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Ianus 07-23-2013 05:08 PM
House Republicans: Dreamers Might Get Citizenship, Parents Shouldn't
 
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_3641266.html
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WASHINGTON -- House Republicans made clear on Tuesday that some are open to allowing Dreamers, the young undocumented immigrants who came to the country as children, to become citizens. Their parents, though, may be left out in the cold.

"I do not believe that parents who made the decision to illegally enter the U.S. while forcing their children to join them should be afforded the same treatment as these kids," Judiciary Committee Chairman Bob Goodlatte (R-Va.) said at an immigration subcommittee hearing. "Because let's be clear -- parents bringing their young children to the U.S. illegally is not something we want to encourage."

The hearing comes after Goodlatte and Republican Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-Va.) announced they are working on a bill, tentatively named the KIDS Act, to offer Dreamers a path to citizenship. The legislators haven't yet released any details of their bill, including the cutoff age for Dreamers and what would be required for children to secure citizenship.

While the bill is still just a concept, it's already receiving praise and criticism from both sides -- particularly from Democrats who say the piecemeal approach is unfair and calling it a smokescreen for Republicans' refusal to address the broader undocumented population.

Dreamers have already rejected the idea of Congress addressing them and not their families. Rosa Velázquez, a Dreamer and advocate with United We Dream, said during testimony at the hearing that her mother, Rosalinda, deserves an opportunity to earn citizenship.

"Do we really want to ignore the values that history has taught us by giving our parents 'sit at the back of the bus'- type of legalization?" she asked.

Spanish-language newspaper La Opinion published a scathing editorial earlier on Tuesday criticizing the KIDS Act, which Obama adviser Dan Pfeiffer posted to Twitter with the comment, "La Opinion nails the cruel hypocrisy of the GOP immigration plan: allow some kids to stay but deport their parents." Obama has said that immigration reform should be comprehensive.

Rep. Joe Garcia (D-Fla.), a member of the committee, did not close the door on Democrats voting against the KIDS Act to demand a comprehensive approach.

"If the Dreamers have the courage to stand up against this farcical piece of legislation, which of course prevents their pathway forward, we have to have the courage and vision to do what's right for our nation and to make sure that we have a solution to the immigration problem and not a legislative gimmick," he said at a press conference Tuesday with Dreamers and advocacy groups.

At the hearing, Republicans seemed to disagree that it was a gimmick. Rep. Cory Gardner (R-Colo.), appearing as a witness, spoke strongly against any legalization for undocumented young people that included or led to citizenship for their parents.

"Any legislation that would address these children would need to be solely for the benefit of the child, and no one else," Gardner said. "It cannot elicit chain migration. ... While these children remain innocent, we cannot reward those family members who have broken the law."

It is not even certain that the yet-to-be-drafted KIDS Act could gain majority support among Republicans, meaning if Democrats decided to vote against it, it might not pass at all. The Dream Act, which would address undocumented young people, received only eight Republican votes in favor and 160 against when it passed in the House in 2010. More recently, House Republicans voted to defund an Obama-administration program that allows undocumented young people reprieve from deportation.

You wouldn't necessarily know it from the hearing, however; it was stocked with largely pro-reform witnesses. The members who spoke -- Gardner, along with Reps. Luis Gutierrez (D-Ill.), Mike Coffman (R-Colo.) and Jeff Denham (R-Calif.) -- are all either supporters of reform or considered persuadable on the issue. Each representative spoke positively about legalizing undocumented young people, either through the KIDS Act or a bill to allow legal status through military service.

Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa), a Judiciary Committee member, said in his opening statement that he would have liked to hear more views against the bill during testimony. He made up for the witness's openness to legalization by restating his strong opposition. He said he expected witnesses to justify their support by saying, ""We'll just do this little sliver here because this one tugs at our heart."

