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natalie2288 01-28-2013 01:59 AM

Reform blueprint
 
http://abcnews.go.com/m/story?id=18330912

Charolastra 01-28-2013 02:04 AM

Re: Regorm blueprint
 
I love "regorm".

pnoypie 01-28-2013 02:04 AM

Re: Regorm blueprint
 
"For instance, individuals who entered the United States as minor children did not knowingly choose to violate any immigration laws. Consequently, under our proposal these individuals will not face the same requirements as other individuals in order to earn a path to citizenship."dream act??

natalie2288 01-28-2013 02:06 AM

Re: Regorm blueprint
 
Lol sorry I just realized!!! I was using my iphone and half-asleep. It should say Reform!

Charolastra 01-28-2013 02:06 AM

Re: Regorm blueprint
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by pnoypie (Post 416432)
"For instance, individuals who entered the United States as minor children did not knowingly choose to violate any immigration laws. Consequently, under our proposal these individuals will not face the same requirements as other individuals in order to earn a path to citizenship." DACA or dream act??

I guess they're just going to give all DACA people a green card.

sidynasty 01-28-2013 02:32 AM

Re: Regorm blueprint
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Charolastra (Post 416435)
I guess they're just going to give all DACA people a green card.

Wouldn't that be awesome if they did?

Smooth 01-28-2013 02:41 AM

Re: Regorm blueprint
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Charolastra (Post 416431)
I love "regorm".

Must be some type of Ogre.

Pluribus 01-28-2013 02:49 AM

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"Individuals who are present without lawful status ... will only receive a green card"
Green card and that's it? No Citizenship? Okay.

"For instance, individuals who entered the United States as minor children did not knowingly choose to violate any immigration laws ... these individuals will not face the same requirements as other individuals in order to earn a path to citizenship"

I'm having trouble interpreting that. We will be getting GC and then get the opportunity to get citizenships? and what requirements again?

dreamer-michigan 01-28-2013 02:54 AM

Re: Regorm blueprint
 
Yea it's basicly a 5 year wait then tests for citizenship

Tovicmar 01-28-2013 03:01 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Pluribus (Post 416462)
"Individuals who are present without lawful status ... will only receive a green card"
Green card and that's it? No Citizenship? Okay.

"For instance, individuals who entered the United States as minor children did not knowingly choose to violate any immigration laws ... these individuals will not face the same requirements as other individuals in order to earn a path to citizenship"

I'm having trouble interpreting that. We will be getting GC and then get the opportunity to get citizenships? and what requirements again?

The next step after someone receives a GC is citizenship.. I think the wait (as of right now) is 5 years after GC.

Charolastra 01-28-2013 03:04 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Tovicmar (Post 416465)
The next step after someone receives a GC is citizenship.. I think the wait (as of right now) is 5 years after GC.

The wait from residency to citizenship has been 5 years since 1790, when George Washington was president. I don't think it'll change.

saint seiya 01-28-2013 03:14 AM

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what happens after citizenship?!!!













JK
The wait for citizenship for a green card holder is 3 years (if married with US citizen) or 5 years if not married.

Tovicmar 01-28-2013 03:21 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by saint seiya (Post 416468)
what happens after citizenship?!!!













JK
The wait for citizenship for a green card holder is 3 years (if married with US citizen) or 5 years if not married.

Of course, I forgot about the immigration system and all of its deviations..
There is also different wait for people with GC who enroll in the Military.

danieltij 01-28-2013 03:32 AM

Re: Regorm blueprint
 
How long is the wait for those who go in the military?

Ianus 01-28-2013 03:36 AM

Re: Regorm blueprint
 
^Those details are not yet clear.... but if you look at the reform blueprint clearly Agjobs and Dreamers will be prioritized for legalization.I believe in the last Kennedy-Kyl bill Dreamers would have attained US residency in ~3 years.
Quote:

- Individuals who are present without lawful status - not including people within the two categories identified below - will only receive a green card after every individual who is already waiting in line for a green card, at the time this legislation is enacted, has received their green card. Our purpose is to ensure that no one who has violated America's immigration laws will receive preferential treatment as they relate to those individuals who have complied with the law.

