what does you family think?
 

I'm so frustrated with my mother right now, she really brings me down. She's been encouraging me to leave the country already because she thinks nothing is going to pass. Is your family supportive or do they try to hammer into you to give up? she says that if CIR failed, Dream will fail as well. I can't stand her anymore.

what can you expect. She is a woman.
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nah dude, I'm just messing. Yeah, I am sure we all feel that way sometimes. I've heard the same from my parents too.

Just gotta keep on keeping on. Get it?

meh, Hope is on the horizon.

My parents tell me to stop blaming them for bringing me here. It is the best thing they ever did for me.............

Thanks mom and dad. Sarcastically

LOL ^ I thought I was the only one...

LoL. Just wait a few more years at max. Kennedy stated that this is the new Civil Rights movement. I believe the time is near.

nah, a few more weeks.


FAITH.

You should tell her how you feel, and how her attitude is bringing you down.

My family is supportive, and my mom and I talk daily about the chances of DREAM. Sometimes, I think, it annoys her, but I think she knows that this is my way of coping. I was also really depressed during the months after my graduation (Dec. 06) and before the CIR debate. I snapped out of it, though, but I wish I hadn't said some things and hadn't been so glum during that time.

My mom hopes that at least DREAM wil pass. She has more faith than I do.

Same with my mom, she has no hope for CIR, she says that even if it passes, she wouldn't apply for it. But she sometimes gets tired of me talking about it so much.

Ahh yes, I know that feeling. Graduated but futile. Depressed but willing. I graduated March '06 and scrambled after to find sponsors. It turns out that I wasn't even eligible even though I found a company willing to do so. I must say that this country's immigration policy is among the strictist but I'm glad I found a place where people understand how I feel. I don't know if you know this song by Immortal Technique. It's called "I Phantom." It truly expresses, at least in my opinion, how we feel. Let's cope together and keep our DREAM alive. I phantom.

Oops it's by Mr. Lif. My bads. lol.

honestly, sometimes i hope my mother can encourage me to leave the country.

I would leave the country if Dream Act doesn't definitely pass. But I can't leave the country knowing there's a chance that it will pass.
That's why I was so pissed on Wednesday, because these people just keep putting it off all year long and don't allow us to make other plans and draw a firm conclusion. They should tell us Yes or No, then I can gladly leave the country.

A friend of my mother's left the country back in 1986 two months before the anmesty was enacted because she didn't believe it was going to come about, and look what happened.

It's fate. If you're not meant to have US citizenship, it will never pass as long as you're here and will pass once you leave.

wow so i say lets kick out those who fate hasn't chosen... so that way it happens.
haha.
kidding.
<3.

people can be kind of pessimistic about it... its better to not get your hopes up i guess... that way when things dont happen youre not that dissapointed..
My view on it is that, wherever you are, if youre meant to live a happy, succesful life, you will live it wether youre here or in canada, or in some other country.
theres a rocky road ahead and times will be hard, stay strong =], dont lose hope.
its the best you can do.
my 2 cents.

i dont meant youre pessimistic Ready_to_serve, just clearing that up =].
i mean most people in general can be rather pessimistic about immigration issues.

My father is trying to force me out and move back to Europe.. I keep telling him, with my luck when i leave Dream Act would pass a week after i leave

! you better leave then!

the needs of the many outweighs the need of the one

seriously...stick around. Personally I'm thinking about Canada for grad school/rest of life. But I'm going to stick around just a bit longer after I graduate in December to see if this Dream Act tree bears fruit

My dad is incredibly depressed about the entire thing. He still thinks DREAM has a big chance of happening but I think he only says it so my brothers and I don't get so down.

My mom doesn't even want to talk about CIR, DREAM, or anything concerning immigration. If you do, she starts slamming things. lol.

Both have pretty much laid all the cards on the table: either start looking for another country that will accept you or get married. They prefer us doing the former but are pushing for the latter since they know all three of us want to stay.

