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angie0909 04-07-2013 12:33 PM

can we travel outside the united states??
 
i was wondering if we could travel . my grandpa is very sick and we are just waiting for him to pass.
i was wondering if that would help me to travel to mexico and get to see him before he passes
what are the chances that i will be able to get back to the states??

Pianoswithoutfaith 04-07-2013 12:35 PM

Re: can we travel outside the united states??
 
Yes, there is a way its called Advance Parole, we have lots of these topics so I suggest you look for it them. But I will tell you what I tell everyone who has a dying love on. Don't leave the country just yet, whether you come or go is up the agent checking you and their decisions. It seems they are more tolerant to people with just an unlawful presence before DACA as oppose to those with unlawful presence and ewi.

angie0909 04-07-2013 12:40 PM

Re: can we travel outside the united states??
 
the doctor said we just have to wait ......

Pianoswithoutfaith 04-07-2013 01:03 PM

Re: can we travel outside the united states??
 
wait for what?

melpw 04-07-2013 02:36 PM

Re: can we travel outside the united states??
 
has anyone already left and come back with a daca status

Javier52 04-07-2013 02:41 PM

Re: can we travel outside the united states??
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by melpw (Post 455513)
has anyone already left and come back with a daca status

Advance parole or daca?


http://dreamact.info/forum/showthrea...Advance+parole

melpw 04-07-2013 02:43 PM

Re: can we travel outside the united states??
 
just daca approved . Ive seen some people saying they're going to study abroad with a daca status"

angie0909 04-07-2013 02:56 PM

Re: can we travel outside the united states??
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pianoswithoutfaith (Post 455487)
wait for what?

to pass away

Dark Apotheosis 04-07-2013 04:02 PM

Re: can we travel outside the united states??
 
USCIS was supposed to release new specifications for advance parole that dealt specifically with DACA. With this, the border patrol will pretty much have clear and explicit instructions as to how to handle DACA cases, i.e. person has DACA and approved advance parole — let them in.

It seems they've put that on the back burner for now, though, since they announced that several months ago.

Dreamingsince92 04-07-2013 09:57 PM

Re: can we travel outside the united states??
 
A postcard thing came in the envelope with my EAD there is no way to know they will let you back in with Advanced Parole. The border patrol basically chooses if they let you back in. So what the info ^^^ you are giving is totally different from what i read on that card.

Happyman0607 04-07-2013 10:39 PM

Re: can we travel outside the united states??
 
You can apply for advance parol.. You'll leave but you're not guaranteed a re-entry.. So if you feel like putting your faith in some customs agent who probably isn't fond of illegals granted legal presence then be my guest.. Don't come on here crying that they won't let you back in.. Leave at your own risk.. I've had a lot of relatives pass, my grandfather just last year.. I wish I could of been there but I couldn't.. Life goes on, CIR could pass and there could be a "must be here on this day" just like there was for DACA.. Might get you excluded.. I wouldn't risk it.. But then again you're not me and you can do what you please, just know your risk and weigh out if its worth taking it.

Good luck.

angie0909 04-10-2013 01:50 PM

Re: can we travel outside the united states??
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Happyman0607 (Post 455626)
You can apply for advance parol.. You'll leave but you're not guaranteed a re-entry.. So if you feel like putting your faith in some customs agent who probably isn't fond of illegals granted legal presence then be my guest.. Don't come on here crying that they won't let you back in.. Leave at your own risk.. I've had a lot of relatives pass, my grandfather just last year.. I wish I could of been there but I couldn't.. Life goes on, CIR could pass and there could be a "must be here on this day" just like there was for DACA.. Might get you excluded.. I wouldn't risk it.. But then again you're not me and you can do what you please, just know your risk and weigh out if its worth taking it.

