Outline of the Border Security, Economic Opportunity, and Immigration Modernization A
 

Outline of the Border Security, Economic Opportunity, and Immigration Modernization
Act of 2013

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2...n-plan.php?m=1

Alight guys there's the link to the official outline document that I believe most media outlets are referring to. Its about 19 pages long. If you click the link scroll down and you'll see a link where you can download it so its easier to read.

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From page 4

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Thanks for this post. Clears a lot of questions. Can't wait for tomorrow. Maybe this RPI status would give individuals EAD's under a new category?

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It's not saying anything about dreamers just that were getting a GC in 5 years & later we can become citizens....that's it!? Really no more details ?

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Sooo does this mean dreamers who claimed citizenship on I-9 or college applications can't apply for this senate bill?

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lol Chill brah. This bill is Comprehensive. I'm sure you will be fine. Just wait for the text to come out. There's millions upon millions of people in your shoes. Don't worry. There's a reason why I bold that word. This is not DACA. This is a definite solution.

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What i dont get is.. ok get a green card after 5 years and then you can just immediately apply for citizenship? something just seems off about that , so apply for a green card then when it arrives apply for citizenship that makes absolutely no sense .. just saying .. still doesn't say anything about if you already have an approved i 130 and waiting on a visa , does anyone know how that is gonna work out?

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So dreamers get RPI automatically ?

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I love this part, my priority date is Nov-1998 (Married son/daughter of American citizen mexican origen)

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I age out in December. If this passes, I just might be able to still fall under my mother's paperwork.

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Sorry I'm just nervous :( it's because I claimed us citizenship on an I-9 form back in November 2011 and I quit that same month and same year novemeber 2011 I was only there for 3-4 weeks. I'm just scared.....

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Sweet ... so that means we can adjust immediately?

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I think the full bill needs to be released before we can go over this potential detail.

I don't see how the Congress can dictate that one individual group[Dreamers] legalizing under Registered Provisional Immigrant status can fulfill the residency requirements for Naturalization while another group[General undocumented population] cannot under the very same status.I think that would violate the equal protection clause of the US Constitution.Dreamers will likely be given a separate status and it seems rather likely to be a Conditional GC that could also fulfill the requirements of not only Naturalization but the ability to enter the Armed services.

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i wonder which DREAM Act they are talking about when they source those that are "eligible for the Dream Act". I hope it's not the one the DACA because that'd leave a bunch of Dreamers out AGAIN!

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I think its funny how vague they are with dreamers

^ If I could trust anyone to be right itll be this guy

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Everyone needs to calm down. It clearly says "Dream Act kids will be eligible for a GC in 5 years and Citizenship IMMEDIATELY after they get their green cards."

For those who still are confused.

YOU CAN APPLY FOR CITIZENSHIP IN 5 YEARS FROM THE DAY YOU GET RPI.

This is a very special treatment like they said we would be given..

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That is CLEARLY not the issue being discussed

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Under one component of this merit based system the Secretary will allocate merit-based immigrant visas beginning on October 1, 2014 for employment-based visas that have been pending for three years, family-based petitions that were filed prior to enactment and have been pending for five years, long-term alien workers and other merit based immigrant workers.


ok so those who have an approved i 130 my parents have been waiting 10 years their priority date is in 2003 , will be able to adjust from october 1st 2014 ? according to this information ?

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From A-Money -- http://www.aila.org/content/default.aspx?docid=44052

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Wow reading initially through the legalization part, it certainly seems like we are being given a pretty good bill here. The only thing that could change this are amendments on the Senate floor. Things looking very bright here. I stopped reading when I saw under RPI status we will be able to travel and work for any employer. That's all we've been asking for. Looks like if things hold up we should become citizens in five years!

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Is the actual bill out yet

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What I don't get is that we will have To wait until 2018 to get RPI or as soon as it passes ....bc I want to enlist asap & this would have to make me wait 5 more yrs ...I wanna see how that other bill is going to be like

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It could longer. Look at the health reform its been years and most of its key elements don't take action until this year and the years to do for follow


Just because it passes and is enacted doesn't mean right away

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True, true, but hopefully if CIR passes DREAMers will be a more immediate thing, given that many of us are already under DACA, I imagine the process would be quicker, no?

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No that is absolutely ridiculous. We wouldn't have to wait for 5 years. I'm pretty sure the time frame will be very similar to DACA. This is an urgent issue. The rest of the parts of the bill will take time to implement but I think the initial RPI status won't take too long. I would say about 5 months for set up and another 5 months for approval. The entire process towards citizenship will be faster for Dreamers. Lets not get confused with the language.

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It would nice that daca approved people automatically approved for this. They could just upgrade our status and send us CPR cards

One can only dream

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so dream act kids get green card instantly? or they have to wait 5 year then get GC and citizenship.. I am confused

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That's what we don't know yet. One theory is first we get a conditional GC, after 5 years full GC and immediately able to apply for citizenship

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That would be heaven

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it seems they are using terms like instantly and immediately but I think they are using these terms just to compare how much faster the process will be for us. If you think about it, the other path is 10 years, plus w/e number of years it takes to say the border is secured, then 3 or 5 years after that for citizenship, so it could take as much as 20 years and is what experts are saying it will take for citizenship. While for dreamers, the process should take less than 5, CPR, GR, then 3 years, citizenship, we don't need border secure approval for our status to change. We will see how it is when it comes out today

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To clarify:

Dreamers will be give a CONDITIONAL GREEN CARD, so we don't chain legalize our families right away. The conditional provisions will be lifted after 5 years, however since the conditional green card also applies towards the 5-years wait time for citizenship, we will be able to apply for them together.

Note that this is speculation but it seems like the most reasonable interpretation.

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It all depends on their definition of "Dream Act Eligible"

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yes, under our current immigration laws, however, don't forget this comprensive immigration reform is just not about fixing the status of people here with out authorization but reforming our immigration, they could well change this.

We will have to wait until 3 today to find out of all our speculations were correct

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That would be a good idea. We have have already sent in documentation proving our presence going back to five years and done biometrics. I dont mind repaying the application fee.

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me neither, if they told me, just an application and fee and you are good, that would be a dream come true but lets see how it turns out

can't wait hopefully users like IamaMan can benefit from this!!

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where do you guys see CONDITIONAL GREEN CARD? It says clearly we will get green cards in 5 years. From my assessment, it seems like we will be RPI just like our parents. RPI seems like a CGC anyways. We can travel and work.

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Because the more stuff is coming out, the more it starting to look exactly like the previous Dream Acts?

I wouldn't be surprise if they outline just copy and pasted the Dream Act into this changing it a little bit


We are not certain for sure obviously, its all talk and speculation

we wont know until later today

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So at what time is the bill coming out?

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3:45 edt

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"A noncitizen granted registered provisional immigrant status under this section shall be considered lawfully present in the United States for all purposes"

This is what I'm talking about, which mean enlistment is a choice right after RPI is given.