"It tugs at my heart, too," he continued. "But I listen to the subcommittee chairman's statement and it says he wants to remedy that will last a lifetime. I think we have a higher responsibility than that. I think we have to preserve the rule of law so that this country can last many many generations into the future."

King told Newsmax last week that Dreamers shouldn't be legalized because many are drug smugglers.

"For everyone who's a valedictorian, there's another 100 out there that weigh 130 pounds and they’ve got calves the size of cantaloupes because they're hauling 75 pounds of marijuana across the desert,” he said. “Those people would be legalized with the same act."

Beyond whether a Dream Act-style bill could pass, there was some indication from witnesses that Republicans are more willing to look at legalization for undocumented young people who want to join the military. Coffman and Denham both focused on would-be military service members in their testimonies, rather than undocumented immigrants who hope to go to college or find other work.

"There's no better way than putting your life on the line for this country to become an American citizen," Denham said.

Gutierrez expressed hope during his testimony that his colleagues would come around to the idea of broader legalization options for undocumented immigrants.

"I am optimistic that once you take one step towards justice, you will take a second one, and a third and as many steps as it takes," he said. "I want us all to walk there together. Once you see that standing up for young and talented immigrants feels good and right, you will want to stand also for the parents who raised and nurtured them."

2Face 07-23-2013 05:24 PM
Re: House Republicans: Dreamers Might Get Citizenship, Parents Shouldn't
 
LMFAO. These Representatives who think Dreamers should be the only ones given "citizenship" are traitors to this country and their constituents. The truth is deep inside they know they do not even have a draft let alone a bill for this so called "KIDS ACT' They are just hoping to earn few immigrant voters by "supporting" the Dreamers. They already know that the Dreamers will reject this bill. Hence it is the perfect opportunity for them to come out and say, "look we tried to pass it, you guys and the Democrats rejected it..so vote for us now" They're all backstabbers. I feel bad for the regular American citizen. There's no reason to believe they are not using similar tactics with other legislation other than CIR.

dtrt09 07-23-2013 06:26 PM
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Nonsense - one doesn't preclude the other; they simply have different merits. Comparing apples to oranges arbitrarily and needlessly.

As usual, if it doesn't make sense, the politicians are all for it.

sammy123 07-23-2013 06:55 PM
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totally unfair. our parents work hard. without them, they wont have low skill workers. the same ppl who work in restaurants, farms, factories, cleaners, etc all for low paid job. and never asks for much. everything that americans rely on. our parents deserve every right to be american citizen

Tonyhasadream 07-23-2013 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by sammy123 (Post 501543)
totally unfair. our parents work hard. without them, they wont have low skill workers. the same ppl who work in restaurants, farms, factories, cleaners, etc all for low paid job. and never asks for much. everything that americans rely on. our parents deserve every right to be american citizen
Watch it! I was told to F my dad and get the F off this forum for thinking like you lol

VeryNicePerson1 07-23-2013 07:13 PM
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...smh...

Pianoswithoutfaith 07-23-2013 07:15 PM
Re: House Republicans: Dreamers Might Get Citizenship, Parents Shouldn't
 
so what happened in the other thread?

kabs 07-23-2013 07:48 PM
Re: House Republicans: Dreamers Might Get Citizenship, Parents Shouldn't
 
Ok, one thing... Republicans know that they need more bodies in the military and what way to do it than to conscript undocumented youth who desperately want to stay in this country by granting citizenship for those who serve only.

I do believe that there are those who join the military because they want to fight for their country (us included), but the military seizes on opportunities and targets people who may not have that many other options in life and heavily recruits in those areas. Unfortunately, serving during or even after serving in the military, there's not a lot of support for them (beyond words of thanks/support).

So I'm incredibly wary about this turn in conversation. Not for my sake per se, but I'm very skeptical about the agenda here.