Good luck.

i need professional help not your personal opinion. i find it really offensive the attitude that you are taking towards my problem. you are not me and it's not your relative neither. so you don't know who this person was to me.

angie0909 04-10-2013 01:51 PM

Re: can we travel outside the united states??
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Javier52 (Post 455517)

thanks for the link. i have been investigating a lot. and i consulted it with my lawyer too. He told me that as long as my I-131 gets approved i can come back.

Dreamingsince92 04-11-2013 03:54 PM

Re: can we travel outside the united states??
 
I personally wouldnt risk it it says clearly on uscis website on the card that comes w your EAD that there is a high chance you can get rejected at the border, all depending on the immigration officer. And i didnt see it as a negative way that happyman0607 was trying to tell you. Just advice. I mean that is what we are here for is ADVICE. Are you really coming here on a page that is full of people that are going through the same thing as you asking for "PROFESSIONAL HELP"? This is not the place. You paid a lawyer right you should have gone to him from the start. Sorry that you dont find our advice useful. But then again we are not LAWYERS nobody on this page is. We are just telling you what we have heard and read. (:

angie0909 04-11-2013 04:01 PM

Re: can we travel outside the united states??
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dreamingsince92 (Post 455612)
A postcard thing came in the envelope with my EAD there is no way to know they will let you back in with Advanced Parole. The border patrol basically chooses if they let you back in. So what the info ^^^ you are giving is totally different from what i read on that card.

can you show me that letter??

JJ Glo 04-11-2013 04:12 PM

Re: can we travel outside the united states??
 
As of right now, USCIS is still using the old instructions for Advance Parole where it says that if you have been Unlawfully Present in the United States, you can be denied re-entry from the United States.

USCIS is looking to change this and they made a proposal to change the rules. One of them being that if your only form of inadmissibility is Unlawful Presence, you will not be denied re-entry.

Leaving the United States with an Advance Parole Document is a “departure” from the United States for all purposes under the U.S. immigration laws except that it is not a “departure” solely for purposes of inadmissibility under INA section 212(a)(9)(B) (inadmissibility due to prior unlawful presence), if you are paroled into the United States on the basis of such document. Any other departures without first obtaining Advance Parole may subject you to the inadmissibility provisions of INA 212(a)(9)(B).

This isn't the law yet though, so I'm not sure if you can travel right now without any problems.

Dreamingsince92 04-11-2013 06:26 PM

Re: can we travel outside the united states??
 
This is what is says:

Parole into the United States is not Guaranteed - In all cases you are still subject to immigration inspection at a port of entry to determine whether you are eligible to return to the united states under the terms of this advance parole. If you travel outside the United States you may use the combo card to seek parole upon your return. However, the fact that you have this combo cars does not prevent the Department of Homeland Security (DHS), in the exercise OF ITS DISCRETION, from refusing to parole you into the United States if DHS determines that parole no longer serves the public interest of the United States.

Thats STRAIGHT FROM the card that i got from USCIS.

"HOWEVER THE FACT THAT YOU HAVE THIS COMBO CARD DOES NOT PREVENT THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY (DHS) IN THE EXERCISE OF ITS DISCRETION (meaning they do not have to tell you why or explain why) FROM REFUSING TO PAROLE YOU INTO THE UNITED STATES"

So i do believe they can not let you in if they just dont like you... lol smh

Dreamingsince92 04-11-2013 06:40 PM

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Continued after that section;

Parole into the United States is not an admission- If your form i-485 is denied you may be subject to removal proceedings as an inadmissible alien under sections 212(a) and 235(b)(1) or 240 of the Act rather than as a deportable alien under sections 237(a) and 240 of the Act.

DHS reserves the authority, at any time, to revoke your advance parole, whether you are in the United States or aboard. If DHS revokes your advance parole, then you will no longer be authorized to use this combo card to board a plane, ship, or any other carrier for travel to the United States, nor will you be able to apply for parole at a port of entry with the combo card. If the Department of Homeland Security revokes your advance parole while you are outside the United States, your combo card will no longer be valid for travel. If the Department of Homeland Security revokes your advance parole, you may not be able to return to the United States, unless you are eligible for, and obtain, a visa or other valid travel document.

