evidence that-
(C) the alien--
(i) is not inadmissible under paragraph (1), (2), (3), (4), (6)(E), (6)(G), (8), (10)(A), (10)(C), or (10)(D) of section 212(a) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1182(a));"


See how 6(C) is omitted?

Under INA §212(a)(6)(C)(i), an alien who, by fraud or willfully misrepresenting a material fact, seeks to procure (or has sought to procure or has procured) a visa, other documentation, or entry into the United States or other benefit provided under the INA is excludable.
Under the new INA §212(a)(6)(C)(ii), any alien who falsely represents, or has falsely represented, himself or herself to be a citizen of the United States for any purpose or benefit under the INA or any other Federal or State law is excludable.

JohannBernoulli1667 06-19-2012 10:57 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by will_con (Post 261999)
I'm glad :)

Just to back up my statement: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/...1BTpPLa:e3831:

"(1) IN GENERAL- Notwithstanding any other provision of law and except as otherwise provided in this Act, the Secretary of Homeland Security may cancel removal of an alien who is inadmissible or deportable from the United States, and grant the alien conditional nonimmigrant status, if the alien demonstrates by a preponderance of the evidence that-
(C) the alien--
(i) is not inadmissible under paragraph (1), (2), (3), (4), (6)(E), (6)(G), (8), (10)(A), (10)(C), or (10)(D) of section 212(a) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1182(a));"


See how 6(C) is omitted?

Under INA §212(a)(6)(C)(i), an alien who, by fraud or willfully misrepresenting a material fact, seeks to procure (or has sought to procure or has procured) a visa, other documentation, or entry into the United States or other benefit provided under the INA is excludable.
Under the new INA §212(a)(6)(C)(ii), any alien who falsely represents, or has falsely represented, himself or herself to be a citizen of the United States for any purpose or benefit under the INA or any other Federal or State law is excludable.

willfully misrepresenting a material fact: Hopefully this part would take care of me working once with a slightly modified version of my name. Sigh this is what worries me the most.


I am trying to be optimistic though :

Thanks for your post. It makes me feel better.

stillaround 06-19-2012 11:34 PM

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I wanted to delete this post....

JohannBernoulli1667 06-19-2012 11:41 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by stillaround (Post 262036)
Now I'm worried...I've been using a bad SSN from middle school throughout college....I didn't quite understand until last year :( In addition, I also found out that my parents ignored any court proceeding following the expiration of our tourist visa's (after they were granted 3 yrs for asylum) I'm not even completely sure but the attorneys I saw all said this basically screwed me over and I'm under "self deportation"?

Be optimistic. :-D This is all we can do at this point!!! Lets wait for the details. I have hope that the system in place will be fair. :-) Guitierrez and company will fight for us.

GNIGHT 06-20-2012 12:35 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by chessmaster05 (Post 261907)
Have you been convicted by a court in your state to have used fraudulent papers?

Good question. It only matters if you were found guilty of a crime, such as using s/e's papers. If you were never convicted of a serious crime you should be alright. I believe that even if you had your case dismissed you should be ok as well. But if you have multiple crimes coming up in your background check you should hire an immigration lawyer.

JohannBernoulli1667 06-20-2012 12:39 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by GNIGHT (Post 262058)
Good question. It only matters if you were found guilty of a crime, such as using s/e's papers. If you were never convicted of a serious crime you should be alright. I believe that even if you had your case dismissed you should be ok as well. But if you have multiple crimes coming up in your background check you should hire an immigration lawyer.

I guess Convicted is the key word. Also reading this makes it seem like the process will be tolerant. They will understand our dilema. :) I am more optimistic about this. I cannot wait will I get work permit :) I shall start gathering all the necessary documents.

First thing I need to find is my I-94~


Over the past three years, this Administration has undertaken an unprecedented effort to transform the immigration enforcement system into one that focuses on public safety, border security and the integrity of the immigration system. As DHS continues to focus its limited enforcement resources on the removal of individuals who pose a danger to national security or a risk to public safety, including aliens convicted of crimes, with particular emphasis on violent criminals, felons, and repeat offenders, DHS will move to exercise prosecutorial discretion to ensure that enforcement resources are not expended on low priority cases, such as individuals who were brought to this country through no fault of their own as children, have not been convicted of a felony offense, a significant misdemeanor offense, or multiple misdemeanor offenses, and meet other key criteria.


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