Tonyhasadream 07-23-2013 07:55 PM
Re: House Republicans: Dreamers Might Get Citizenship, Parents Shouldn't
 
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Originally Posted by Pianoswithoutfaith (Post 501552)
so what happened in the other thread?
I said i didn't consider this good news because my dad would be excluded just like the rest of our parents and i guess it pissed many selfish people off. I think the dude that told me to F my dad got banned.

Pianoswithoutfaith 07-23-2013 07:58 PM
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oh yeah of course when the time comes lots of dreamers will start to push people away so they can get theirs

Tonyhasadream 07-23-2013 08:04 PM
Re: House Republicans: Dreamers Might Get Citizenship, Parents Shouldn't
 
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Originally Posted by Pianoswithoutfaith (Post 501572)
oh yeah of course when the time comes lots of dreamers will start to push people away so they can get theirs
Well the funny thing is they started an argument for nothing, nobody even knows half of the details nor the age cap and they felt like i was trying to take something from them.

Pianoswithoutfaith 07-23-2013 08:32 PM
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Don't forget some dreamers have parents who are legal so they don't care about other peoples parents

2Face 07-23-2013 08:45 PM
Re: House Republicans: Dreamers Might Get Citizenship, Parents Shouldn't
 
We as DAPers and most importantly DREAMers need to get our priorities in check. We can not be sidetracked from the main goal. We must as Obama mentioned have our eyes set on the destined horizon knowing that providence is with us. The main goal is CIR that will include our entire family. Just think about this Republican "push" for KIDS Act for a second. What exactly will this accomplish? Not to mention the timing of it. We already have been granted the right to work and drive by means of DACA. There is absolutely no no no point of this KIDS Act. The Republicans are absolutely taking the steam away from our momentum after passing CIR in the Senate. It is a totally absurd way of making the Democrats and all of us look like losers. Besides, they do not even have a DRAFT of this BS Kids Act. I really just do not know how much more to describe how absurd it is because I don't have the analytical talent of a political commentator but I just hope all of you catch this drift or already are on the same page. They're trying to kill CIR and they're half way there! SMH man..Our families are totally done if there is no CIR this year.

IamAman 07-23-2013 09:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Pianoswithoutfaith (Post 501572)
oh yeah of course when the time comes lots of dreamers will start to push people away so they can get theirs
I for one would gladly push all of your fathers under the bus (figuratively) if it means getting a green card.

Pianoswithoutfaith 07-23-2013 09:26 PM
Re: House Republicans: Dreamers Might Get Citizenship, Parents Shouldn't
 
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Originally Posted by IamAman (Post 501610)
I for one would gladly push all of your fathers under the bus (figuratively) if it means getting a green card.

Then theres IamAman who would gladly push our under the bus figuratively or so he says

Pianoswithoutfaith 07-23-2013 09:33 PM
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Originally Posted by 2Face (Post 501593)
They're trying to kill CIR and they're half way there! SMH man..Our families are totally done if there is no CIR this year.

These people from the start have been meaning to kill any and all chances for a CIR. I figured this out when the Senate announce theirs and soon the House announce something else. They only did that to stall for time. 6 months later, NO BILL MADE YET. No leaks, no nothing, everything has been speculation, nothing forward. The more they stall it the more they don't have to pass it because other issues will suddenly become important. Recently Boehner was asked questions and he dodged the hell out of those question. From the start, it was obvious these people didn't have an interest and the only reason they showed some small interests was from all the pressure they are getting from both internal entities and outside ones. Not only are they racist but they have made it clear they fear hispanics will vote them out and just want to protect their spots.

At this point getting just a bill with a legal status that grants us and our parents the ability to work, get a license and travel while protecting that status seems to be getting harder and harder.

I bet you even IF the was a giant 50 meter all wall guarding the borders of this country, these baby boomers would still find a reason not pass a bill granting citizenship or even GC.

chlehqls 07-23-2013 09:33 PM
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CIR is the goal and always has been.