I just typed all this out just for you! (: lol

Happyman0607 04-11-2013 07:22 PM

Re: can we travel outside the united states??
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by angie0909 (Post 456962)
i need professional help not your personal opinion. i find it really offensive the attitude that you are taking towards my problem. you are not me and it's not your relative neither. so you don't know who this person was to me.

You need professional help yet you come on this site asking for help from "non" professionals.. Great logic champ..

We all have the same problem.. I bet you 99% of the people here have had "your" problem.. My grandfather recently passed away and I didn't go so yes I know where you're coming from. I don't appreciate your attitude.. If you can't take the heat get out of the kitchen.. I'm giving you an answer that everyone gets, I don't know you and I don't want to know you.. It is what it is my friend.. Go apply for AP, if something happens don't cry about it cause you now know the risk and so does everyone else.

DreamsNC 04-11-2013 07:38 PM

Re: can we travel outside the united states??
 
we can travel within the US though? will a drivers license be sufficient or still need a passport?

YouMaySayImADreamer 04-12-2013 12:01 AM

Re: can we travel outside the united states??
 
I'm sorry about your grandpa, I'm on the same boat.

What I have found so far is that it should be safe but no one knows for sure because we don't know many who have attempted it. One girl posted on this forum that she left and came back without a problem and she even had photos to prove it. We haven't heard of anyone else even attempting it.

I've met with USCIS officers and many different lawyers and get conflicting answers. They either tell me that it's totally safe or they say they don't know so I shouldn't risk it. The USCIS officer guaranteed me it was safe to travel once you get approved and even though it's not up to USCIS, I honestly believe it'll be ok. They wouldn't even make it an option for us if we couldn't since the vast majority of DACAs have over a year of unlawful presence.

All I know is that I'm in the process of gathering evidence in order to mail in my application. If you do end up going through with it, please keep us posted? I will do the same!


Quote:

Originally Posted by DreamsNC (Post 457650)
we can travel within the US though? will a drivers license be sufficient or still need a passport?

You can use a DL for domestic flights, or any other valid photo document (I've traveled using my passport with an expired visa before - they only check the identity page).

Pianoswithoutfaith 04-12-2013 12:06 AM

Re: can we travel outside the united states??
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by angie0909 (Post 456962)
i need professional help not your personal opinion. i find it really offensive the attitude that you are taking towards my problem. you are not me and it's not your relative neither. so you don't know who this person was to me.

"I need professional help! so i like to get help from forums instead of hiring an attorney"

melpw 04-12-2013 12:09 AM

Re: can we travel outside the united states??
 
ive posted this in other threads but ill post it here too since alot of people seem to have the same question

For DACA folks who want to travel abroad..
Have there been any Advance Parole approvals for DACA beneficiaries who wish to travel abroad?

There have been a few approvals for Advance Parole documents for individuals with Deferred Action. The cases we know of have been for school-related activities (i.e. sports team traveling, studying abroad, etc.)

*Note that the dates on the Advance Parole document are VERY restrictive (i.e. if you ask for 4 days for a sports trip, you will get 4 days. If the returning flight is canceled or delayed to the next day, the individual will be at risk of not being able to return).

Also, all the approvals we've seen have been for a single entry. If someone has various trips that require multiple entries (e.g. 4 soccer trips this year), it might be worth trying to apply for all in one request.

While the Advance Parole notice states that leaving the U.S. on Advance Parole with DACA is not a departure for 3/10 year bar purposes, we suggest that individuals consult with an attorney before leaving the U.S.

We recommend that anyone thinking of applying for Advance Parole should do so, and then consult an attorney when it is approved and in hand. Processing times, and the changing landscape of DACA, and the various other complexities, grounds of inadmissibility, possible need to close out deportation proceedings, etc. should be evaluated.

