ICE to step up enforcement at the work-site
 

I know there has been a lot of bad news lately but I think everyone should take a look at this.The Bush Administration looks as though it will be taking the gloves off ICE since the compromise fell apart.Specifically,DHS seems to be proposing a new more aggressive rule with regard to mis-matched Name & Social Security numbers.I'm just letting everyone know to be careful,since this is the closest we have gotten to Dream act's passage.

Does this mean deporation and raids or just a crackdown and fines on employers???
THANKS FOR POSTING THIS

I believe it could be an iteration of both.If you really think about it if someone has a questionable SS number they can be fired on the spot.I also realized that during the CIR debate there weren't that many major ICE raids,I'm just letting everyone know to prepare for the worst just in case.

Ianus, what you mean there has been bad news?
I haven't heard any.

I meant the failure of attaching Dream act to the DoD bill when Reid pulled the bill so suddenly & also to the Education funding bill.

Ugh I know!
Can you say "roller-coaster??"

Well, the Dream will be attach this Sept. to the DOD. Lets have faith that this will happen.
This has to happen.

What we need to be worrying about is getting the 60 votes.. That means even calling during recess people !
Do you want to be 2 or 3 votes short and have to live with THAT guilt ???

FrankV, as Tasksgirl has mentioned we cannot take these votes for granted.I believe there are a solid 49 votes currently for Dream being added to the bill but I think we'll need to certify at least a dozen more Senators to be safe.

It looks to be VERY close vote to get the necessary 60.

I agree I think it's going to be VERY close.

i dont know but im assuming that hardcore anti amnesty people like hucthison and cornyn from texas also support the dream act, am i right?

I called Hutchinson earlier today..
I was told she's listening to her constiuents and waiting for calls to hear what people say. She's "Undecided"
She could be an important vote.. I think we can get her. She's a woman surely she can be affected by Juan's sad story :lol:

I hope the Dream act passes in September. This looks to be our last opportunity to get this come true. And after reading that news about ICE, i'm really worried about my job...!!! I'm a full time employee and they offer tuition Reinbursment, all I'm waiting is to get a Good SS # to start college and take advantage of this. I really hope Dream Act gets passed...God Help us!

u know if you get legal you have to quit your current job right??

Not really. Of course..the SS# i'm using is fake. BUt i'm working under my name..when I become legal, all I need to do is Change my SS #. there are a thousand of excuses to use to do that...I'm just waiting for the Dream Act. This seems to be the only opportunity we have to become legal for now.

wait so are all in trouble or just people with fake ss numbers? If someone overstayed their visa and still has their legal ss, could they be possible fired?

I think it's just the people who is working with fake SS#'s. Because just after the fiscal year..IRS sends letters to those whose numbers are not matching their database. They do that to post their current earnings to the right person. Now with that new enforcement they will make employers fix every issue, if not, the employee has to leave the company.

Ok thanks, still bad that they are cracking down like this, with no cir.

Yes...I'm afraid many people will lose their jobs. That's messed up now.

Just to correct you there,It would be the Social Security Administration not the IRS that sends out the no-match letters.

The rules also haven't been published publicly as well so no one can say for sure what the Administration will be doing.The article mentions that the new rules will apply if your name or social security number has been flagged by the Social Security Administration through the use of W-2 forms.According to what the article is saying it looks as though if you name or SS number is not in the government database you can be fired on the spot.

Yes, sorry for that. not the IRS, it's the Social Security Administration Office.

So...What about the people who file taxes under the ITIN?? but work with a fake SS#. Does it still apply?

I love the IRS. They don't care whether you are legal or not, just pay taxes. If you are not eligible for a SSN then get a ITIN.

Basically saying, "We know you are not suppose to be here, We know you are not suppose to work, but since you are working PAY taxes"

[q] I love the IRS. They don't care whether you are legal or not, just pay taxes. If you are not eligible for a SSN then get a ITIN.

Basically saying, "We know you are not supposed to be here, We know you are not supposed to work, but since you are working PAY taxes"

[/q]


There are only two things certain in this world, death and taxes.

Strange question since if you have an ITIN number you don't need a Social security number.If a person worked with a fake SS# & place it on their W-2 they could most likely be fired under this new rule since some employers have mentioned they do not want to pay the fines.It looks like the rule will dictate that if there is ANY discrepancy in your name &/or your SS number then it will be mandatory for the employer to fire the employee or the company doing business could face stiff fines.