Anything else is a distraction and a "lowball" offer from the opponents of CIR, it'd be stupid to agree to what they want first without staunch negotiations. The GOP are essentially throwing out "feelers" to the immigration base to see what they bite and what they refuse. It'd be foolish to agree to the first offer.

Tonyhasadream 07-23-2013 09:51 PM
Re: House Republicans: Dreamers Might Get Citizenship, Parents Shouldn't
 
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Originally Posted by IamAman (Post 501610)
I for one would gladly push all of your fathers under the bus (figuratively) if it means getting a green card.
Good luck to you, we all know what awaits people like you. I can calmly read this with a grin on my face because i am a big believer in karma.

Ianus 07-23-2013 09:53 PM
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Hmmm,What if the House passes a variant of Dream act through their piecemeal process and the GOP simply refuses to go to conference with the Senate in the 113th if politics upset everything due to mid-terms?

We'd have some variation of Dream passed both Houses but no way to become law.I think Dream advocates and Dreamers need to be careful concerning this particular circumstance if some Dems are warning about the whole legislate to stalemate issue.

alexandernigth 07-23-2013 10:05 PM
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Originally Posted by 2Face (Post 501593)
We as DAPers and most importantly DREAMers need to get our priorities in check. We can not be sidetracked from the main goal. We must as Obama mentioned have our eyes set on the destined horizon knowing that providence is with us. The main goal is CIR that will include our entire family. Just think about this Republican "push" for KIDS Act for a second. What exactly will this accomplish? Not to mention the timing of it. We already have been granted the right to work and drive by means of DACA. There is absolutely no no no point of this KIDS Act. The Republicans are absolutely taking the steam away from our momentum after passing CIR in the Senate. It is a totally absurd way of making the Democrats and all of us look like losers. Besides, they do not even have a DRAFT of this BS Kids Act. I really just do not know how much more to describe how absurd it is because I don't have the analytical talent of a political commentator but I just hope all of you catch this drift or already are on the same page. They're trying to kill CIR and they're half way there! SMH man..Our families are totally done if there is no CIR this year.
True but is WISE DON'T GET THIS KIDS ACT?? AND AN EVENTUAL GC FOR THE REST? ANYBODY HERE CAN TELL ME THAN IN 2016 2020 2025 IS GONNA PASS A CIR. Is wise WAIT 10 OR 15 YEARS??

Tonyhasadream 07-23-2013 10:09 PM
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Originally Posted by alexandernigth (Post 501632)
True but is WISE DON'T GET THIS KIDS ACT?? AND AN EVENTUAL GC FOR THE REST? ANYBODY HERE CAN TELL ME THAN IN 2016 2020 2025 IS GONNA PASS A CIR. Is wise WAIT 10 OR 15 YEARS??
What? No hablo :-P

kabs 07-23-2013 10:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Tonyhasadream (Post 501624)
Good luck to you, we all know what awaits people like you. I can calmly read this with a grin on my face because i am a big believer in karma.
You guys need to leave IAmAMan alone. Most of this board is young and in school. Being older and undocumented is an ENTIRELY different ball game versus being an undocumented and in HS/College. I am qualified to say that. He's over 30 and has been through it longer than most of us. So yeah, even if I don't agree with his premise, I somewhat know how he feels. He wants to move on with his life. We suffered through a lot of the political nonsense of 2001, 2005, 2007, 2010.

I am concerned about my family too, but on my end, I've already lost 5 years of my life after I graduated that I can't get back. This life I have lived has been based on their decisions, not mine. So I understand how some Dreamers feel when they focus on the Dream Act only.

However, this whole KIDS Act is political posturing for them to claim they "did" something so they can blow it all up in the end. I don't agree with the piecemeal approach for many reasons. I also think if the Dream Act was tagged onto CIR, we'd probably have a greater ability to grandfather the older Dreamers that didn't qualify for DACA in.