- Our legislation also recognizes that the circumstances and the conduct of people without lawful status are not the same, and cannot be addressed identically.

For instance, individuals who entered the United States as minor children did not knowingly choose to violate any immigration laws. Consequently, under our proposal these individuals will not face the same requirements as other individuals in order to earn a path to citizenship.

Similarly, individuals who have been working without legal status in the United States agricultural industry have been performing very important and difficult work to maintain America's food supply while earning subsistence wages. Due to the utmost importance in our nation maintaining the safety of its food supply, agricultural workers who commit to the long term stability of our nation's agricultural industries will be treated differently than the rest of the undocumented population because of the role they play in ensuring that Americans have safe and secure agricultural products to sell and consume. These individuals will earn a path to citizenship through a different process under our new agricultural worker program process under our new agricultural worker program.

freshh. 01-28-2013 07:54 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by natalie2288 (Post 416434)
Lol sorry I just realized!!! I was using my iphone and half-asleep. It should say Reform!

Corrected it for you. ;)

Jon 01-28-2013 08:06 AM

Re: Reform blueprint
 
Is obama giving the speech today or Tuesday, because my mom tells me its today but I read an article that its on Tuesday. also what time will he speak.

freshh. 01-28-2013 08:17 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ianus (Post 416476)
^Those details are not yet clear.... but if you look at the reform blueprint clearly Agjobs and Dreamers will be prioritized for legalization.I believe in the last Kennedy-Kyl bill Dreamers would have attained US residency in ~3 years.

Individuals who are present without lawful status - not including people within the two categories identified below - will only receive a green card after every individual who is already waiting in line for a green card, at the time this legislation is enacted, has received their green card. Our purpose is to ensure that no one who has violated America's immigration laws will receive preferential treatment as they relate to those individuals who have complied with the law.
I have question about that which I'm sure it will be addressed in the details. What will they do about people who are undocumented, but are "in the line" and will face a 10 year ban should they leave the U.S. to adjust their status? Extend 245i?

freshh. 01-28-2013 08:19 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jon (Post 416516)
Is obama giving the speech today or Tuesday, because my mom tells me its today but I read an article that its on Tuesday. also what time will he speak.

Not sure on the time, but it is tomorrow.

msaccountant 01-28-2013 10:08 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by freshh. (Post 416518)
Not sure on the time, but it is tomorrow.

Eeeek! So excited! :mrgreen: I'm so not going to miss it like the DACA announcement!

leo18 01-28-2013 10:41 AM

Re: Reform blueprint
 
I'm happy with this bipartisan proposal, it is humane and comprehensive.

leo18 01-28-2013 10:43 AM

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But I'm still wondering something. How are they going to keep track of visa overstays? Will they automatically become ICE fugitives once their permitted status expires?

NeneLeakes 01-28-2013 11:01 AM

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Oh even though my daca isnt approved yet. This makes me very happy!!!!

Ianus 01-28-2013 11:55 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by freshh. (Post 416517)
Individuals who are present without lawful status - not including people within the two categories identified below - will only receive a green card after every individual who is already waiting in line for a green card, at the time this legislation is enacted, has received their green card. Our purpose is to ensure that no one who has violated America's immigration laws will receive preferential treatment as they relate to those individuals who have complied with the law.
I have question about that which I'm sure it will be addressed in the details. What will they do about people who are undocumented, but are "in the line" and will face a 10 year ban should they leave the U.S. to adjust their status? Extend 245i?

That is a good question.The outline doesn't seem to cover that possibility.It currently seems to treat them as already "in the line" but still open to the possibility of general legalization.

I can only assume that the general probationary period might actually cure an individual of unlawful presence allowing the individual to seek status in other ways.

dtrt09 01-28-2013 12:38 PM

Re: Reform blueprint
 
"We believe requiring prospectiveworkers to demonstrate both legal status and identity, through non-forgeable electronic means prior to obtaining employment"...

Oh, my God, I was right!!!!! They are in the midst of creating a National Identity File for every resident in the U.S. It is supposed to be modeled after Facebook (believe me or not), where not only every person's identity is filed, but also that of their families and connections.

