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Ianus 10-02-2013 06:47 PM

How Steve King Will [try to] Kill Immigration Reform
 
http://www.nationaljournal.com/congr...eform-20131002
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There's no telling when an immigration bill will come to the House floor, what it will say, or who will support it.

Only one thing's for sure: Steve King will vote no.

And he's not alone.

The Iowa Republican has organized a small but growing number of conservatives who are committed to voting against any House immigration bill – no matter what it says – because they fear that the Senate will inevitably find a way to add "amnesty" to the equation.

King won't say how many members he's got on board, except that it reached "fairly deeply" into the GOP caucus. Lobbyists say it's somewhere between 20 and 70 members. Even at the low end of that range, it's enough to prevent any Republican-led immigration bill from passing.

King's "immigration whip team" began in January
, when he learned that a group of House Republicans and Democrats were secretly negotiating an immigration bill that he was certain included a path to citizenship.

"I talked to Lou Barletta and said, 'We'd better prepare ourselves,'" he said.

The House's "Gang of Eight" has since splintered, with little chance of its carefully negotiated proposal making an impact in the broader immigration debate. But the House Judiciary Committee has readied four conservative immigration bills that make up the "piece-by-piece" solution to immigration, and the House Homeland Security Committee has completed work on a border security bill.

"I say to the sponsors, 'Paint for me a scenario by which any of these five pieces of legislation could become law without sacrificing the rule of law.' They're answer to me is, 'You're to help with that. You're to solve that,'" he said.

He solves it by saying no on everything.

King says he's supportive of the reform efforts in principle, but he says that they can only lead to a conference-committee compromise that he'd find unacceptable. "We'll lose in every scenario I can think of," he said. "There's nothing to be gained."

The core of King's "whip team" is relatively small, with Barletta and Mo Brooks, R-Ala., among them.

But Ira Mehlman, a spokesman for the Federation for American Immigration Reform, says there are a "significant number of members who are really concerned that anything that they come out with would be hijacked as a vehicle to push amnesty."

There has been no indication that the House will vote on any immigration legislation this fall beyond the statements of House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan, R-Wis., who said in July that the House would vote on immigration in October. That October window of opportunity was always narrow, however, and now it is likely that lawmakers will be preoccupied with a debt ceiling showdown next month instead.

From King's perspective, that's great. "Each day that has passed without floor action has been good for the rule of law and good for the rule of sovereignty," he said.

The Senate bill that passed in June included a 13-year path to citizenship for unauthorized immigrants that met certain criteria. It has been widely rejected by the House, with Speaker John Boehner instead seeking a "piece-by-piece" approach to the issue.

But Boehner has also been quiet about what he wants to do on immigration, spending most of his time assuring members of his caucus that they won't bow to the Senate position. King, by contrast, is one of the most outspoken members on immigration, who has more than once caught flack for using colorful language to make his point that illegal immigrants harm the country and contribute to crime. House Republicans publicly distanced themselves from him after he commented in July that many children of illegal immigrants are forced to work in the drug trade and have "calves the size of cantaloupes."

Yet even if his GOP colleagues are less inclined to talk about immigration, they tend to sympathize with King's views opposing any form of legalization. They also fear that business groups that favor a path to citizenship will pressure House leaders so much that they will agree to act on the issue.

It's theoretically possible for Boehner to get an immigration bill through the House without King and his compatriots.

The Homeland Security Committee's border security bill could bring some Democratic votes, particularly because they are discussing inserting it into a broader comprehensive immigration bill that would also include a path to citizenship. But GOP leaders cannot count on Democrats' assistance with just that bill because they also won't support any immigration legislation that doesn't include a path to citizenship.


King, for his part, is proud of his ability to give voice to concerns among his less outspoken colleagues. "Long been my role," he said. "If something cries out for attention and people are ignoring it, I will step up and do my best to turn it into an issue," he said.

Morrow 10-02-2013 07:17 PM

Re: How Steve King Will [try to] Kill Immigration Reform
 
According to many members here, there's nothing Steve King have to do, CIR is already dead.

2Face 10-02-2013 09:15 PM

Re: How Steve King Will [try to] Kill Immigration Reform
 
I could care less what Steve King thinks or what he will do. He did not provide for me and didn't pay my college tuition..neither did he do all that for anyone here...so why should we give a fuck what he thinks? Regardless..we will continue pursuing our dreamers. The electorate will take care of him one day for sure..by voting his racist ass out of office..

Pianoswithoutfaith 10-02-2013 10:45 PM

Re: How Steve King Will [try to] Kill Immigration Reform
 
he doesnt have too

Happyman0607 10-03-2013 10:47 AM

Re: How Steve King Will [try to] Kill Immigration Reform
 
How can you kill something that's already been dead?