Malign0n 07-23-2013 10:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Tonyhasadream (Post 501635)
What? No hablo :-P
What was that dude saying? Lol

freshh. 07-23-2013 10:45 PM
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Originally Posted by chlehqls (Post 501615)
CIR is the goal and always has been.

Anything else is a distraction and a "lowball" offer from the opponents of CIR, it'd be stupid to agree to what they want first without staunch negotiations. The GOP are essentially throwing out "feelers" to the immigration base to see what they bite and what they refuse. It'd be foolish to agree to the first offer.
Thank you.

They could have passed DREAM Act in 2010. Our situation is no different now than it was back then. They want to throw us something just to stop short of true immigration reform. If it was tied to some sort of legal status for our parents and non-DREAMers, I'd take them seriously. But, we all know the KIDS Act is a ploy.

Tonyhasadream 07-23-2013 11:24 PM
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Originally Posted by kabs (Post 501644)
You guys need to leave IAmAMan alone. Most of this board is young and in school. Being older and undocumented is an ENTIRELY different ball game versus being an undocumented and in HS/College. I am qualified to say that. He's over 30 and has been through it longer than most of us. So yeah, even if I don't agree with his premise, I somewhat know how he feels. He wants to move on with his life. We suffered through a lot of the political nonsense of 2001, 2005, 2007, 2010.

I am concerned about my family too, but on my end, I've already lost 5 years of my life after I graduated that I can't get back. This life I have lived has been based on their decisions, not mine. So I understand how some Dreamers feel when they focus on the Dream Act only.

However, this whole KIDS Act is political posturing for them to claim they "did" something so they can blow it all up in the end. I don't agree with the piecemeal approach for many reasons. I also think if the Dream Act was tagged onto CIR, we'd probably have a greater ability to grandfather the older Dreamers that didn't qualify for DACA in.



Soooo who is going to tell him to leave us alone? He feels like throwing our parents under the bus for personal gain but he is the victim? Good shit! Good luck to you too.

kabs 07-24-2013 01:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Tonyhasadream (Post 501656)
Soooo who is going to tell him to leave us alone? He feels like throwing our parents under the bus for personal gain but he is the victim? Good shit! Good luck to you too.
No, we're all victims. I'm not asking this to be mean, but how old are you? When you graduate AFTER college and do everything that you are supposed to, things are a whole lot more bleak and serious than when you can hide behind your classes and are poor like the rest of your classmates.

And while I care about my parents situation, the bottom line is that we are the hope and dream of our families. Many of us are going to be the people they rely on in the end because once you start working low wage jobs and get older, age discrimination is real and it's a lot harder for you to go to school and get aid. In the end, we'll be the ones supporting our families no matter how it shakes out.

Now, for the people who are more focused on the Dream Act and don't care about CIR. I understand their point of view even if I disagree. It was a bitter pill for many of them to swallow when all of us got DACA and they got left out. If you already spent more than half of your life waiting for immigration reform to pass and can't hide in school any longer, tell me ---- are you going to WANT to wait any longer especially when it looks like CIR is about to fail again for the fourth/fifth time? No.

DA User 07-24-2013 02:20 AM
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I think House will pass the Senate's version of Dream Act this month.

Happyman0607 07-24-2013 03:07 AM
Re: House Republicans: Dreamers Might Get Citizenship, Parents Shouldn't
 
Path to citizenship for 11 million or go fuck yourself.

zone2oo0 07-24-2013 03:22 AM
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If the DREAM ACT should pass, then we can help out parents down the road. DUH.

Pianoswithoutfaith 07-24-2013 03:31 AM
Re: House Republicans: Dreamers Might Get Citizenship, Parents Shouldn't
 
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Originally Posted by zone2oo0 (Post 501735)
If the DREAM ACT should pass, then we can help out parents down the road. DUH.
If the Senates version of the dream acts passes then yes but I get the feeling these house people will do everything they can from preventing this

IamAman 07-24-2013 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Tonyhasadream (Post 501624)
Good luck to you, we all know what awaits people like you. I can calmly read this with a grin on my face because i am a big believer in karma.
Oh no! Karma! I might have to be here for 27 years without getting legal! I might have to watch people who have been here for 4 years get DACA...that would suck. Oh wait all that has happened so I think karma owes me.