Canada is going to be tough sell if you decide to apply.England & Australia also appear to have the same rules concerning this matter if you decided to apply but usually Canada & the U.S share immigration data under NAFTA but not with the two former countries for obvious reasons.England has also proposed a plan with the United States to share its immigration data bilaterally,but I'm not sure if the United States has except.
Nevermind,waaay OT,but just showcasing the problems with some of the options if someone does decide to take the advice of their family in leaving the country.

Some of my family in other countries have suggested staying due to the fact that they themselves are looking for a way to emigrate to the United states since many of the other countries have much higher tariffs than here & less jobs such as Canada & in England the threat of local terrorism & influx of Eastern Europeans has much of the country on edge.My family here are behind me on staying.

exactly ianus, my family wants me to stay no matter what. Whoever thinks they can easily move to another country they are not citizens of after violating u.s immigration laws is sadly mistaking. Even though my sister has her temp greencard because she is married to a citizen and she has a u.s citizen child, she was denied a visitors visa to the uk just because they said at one point if she didn't obey u.s immigration laws they don't trust she could obey theirs.

where country are you from David?

My parents are really supportive. They keep telling me that there is a solution to every problem. To be honest, I feel the same way my parents do. I am going to stick around for as long as I can. At the very minimum, I will stick around until I get my PhD. Until then, I will "dream" and do my best to help pass some sort of friendly immigration legislation. :)

hey man I personally know an undocumented california student that made his way to canada by applying to grad school and attending there.

Like many grad schools, the tuition is covered by the department and he also has a stipend because he works for the school doing research.

He'll get his permanent residency papers in 3 years...that's what he told me

Ok I'm guessing it's a PhD program cuz only PhD programs in like the science fields (e.g. engineering, chemistry) actually cover the tuition. Now, how did he go about applying and the interview. I'm personally interested since I was also contemplating for grad school in Canada (pharmacy for my case). Just an option but who knows....some details would be nice grumpydreamer.

yes it's a science major...biochemistry i think

as for the interview part...I gotta ask him how he did it

I AGREE 100% that is exactly how my husband and I feel.. Sometimes I just want to leave and take our chances somewhere else but I worry that something would pass right after! I hate the NOT knowing.. if it's not gonna pass fine.. but I want to know NOW

leaving the country
 

I've been reading some of the posts in this section and it seems that some of us are considering emigrating to another country. I'd like to say that the United States has one of the most liberal immigration policies in the entire world. This may sound wrong to some or all of you but I assure you that it is. If you look at U.S. history, there have been periods where the country became very restrictive but over the past three decades, U.S. immigration policy has eased. Consider the introduction of the Diversity Visa program, the NACARA act, and a host of other measures designed to bring new immigrants into this country.

The backbone of legal immigration into this country remains through family or labor channels but visitor visas, student visas, investor visas are all, much easier to receive for immigration into the U.S. than any other nation. Canada is probably the only country with a more liberal immigration policy than the U.S. mainly because its facing a population crisis and the country's economic growth is being stymied by a labor shortage.

Other countries like England, Germany, Brazil and Australia have much more restrictive immigration policies. For the large part, it is easier to emigrate via labor channels than any other means. Also, these countries are notorious for requiring extensive documentation in order to obtain employment. Its easier to go on welfare than work in these countries, whereas in the U.S., it is easier to go to work than on welfare.

My advice is to give this country a chance. Its immigration policy is onerous and bureaucratic but fundamentally recognizes the greatness of the immigrant spirit. DREAM is going to pass whether it be now or later. I know its hard and frustrating. I'm an undocumented student who has just graduated college so I know all about hopes and dreams being crushed by reality. We will be recognized and the American public is very supportive of our cause. I've talked to many of my citizen friends who come from a wide variety of regions, from the conservative South to the liberal Northeast. Almost all of them think that the DREAM Act is a great measure. Their belief is that children who've lived here since a very young age and who have grown up and have been educated here are as much Americans as they are.

The American people are a very good and wholesome people. Ultimately, we all believe in family unity and values. We can't witness nor condone any policy that seeks to separate families or deport our friends who've lived in this country for their entire lives.

Re: leaving the country
 

Your words bring me much needed hope