Kristof 10-03-2013 11:06 AM

Re: How Steve King Will [try to] Kill Immigration Reform
 
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Originally Posted by Happyman0607 (Post 515335)
How can you kill something that's already been dead?

Revive it and kill it again.

Pluribus 10-03-2013 01:19 PM

Re: How Steve King Will [try to] Kill Immigration Reform
 
Or you could say you did, but not really done anything.

DA User 10-03-2013 02:18 PM

Re: How Steve King Will [try to] Kill Immigration Reform
 
I don't think this will matter. I think CIR will pass this month.

zone2oo0 10-03-2013 03:09 PM

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lol, lol very good optimism.

"Hey what the hell guis"

Cloudless 10-03-2013 10:55 PM

Re: How Steve King Will [try to] Kill Immigration Reform
 
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Originally Posted by Happyman0607 (Post 515335)
How can you kill something that's already been dead?

Don't you watch Zombie movies? Headshots do the trick.

Pianoswithoutfaith 10-04-2013 12:50 AM

Re: How Steve King Will [try to] Kill Immigration Reform
 
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Originally Posted by DA User (Post 515369)
I don't think this will matter. I think CIR will pass this month.

you think a CIR will pass even when they are on recess

Happyman0607 10-04-2013 01:10 AM

Re: How Steve King Will [try to] Kill Immigration Reform
 
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Originally Posted by Pianoswithoutfaith (Post 515424)
you think a CIR will pass even when they are on recess

President Obama could get on TV pissing on the bill and burning it and shed still be like CIR PASSING TOMOWWOWWW YOU GUISSS

danieltij 10-04-2013 02:28 AM

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Originally Posted by DA User (Post 515369)
I don't think this will matter. I think CIR will pass this month.

You said cir would pass at the end of september, it is now october. What happened?

DA User 10-04-2013 03:06 AM

Re: How Steve King Will [try to] Kill Immigration Reform
 
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Originally Posted by Pianoswithoutfaith (Post 515424)
you think a CIR will pass even when they are on recess

Congress is not on a recess.

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Originally Posted by Happyman0607 (Post 515426)
President Obama could get on TV pissing on the bill and burning it and shed still be like CIR PASSING TOMOWWOWWW YOU GUISSS

I did not say anything like that.

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Originally Posted by danieltij (Post 515429)
You said cir would pass at the end of september, it is now october. What happened?

I think October it is!

2Face 10-04-2013 09:42 AM

Re: How Steve King Will [try to] Kill Immigration Reform
 
DA User = Joe Biden..It makes sense. Dude is always laughing and jolly. Always optimistic..rain or shine.

Malign0n 10-04-2013 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by DA User (Post 515431)
=

I think October it is!

It's not even in the legislative calendar in the House of Representatives.

Happyman0607 10-04-2013 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by 2Face (Post 515455)
DA User = Joe Biden..It makes sense. Dude is always laughing and jolly. Always optimistic..rain or shine.

It's a front lol she's so angry and bitter she comes on here drooling and "predicting"

sabzon 10-04-2013 11:37 AM

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Why would any one listen to King? He compared immigrants to dogs and said we have legs the size of cantaloupes dragging 50 pounds of marijuana across the desert. Anything he says can be countered as coming from a crazy.

FinAnalyst 10-04-2013 12:26 PM

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King will do anything controversial to get some national coverage..

leo86 10-04-2013 12:34 PM

Re: How Steve King Will [try to] Kill Immigration Reform
 
You cannot kill what is already dead

DA User 10-04-2013 01:52 PM

Re: How Steve King Will [try to] Kill Immigration Reform
 
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Originally Posted by 2Face (Post 515455)
DA User = Joe Biden..It makes sense. Dude is always laughing and jolly. Always optimistic..rain or shine.

Have you seen the other thread? There is a bill. October has been the talks of the town.

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Originally Posted by Malign0n (Post 515459)
It's not even in the legislative calendar in the House of Representatives.

That does not matter. Anything can happen.

danieltij 10-04-2013 02:14 PM

Re: How Steve King Will [try to] Kill Immigration Reform
 
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Originally Posted by 2Face (Post 515455)
DA User = Joe Biden..It makes sense. Dude is always laughing and jolly. Always optimistic..rain or shine.

Maybe saying cir will pass every month is the only thing keeping her sane.

Cloudless 10-04-2013 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by danieltij (Post 515499)
Maybe saying cir will pass every month is the only thing keeping her sane.

Yeah, but her saying it will pass every month is driving us insane.

Severity 10-04-2013 09:51 PM

Re: How Steve King Will [try to] Kill Immigration Reform
 
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Originally Posted by Happyman0607 (Post 515426)
President Obama could get on TV pissing on the bill and burning it and shed still be like CIR PASSING TOMOWWOWWW YOU GUISSS

You made me laugh hard lol

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Originally Posted by Cloudless (Post 515508)
Yeah, but her saying it will pass every month is driving us insane.