When you present yourself for employement, school, etc, they will bring up your file, and be able to see that the person in front of them is really you. This is mainly for identity theft, and resonably and understandly so, people steal your name, dob, etc, but they cannot steal your face. The other elements of reform in this bluepring mirror those of an original essay a friend forwarded me and in which the blueprint for "prosecutorial discretion" enfocement (the Morton Memo) was included. I might just post that original immigration reform plan here...

By The Grace of God 01-28-2013 12:40 PM

Re: Reform blueprint
 
Does anyone know if there is a certain number of years required??? like 5 years or 10... etc. I'm curious

freshh. 01-28-2013 12:41 PM

Re: Regorm blueprint
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ianus (Post 416593)
That is a good question.The outline doesn't seem to cover that possibility.It currently seems to treat them as already "in the line" but still open to the possibility of general legalization.

I can only assume that the general probationary period might actually cure an individual of unlawful presence allowing the individual to seek status in other ways.

Let's hope that's the case. I know several DREAMers here (myself included) have undocumented relatives waiting on family-based petitions. I just hope they see that as a potential issue to address, as well.

pnoypie 01-28-2013 12:53 PM

Re: Reform blueprint
 
Military details. Lets go!!

freshh. 01-28-2013 12:56 PM

Re: Reform blueprint
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by By The Grace of God (Post 416615)
Does anyone know if there is a certain number of years required??? like 5 years or 10... etc. I'm curious

Quote:

Originally Posted by pnoypie (Post 416626)
Military details. Lets go!!

No actual specifics (i.e. how long you have to prove continuous presence for) in the released blueprint.

sidynasty 01-28-2013 01:56 PM

Re: Reform blueprint
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dtrt09 (Post 416613)
"We believe requiring prospectiveworkers to demonstrate both legal status and identity, through non-forgeable electronic means prior to obtaining employment"...

Oh, my God, I was right!!!!! They are in the midst of creating a National Identity File for every resident in the U.S. It is supposed to be modeled after Facebook (believe me or not), where not only every person's identity is filed, but also that of their families and connections.

When you present yourself for employement, school, etc, they will bring up your file, and be able to see that the person in front of them is really you. This is mainly for identity theft, and resonably and understandly so, people steal your name, dob, etc, but they cannot steal your face. The other elements of reform in this bluepring mirror those of an original essay a friend forwarded me and in which the blueprint for "prosecutorial discretion" enfocement (the Morton Memo) was included. I might just post that original immigration reform plan here...


Care to post it? Or PM it? I'd be very interested in reading it.

Kevin1is7lucky 01-28-2013 02:10 PM

Re: Reform blueprint
 
Did anybody understand the difference between people on "probationary lawful status" and people "without lawful status?" I know the former means those whom passed the background check, paid fine, and back taxes, but is the latter people who hypothetically failed to do that? Because apparently they still get a chance to get a green card as long as they go to the back of the line... Based on the information under the number one.

ernier 01-28-2013 03:15 PM

Re: Reform blueprint
 
CNN just said the congressmen will have a pres conference soon, not sure when though.

Kevin1is7lucky 01-28-2013 03:20 PM

Re: Reform blueprint
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by leo18 (Post 416566)
I'm happy with this bipartisan proposal, it is humane and comprehensive.

I am too, but details are super important. Here in Texas we say "Remember the Alamo" well I would like to modify that a bit. Remember Rubio!

hbone373 01-28-2013 03:36 PM

Re: Reform blueprint
 
is anybody watching?

http://www.abc15.com/generic/news/live-video

leo18 01-28-2013 04:03 PM

Re: Reform blueprint
 
Marco Rubio <3 (no homo)

leo18 01-28-2013 04:15 PM

Re: Reform blueprint
 
John Mccain: "En espanol, vamonos" xD

msaccountant 01-28-2013 04:18 PM

Re: Reform blueprint
 
I didn't get to watch it all please let me know of a link to see it later. thanks xo

Pianoswithoutfaith 01-28-2013 04:51 PM

Re: Reform blueprint
 
Basically blah we are going to do this and blah that and blah dream act here and everywhere dream act.

DA User 01-28-2013 05:04 PM

Re: Reform blueprint
 
Age cap for DA?

Pianoswithoutfaith 01-28-2013 07:08 PM

Re: Reform blueprint
 
Age man age!!


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