This new article mentions that millions of these no-match letters are sent out to employers every year.This will not only be a problem for the undocumented but also U.S. citizens as well.Interestingly,the article also mentions that Dream act & Agjobs might have amassed enough support for passage.

Ianus, I ready enjoy your work and research on Dream and Immigration overall.
I'm going to miss ya when this undocumented status ends for all of us. :D
I'm always staying positive even when I dont see a light in the tunnel. :)
Dream will pass!

Ditto.
I think DREAM WILL PASS!!!!!

While calling senators yesterday, I could hear a lot of optimism from staffers, specially from Specter's office.

You forgot one more: death, taxes, & CHANGE

Wow. This happened to me. I had to quit my job last week. :cry:

Why did you quit? this hasen't taken effect yet!. That was just an article and they don't know if they are going to do that because many companies are complaining that they are taking up over gov's job.

Wrong.


I got one of these letters from the Social Security Admin. and it stated that I MUST go to the offices to fix whatever was wrong with my number. I couldn't go for obvious reasons, but the letter stated that my employment had to be terminated in about 14 or so days if I do not go to the office to fix it. I have the letter laying around somewhere. This is in effect, and I think always has been though they're getting stricter with it now it seems.

Wait Wait Wait!!! So if you overstayed your visa But you got a good SS# you can still work and not get deported because they find information about you???

ICE enforcement
 

The Social Security Administration's "No-Match letters" program was created to ensure that employment credit would be given to the right person, so that he/she could claim Social Security benefits in the future. The process works like this:

The IRS reviews every taxpayer's W-2s and sends them to the SSA so that SSA can give appropriate employment credit. When SSA receives a W-2, first thing it does is checks the social security number and the name of the employee on the W-2 form. If the SSA's database has the social security number with the same name as on the W-2 form, the SSA reviews the wages, taxes, etc. and assigns employment credit to that person.

The SSA sends out a No-Match Letter if any of three possible scenarios occur:

1. The social security number on the W-2 form exists in SSA's database but the name associated with it is different from the
W-2 form.

or

2. The name exists in the Social Security database but it has a different number assigned to it than what appears on the W-2
form. This is just the reverse of Scenario #1.

or

3. The name doesn't exist in the SSA database.

or

4. The number doesn't exist in the SSA database.

Scenario #3 isn't too big of a concern. SSA asks if the name has a ITIN (Individual Taxpayer Identification Number) assigned to it. If it does, then SSA just records the wages, taxes, etc. under the ITIN.

The most significant concern and the largest reason for "no-match" letters is if the number and names don't match. This can happen for a number of reasons such as SSA failed to update a changed social security number, the number was incorrectly reported on the W-2 form etc. No-match letters are not meant to be used as immigration enforcement tools. In fact, these letters explicitly say that they are not meant for immigration purposes. The letters also mention that the employer must not take adverse action against the employee because it received a no-match letter.

The most worrisome for some of us is Scenario #4. The Social security administration believes that its database has an overabundance of numbers. It doesn't readily believe that a particular number doesn't exist in its database. So when it comes across a number that doesn't exist, it flags it and investigates further. One of the consequences of this investigation is that SSA reports the incident to ICE.

If you applied for and received a Social security number under your correct and full name and have never changed it since, then most likely you're okay. On your W-2, your name and SS# will match what SSA has in their database.

If you don't have a SS# or are using a fake one and working, I strongly recommend applying for a ITIN and using that in your job. At least then, the government has an identifying number for you and it would be less likely for you to receive a no-match letter.

how do you get an ITIN number

Check this out:

http://www.nilc.org/immsemplymnt/SSA..._july_2006.pdf

ITIN Info:

http://www.irs.gov/individuals/artic...=96287,00.html

On the I-9, checking the Citizen/National box (falsely claiming US citizenship) would make you permanently barred from adjusting status. So does that mean people are using fake cards and A numbers when they check the Permanent Resident box?

http://www.immigrationlinks.com/news/news938.htm

From immigration lawyer Greg Siskind's blog:

Illegal Immigrants: Uncle Sam Wants You

do you really think they are gonna fire, (including me and probably you), millions and millions of undocumented people?

Aren't they thinking about the impact its gonna have on the economy? how the hell are companies gonna hire people who are not willing to work for little money like we do.

My words exactly.

that proby because you guys are working where thay do check the status, for example when i worked at wal-mart my boss came up to me and told me i had to fix my ss or i will get fired in 60 days so i quit

This is going to bite them in the ass. Here in California we already have a huge deficiency of workers, especially in the agricultural sector. The gov. is going to lose a whole lotta money.