And again, your fathers came here on their own. If I had to choose between me getting papers or nobody getting papers, I'd pick me. Who knows how many more years CIR will take so unless the whole "it's 11 million people or nothing" crowd is bluffing, I'd say screw them and question why they're here. This is the Dream Act forum, not "Everybodywhoeverjumpedafenceoroverstayedavisaorfeltlikebreakingtherulesonpurpose.info

So yeah, tell karma to do its worse...By the way feel free to return your DACA since it didn't include your father.

VeryNicePerson1 07-24-2013 01:15 PM
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Easy guys, everyone has very strong valid points, and each individual is different...lets just try to take it easy.

Things are getting heated again over this CIR/Dream Act drama, we need to be steady and hope for the best.

freshh. 07-24-2013 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by VeryNicePerson1 (Post 501847)
Easy guys, everyone has very strong valid points, and each individual is different...lets just try to take it easy.

Things are getting heated again over this CIR/Dream Act drama, we need to be steady and hope for the best.
^This.

All of this and we haven't even seen a bill, yet. So, let's just all calm down and wait to see what is released before going at each other's throats, okay? Remember how DACA left some people out? Remember how STARS wanted us to put our lives on the line in the military for citizenship and it left our DREAMers who were unable to serve in the military? If KIDS Act is released and it isn't something that benefits any of us, all of this bickering will have been for nothing. And by that time, there's no telling who will have seen the forum.

Just a reminder, be respectful of each other or threads will continued to be closed and infractions will be handed out.

Tonyhasadream 07-24-2013 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by IamAman (Post 501820)
Oh no! Karma! I might have to be here for 27 years without getting legal! I might have to watch people who have been here for 4 years get DACA...that would suck. Oh wait all that has happened so I think karma owes me.

And again, your fathers came here on their own. If I had to choose between me getting papers or nobody getting papers, I'd pick me. Who knows how many more years CIR will take so unless the whole "it's 11 million people or nothing" crowd is bluffing, I'd say screw them and question why they're here. This is the Dream Act forum, not "Everybodywhoeverjumpedafenceoroverstayedavisaorfeltlikebreakingtherulesonpurpose.info

So yeah, tell karma to do its worse...By the way feel free to return your DACA since it didn't include your father.
You know what lets just agree to disagree, in the end we all want the same thing. Legalization

Pianoswithoutfaith 07-24-2013 02:09 PM
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Whoa you guys need to chill no need to be insulting other people.

IamAman 07-24-2013 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Pianoswithoutfaith (Post 501875)
Whoa you guys need to chill no need to be insulting other people.
I wasn't insulting anybody...you made the point earlier that even with all the tough talk, most people on here would jump over each other to get legal. I was honest and said I would be one of them.

Tonyhasadream 07-24-2013 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by IamAman (Post 501929)
I wasn't insulting anybody...you made the point earlier that even with all the tough talk, most people on here would jump over each other to get legal. I was honest and said I would be one of them.
Yeah he wasn't insulting anyone he was just just stating he wouldn't mind being a Judas

chopstix 07-24-2013 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by kabs (Post 501644)
You guys need to leave IAmAMan alone. Most of this board is young and in school. Being older and undocumented is an ENTIRELY different ball game versus being an undocumented and in HS/College. I am qualified to say that. He's over 30 and has been through it longer than most of us. So yeah, even if I don't agree with his premise, I somewhat know how he feels. He wants to move on with his life. We suffered through a lot of the political nonsense of 2001, 2005, 2007, 2010.