Lastly, if some form of Immigration Reform passes while the individual is abroad, it is possible they would not be eligible for legalization.

Dreamingsince92 04-12-2013 01:16 AM

Re: can we travel outside the united states??
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DreamsNC (Post 457650)
we can travel within the US though? will a drivers license be sufficient or still need a passport?

Yes we can travel within the US without any problems. (:

Happyman0607 04-12-2013 01:19 AM

Re: can we travel outside the united states??
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pianoswithoutfaith (Post 457793)
"I need professional help! so i like to get help from forums instead of hiring an attorney"

Then gets mad when I give her an answer she doesn't like.. Logic is just off the charts..

Pianoswithoutfaith 04-12-2013 01:21 AM

Re: can we travel outside the united states??
 
Yeah I dont get some people here, they need to pay an attorney to sugarcoat for them what we are telling them directly.

bigdreams92 04-13-2013 01:07 AM

Re: can we travel outside the united states??
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Happyman0607 (Post 457846)
Then gets mad when I give her an answer she doesn't like.. Logic is just off the charts..

You're such an MOD EDIT. This is a life or death situation and you can tell the truth without being a dick. Dumb ass.

Kal0bad 04-13-2013 04:46 AM

Re: can we travel outside the united states??
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by angie0909 (Post 456962)
i need professional help not your personal opinion. i find it really offensive the attitude that you are taking towards my problem. you are not me and it's not your relative neither. so you don't know who this person was to me.

He is kind of right though! I'm sure your grandpa wouldnot want you to chance your future for him. Be strong and use technolofy, videocall or something!

angie0909 04-13-2013 09:55 AM

Re: can we travel outside the united states??
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by YouMaySayImADreamer (Post 457787)
I'm sorry about your grandpa, I'm on the same boat.

What I have found so far is that it should be safe but no one knows for sure because we don't know many who have attempted it. One girl posted on this forum that she left and came back without a problem and she even had photos to prove it. We haven't heard of anyone else even attempting it.

I've met with USCIS officers and many different lawyers and get conflicting answers. They either tell me that it's totally safe or they say they don't know so I shouldn't risk it. The USCIS officer guaranteed me it was safe to travel once you get approved and even though it's not up to USCIS, I honestly believe it'll be ok. They wouldn't even make it an option for us if we couldn't since the vast majority of DACAs have over a year of unlawful presence.

All I know is that I'm in the process of gathering evidence in order to mail in my application. If you do end up going through with it, please keep us posted? I will do the same!




You can use a DL for domestic flights, or any other valid photo document (I've traveled using my passport with an expired visa before - they only check the identity page).


i have called immigration several times and told them my case (without lies ) and they all tell the same thing: that it is safe as long as i get my I-131 approved

i went to my local immigration office and they told me the same thing ( i did not mention to them that i had called immigration already) . The immigration office told me they have approved cases like mine and the people do return to the U.S.A without problems.

My lawyer tells me the same thing, he is actually very good and well recognized in my area.

I am keeping up with the process and yes i will let you know how everything goes.


I laso found this link, and i think it has response to a lot of the questions that have been posted in this forum.


http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/usc...00082ca60aRCRD


and it says something about advance parole and deferred action

angie0909 04-13-2013 09:58 AM

Re: can we travel outside the united states??
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kal0bad (Post 458509)
He is kind of right though! I'm sure your grandpa wouldnot want you to chance your future for him. Be strong and use technolofy, videocall or something!

thanks for the help. actually my grandpa is in intensive care; he can't speak neither..... he wanted to speak with me before he went into intensive care.

angie0909 04-13-2013 10:00 AM

Re: can we travel outside the united states??
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pianoswithoutfaith (Post 457850)
Yeah I dont get some people here, they need to pay an attorney to sugarcoat for them what we are telling them directly.

