Boehner draws another hard line on immigration reform
 

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further quashing the chances...

...Dear lord, there has been so much quashing, I think there is nothing left...lol...

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Even if there is talk about a cir it won't be about this year

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Just as I suspected, they want smaller bills because they only want to pass enforcement-only measures, except for their watered-down DREAM act.

These Republicans want to make sure nobody jumps the border anymore, and make sure people without papers can't find a job at all. Preventing undocumented immigrants from finding a job would force them to leave; this is Romney's "self deportation".

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Well it's not like that isn't happening anymore. The amount of illegal aliens "crossing " the border as lowered. And deportations have gone up. Obama takes the credit for deporting the most amount of illegal aliens. Not to mention it's harder to get a job with E verify in the system down. These people want a 20 feet tall electric fence before they get their asses working

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SO AT LEAST SOMEBODY SPEAK THE TRUE, THE UGLY TRUE, BUT THE TRUE. DACA FOR AT LEAST UNTIL 2016 (national ) OR 2018 (congress). There are not any chance for CIR for the rest of this congress or even more if they (GOTEAPARTY) WINS or Keep they majority.

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This is a devastating news for our older Dreamers. Please hang in there bros and sis.

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Even if they get their Berlin wall, they still don't want to get anywhere close to legalizing undocumented people. To them the only acceptable solution for the 12 million undocs is deportation, whether voluntary or by force.

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Check this article out

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/1...p_ref=politics

It seems the gerrymandered GOP districts and the Tea Party in general are not budging and will probably never budge until voters actually vote someone else to replace them.

Rough stuff.

But, honestly...I understand when these politicians fight for whats best for the people who actually voted them into office. Not exactly the best thing for America, but still they are doing what they see is right by them and by the people who allowed them that 175k a year.

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The Tea Party is a minority in the Republican Party, a minority in the House of Representatives, and a minority in Congress. What gives them so much power is their oversized influence on the majority party in the House. Republicans are going to pay the price for giving too much power to the Tea Party.

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Because deep down, Republicans really want what the Tea Party wants, but the Tea Party happens to very extreme...and Republicans seem to want majority power more than logical reasoning, rational thinking, and sanity.

Such a shame...

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At this point, we need expanded Deferred Action until CIR is passed.

The House Republicans never had any intention of passing anything; not an enforcement only measure, not a legalization bill and certainly not even their watered down DREAM Act. And this is all because they wanted no part of a conference committee.

There is most certainly no coming back from this for them and I think something must be done and the president is the only one who can salvage this mess.

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Yep, it is really shaping up to be one helluva mess.

Didn't think it would be this hopeless at the end of this year, when everything seemed to have been perfectly aligned...fool me once, fool me twice I suppose.

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The GOP listen to the tea party more because they are too afraid to be challenged in the primaries by a tea party backed politician. With gerrymandering from the last census, they no longer have to worry about the general election.

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If Obama wasn't a fucking spineless worm he'd issue an EO completely stopping all removals and enforcement until Retardicans would get their shit together, or he would at least prevent the house into going into recess until they have something on the table
. But nope, let them dictate how to not get shit done.

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That's precisely why the activists are planning to shutdown the White House switchboard like they did with DACA. He won't do anything unless we see them use the same tactics that got us DACA in the first place. This is apparently just the start of a push for expanded deferred action. Guess we're going to see more arrests and more civil disobedience until the President gets off his hands and does something.

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DACA was just a tool for Obama to get votes. He would not have even introduced it if it wasn't for rumors of Rubio's plan which was exactly the same idea. Obama will not be passing anything related to immigration because Democrats want to use the issue in the 2016 election. Immigration is a hot topic that is a win/win for Democrats. If it passes, they will take credit and if nothing happens, they will blame republicans. The possibility of CIR is not until after 2016 elections. Republicans need more proof of changing demographics of their constituent base in order to appeal to minorities. Until then, we are just prisoners of the political game.

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I figure trying something is better than sitting around waiting on them to maybe take immigration reform up again in 2016 and watch more deportations happen in the mean time.

I'll take the time to call because while I have DACA, many people in my life did not qualify for anything. The number is listed in the Taking Action part of the forum, so if any of you have a mother, sister, brother, father or just a friend who did not qualify for DACA, take the time to make ONE phone call on their behalf.

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If Republicans dont pass any major bill, I hope they let DACA join the military. I will be happy.

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We've seen it with so many other initiatives (gun control, grand bargain, etc.). Republicans just don't want to work with this President. Of course, they're getting a beating at the polls for it, but in the meantime, we'll just have to weather the storm.

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imagine if Republicans win 2015 because of Obamacare...

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Wouldn't that be something...yikes...

...can kiss CIR/DA goodbye.

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We should be more realistic in our approach rather than be in a Obama-overstating goals state. I think Dream Act would pass today if it came up for a vote without any attachments. There is momentum on the issue and we should use that to our advantage. Passing Dream Act would actually commence the negotiations and it would be hard for democrats to justify their rejection on the notion CIR or nothing deal. If you are from brooklyn or staten island, we have to push Michael Grimm - republican to be more active in representing our district. From a strategic point, it would be best to pressure Republicans who are winnable on the issue. We need more republicans to make the case for the Tea party. Anyway, CIR is inevitable but time is of the essence for us and our families.

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Till 2016 it is then

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If the President were to pass a broad DACA like program, the odds that he would lose in a law suit are pretty high. If he were to do that, than Dreamers might lose theirs in the courts. Plus there would be a massive backlash from dems, repubs and voters. One thing that I have learned is that most people like dreamers because they see us going to school with their children, but they do not like our parents. I think is because they cannot relate to our parents. Most people see our parents as just a statistic!

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DA passage it is! No age cap!

:D

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The same presidential authority and legal reasoning for creating DACA can be used to expand it. False choice to say that by expanding it, we are forfeiting CIR. CIR is dead. They GAVE UP the chance to pass it, and it is my belief they knew it, and just did not give two flying monkeys about it.

As fas a passing DA only, we are five years too late for that. As I have written before, the votes were there for two years, an entire congress session, and it would have passed. Sen.Durbin requested it, Gutierrez fought it, Schmer played it, and the president sat back because he only cared for his re-election. Had they done it, we would now be soon eligible for citizenship. I was watching a news conference this am from the president about the exchange website - a f* website is monopolizing progress of any legislation for the remainder of this Congress. Wow. Apologies, finger-pointing, excuses, righ-wing fabrications, etc. It is just a website. The product (affordable healthcare) is AVAILABLE. If the website is down, and believe me, most Medicaid-expansion recipients could care less about the medium through which they can finally have decent insurance, then call the number and enroll by phone. Jesus, it is not the people who are hung up on this, it is the msm and Republicans.

As a healthcare worker, let me give you an example: How many of you who have had the chance to have health insurance and longtime doctors, make apptmt online? Most private practice physicians don't have an online apptm management portal - you have to call to make your doc's appointment. Well, this works the same. The Pres needs to go out there and make it a point that it is not different than calling a doctors' clinic and findind out which physician would be best for you (from the receptionist) or calling to set up your appointment.

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Belive me they won't let anything pass even the military bill/

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No for they (GOP) are DEM VOTES....

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so It look like CIR might pass at 2014.