I am concerned about my family too, but on my end, I've already lost 5 years of my life after I graduated that I can't get back. This life I have lived has been based on their decisions, not mine. So I understand how some Dreamers feel when they focus on the Dream Act only.

However, this whole KIDS Act is political posturing for them to claim they "did" something so they can blow it all up in the end. I don't agree with the piecemeal approach for many reasons. I also think if the Dream Act was tagged onto CIR, we'd probably have a greater ability to grandfather the older Dreamers that didn't qualify for DACA in.
A PERSON you are talking to is obviously a just a naive kid. Regardless of what you are trying to get through his thick skull, he won't listen. Plus, THIS PERSON already got his DACA granted and he wants all his family to get legalized. He never had to go through 20 years of being undocumented for his/her parents fault. He's fresh in this biz, he will never understand. People like IamMan, DA User, and others who were left out in DACA probably doesn't really CARE if their parents are not included. It's their asses are on fire, not anyone else. It will be nice to see everyone to get legalized, but if it can't happen? SCREW it lets take something before we all have to leave this country. Its easy to say to some to include his/her parents or they won't support CIR. That is some selfish, COMMENT. We need CIR, yes, but if not then we need DREAM Act. Plus, if you young naive PEOPLE saying yes to CIR and SCREW DREAM Act, look back 2 DAMN years ago. You, including myself was crying for a status. A right to work and live like a normal human being. DREAM ACT is what we worked for even before 9/11. THIS IS DREAM PORTAL NOT CIR PORTAL. So you people who never had to deal 10+ years of shitty life in the real world, because of NO STATUS after graduating high school please be-quiet because your comments are absurd.
AGAIN, DREAM ACT is better than nothing at all.

PS. IS THIS GOOD ENOUGH FRESHH?

at least i'm flat out cursing at certain person, in the other hand, being sarcastic a-holes like what some are doing in this forum why don't you enforce them? are you kidding me right now?

chopstix 07-24-2013 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Pianoswithoutfaith (Post 501584)
Don't forget some dreamers have parents who are legal so they don't care about other peoples parents
It's not about caring for other peoples Parents.
It's about are WE going to get legalized or do WE wait another 10 years...
Did people really care about CIR before DACA in this forum? did I miss out on something?
Again, CIR will be awesome, but if no CIR WE NEED DREAM ACT!

freshh. 07-24-2013 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by chopstix (Post 501944)
A PERSON you are talking to is obviously a just a naive kid. Regardless of what you are trying to get through his thick skull, he won't listen. Plus, THIS PERSON already got his DACA granted and he wants all his family to get legalized. He never had to go through 20 years of being undocumented for his/her parents fault. He's fresh in this biz, he will never understand. People like IamMan, DA User, and others who were left out in DACA probably doesn't really CARE if their parents are not included. It's their asses are on fire, not anyone else. It will be nice to see everyone to get legalized, but if it can't happen? SCREW it lets take something before we all have to leave this country. Its easy to say to some to include his/her parents or they won't support CIR. That is some selfish, COMMENT. We need CIR, yes, but if not then we need DREAM Act. Plus, if you young naive PEOPLE saying yes to CIR and SCREW DREAM Act, look back 2 DAMN years ago. You, including myself was crying for a status. A right to work and live like a normal human being. DREAM ACT is what we worked for even before 9/11. THIS IS DREAM PORTAL NOT CIR PORTAL. So you people who never had to deal 10+ years of shitty life in the real world, because of NO STATUS after graduating high school please be-quiet because your comments are absurd.
AGAIN, DREAM ACT is better than nothing at all.

PS. IS THIS GOOD ENOUGH FRESHH?

at least i'm flat out cursing at certain person, in the other hand, being sarcastic a-holes like what some are doing in this forum why don't you enforce them? are you kidding me right now?
I enforce what I see and what is reported. If you have an issue with how I moderate, you are free to contact Nick.:-D


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