I did not want you to help me as if you were lawyers, but providing me help with actual facts
links with information or cases

but i got it thanks anyway


http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/usc...00082ca60aRCRD

angie0909 04-13-2013 10:03 AM

Re: can we travel outside the united states??
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dreamingsince92 (Post 457606)
Continued after that section;

Parole into the United States is not an admission- If your form i-485 is denied you may be subject to removal proceedings as an inadmissible alien under sections 212(a) and 235(b)(1) or 240 of the Act rather than as a deportable alien under sections 237(a) and 240 of the Act.

DHS reserves the authority, at any time, to revoke your advance parole, whether you are in the United States or aboard. If DHS revokes your advance parole, then you will no longer be authorized to use this combo card to board a plane, ship, or any other carrier for travel to the United States, nor will you be able to apply for parole at a port of entry with the combo card. If the Department of Homeland Security revokes your advance parole while you are outside the United States, your combo card will no longer be valid for travel. If the Department of Homeland Security revokes your advance parole, you may not be able to return to the United States, unless you are eligible for, and obtain, a visa or other valid travel document.

I just typed all this out just for you! (: lol

there has to be reasons for them to deny it or revoke it. They can't just look at you and say "hey i kinda don't like you, and i won't let you in anymore"

Parole into the United States is not an admission- If your form i-485 is denied you may be subject to removal proceedings as an inadmissible alien under sections 212(a) and 235(b)(1) or 240 of the Act rather than as a deportable alien under sections 237(a) and 240 of the Act.

Happyman0607 04-13-2013 12:33 PM

Re: can we travel outside the united states??
 
This thread is really useless, it's asking for information and when given, OP rejects it, mods can we just close this down before it becomes a fight fest?

Pianoswithoutfaith 04-13-2013 04:44 PM

Re: can we travel outside the united states??
 
whatever attorney he gets won't know more than USCIS so I dont get why he came here asking us in the first place

angie0909 04-13-2013 07:12 PM

Re: can we travel outside the united states??
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pianoswithoutfaith (Post 458714)
whatever attorney he gets won't know more than USCIS so I dont get why he came here asking us in the first place

first of all i am not a "he"
second if anything we need to ban certain people from this thread, not close it

Please MODS!!

Pianoswithoutfaith 04-13-2013 07:18 PM

Re: can we travel outside the united states??
 
yeah we need ban people who come here asking for help expecting professional help then complaining how w/e we say doesn't matter even if we are saying is stuff directly we copied from the USCIS site.

Happyman0607 04-13-2013 07:25 PM

Re: can we travel outside the united states??
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by angie0909 (Post 458756)
first of all i am not a "he"
second if anything we need to ban certain people from this thread, not close it

Please MODS!!

Ban for what? No ones breaking rules.. We're contributing to your thread in a factual matter and you're not liking our answers so you're getting mad.. The logic just doesn't make sense to me, idk.

angie0909 04-13-2013 10:16 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Happyman0607 (Post 458768)
Ban for what? No ones breaking rules.. We're contributing to your thread in a factual matter and you're not liking our answers so you're getting mad.. The logic just doesn't make sense to me, idk.

i am not getting mad at links and stuff you guys are posting. I am actually reading all the contributions, because they are helping me a bit. But personal opinions can be reserved.

angie0909 04-13-2013 10:17 PM

Re: can we travel outside the united states??
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Happyman0607 (Post 458768)
Ban for what? No ones breaking rules.. We're contributing to your thread in a factual matter and you're not liking our answers so you're getting mad.. The logic just doesn't make sense to me, idk.

and exactly why close my thread. no one is breaking the rules right??

angie0909 04-13-2013 10:18 PM

Re: can we travel outside the united states??
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pianoswithoutfaith (Post 458714)
whatever attorney he gets won't know more than USCIS so I dont get why he came here asking us in the first place

who said that??


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