Come on son, you should know better by now.

DA User 10-04-2013 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by danieltij (Post 515499)
Maybe saying cir will pass every month is the only thing keeping her sane.

Not every month. I think I am confident it will be October.

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Originally Posted by Cloudless (Post 515508)
Yeah, but her saying it will pass every month is driving us insane.

How can I help you?

Happyman0607 10-05-2013 02:32 AM

Re: How Steve King Will [try to] Kill Immigration Reform
 
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Originally Posted by DA User (Post 515572)
Not every month. I think I am confident it will be October.



How can I help you?

Listen here Bertha. Nothing is passing October. If we're lucky maybe they'll pass gas.. Other than that, wishful thinking.

DA User 10-05-2013 02:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Happyman0607 (Post 515593)
Listen here Bertha. Nothing is passing October. If we're lucky maybe they'll pass gas.. Other than that, wishful thinking.

Let's be realistic here. Have you seen the news lately? There have been talks to pass CIR in October. They have been working in closed doors.

Pianoswithoutfaith 10-05-2013 03:03 AM

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you were literally posting the same thing when they were on recess

your gimmick is breaking apart

Would you like further information?

Pluribus 10-05-2013 03:14 AM

Re: How Steve King Will [try to] Kill Immigration Reform
 
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Originally Posted by DA User (Post 515598)
Let's be realistic here. Have you seen the news lately? There have been talks to pass CIR in October. They have been working in closed doors.

They've been saying that for the past, um I don't know, 50 years, not really but might as well be.

Happyman0607 10-05-2013 01:04 PM

Re: How Steve King Will [try to] Kill Immigration Reform
 
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Originally Posted by DA User (Post 515598)
Let's be realistic here. Have you seen the news lately? There have been talks to pass CIR in October. They have been working in closed doors.

No I haven't been watching, care to fill me in? With detail please.

DA User 10-05-2013 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Pianoswithoutfaith (Post 515603)
you were literally posting the same thing when they were on recess

your gimmick is breaking apart

Would you like further information?

Yes.....

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Originally Posted by Pluribus (Post 515604)
They've been saying that for the past, um I don't know, 50 years, not really but might as well be.

Look the Discharge Petition news in the other article.

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Originally Posted by Happyman0607 (Post 515631)
No I haven't been watching, care to fill me in? With detail please.

Discharge Petition?

Happyman0607 10-06-2013 11:17 AM

Re: How Steve King Will [try to] Kill Immigration Reform
 
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Originally Posted by DA User (Post 515685)
Yes.....



Look the Discharge Petition news in the other article.



Discharge Petition?

What's that?

DA User 10-06-2013 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Happyman0607 (Post 515738)
What's that?

Do you know what a Discharge Petition is?

Happyman0607 10-06-2013 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by DA User (Post 515765)
Do you know what a Discharge Petition is?

What's that

Pluribus 10-07-2013 12:16 AM

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So, wait, the discharge petition in talks right now is for the comprehensive immigration reform, DA user?

DA User 10-07-2013 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Pluribus (Post 515814)
So, wait, the discharge petition in talks right now is for the comprehensive immigration reform, DA user?

It is for CR not CIR but it builds momentum.

Pianoswithoutfaith 10-07-2013 02:43 AM

Re: How Steve King Will [try to] Kill Immigration Reform
 
The president himself can be eating and spitting out the CIR but that would still be building momentum according to DA User. A CIR has been building momentum so much that it how has reached its terminal velocity.


There is no more momentum left for it to gained.

DA User 10-07-2013 02:06 PM

Re: How Steve King Will [try to] Kill Immigration Reform
 
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Originally Posted by Pianoswithoutfaith (Post 515827)
The president himself can be eating and spitting out the CIR but that would still be building momentum according to DA User. A CIR has been building momentum so much that it how has reached its terminal velocity.


There is no more momentum left for it to gained.

Sky is the limit.

Happyman0607 10-07-2013 02:21 PM

Re: How Steve King Will [try to] Kill Immigration Reform
 
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Originally Posted by Pianoswithoutfaith (Post 515827)
The president himself can be eating and spitting out the CIR but that would still be building momentum according to DA User. A CIR has been building momentum so much that it how has reached its terminal velocity.


There is no more momentum left for it to gained.

AHAHHAHAHAH
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Originally Posted by DA User (Post 515869)
Sky is the limit.

Yea, your forehead is the limit

Pianoswithoutfaith 10-07-2013 07:58 PM

Re: How Steve King Will [try to] Kill Immigration Reform
 
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Originally Posted by DA User (Post 515869)
Sky is the limit.

You don't know what terminal velocity is

of course you don't


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