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Ianus 04-29-2017 06:10 AM

Half of 675 non-citizens targetted had minor or no criminal violations
 
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/n...428-story.html
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About half of the 675 immigrants picked up in roundups across the United States in the days after President Donald Trump took office either had no criminal convictions or had committed traffic offenses, mostly drunken driving, as their most serious crimes, according to data obtained by The Washington Post.

Records provided by congressional aides Friday offered the most detailed look yet at the backgrounds of the individuals rounded up and targeted for deportation in early February by Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents assigned to regional offices in Los Angeles, Chicago, Atlanta, San Antonio and New York.

Two people had been convicted of homicide, 80 had been convicted of assault, and 57 had convictions for "dangerous drugs." Many of the most serious criminals were given top billing in ICE news statements about the operation.

The largest single group - 163 immigrants convicted of traffic offenses - was mentioned only briefly. Over 90 percent of those cases involved drunken driving, ICE said Friday. Of those taken into custody in the raids, 177 had no criminal convictions at all, though 66 had charges pending, largely immigration or traffic offenses.

The raids were part of a nationwide immigration roundup dubbed Operation Cross Check, which accounts for a small portion of the 21,362 immigrants the Trump administration took into custody for deportation proceedings from January through mid-March.

The two-month total represents a 32 percent increase in deportation arrests over the same period last year. Most are criminals, administration officials have said. But 5,441 were not criminals, double the number of undocumented immigrants arrested for deportation a year earlier. The administration has released a detailed breakdown of the criminal records only of the raids in early February.

Trump has said that public safety threats are his top priority. Shortly after he was elected, he vowed to first deport serious criminals from the United States.

But critics say immigration agents instead have also targeted students, parents of U.S. citizens who do not have serious criminal records and minor offenders.

"That makes me so angry," said Kica Matos, a spokeswoman for the Fair Immigration Reform Movement, which is organizing demonstrations Monday to protest Trump's immigration policies. She said that many of the DUI convictions are years-old and that the data "confirms our worst fears, which is that this administration is really trying to deport as many as possible regardless of whether they have a criminal record."

President Barack Obama also deported thousands of people who never committed crimes, but toward the end of his administration, he imposed strict new rules that prioritized the arrest of criminals.

The Trump administration has said the current president also wants to prioritize deporting criminals. But officials add that anyone in the United States illegally could be detained and deported.

"As Secretary Kelly has made clear, ICE will no longer exempt classes or categories of removable aliens from potential enforcement," said ICE spokeswoman Jennifer Elzea, referring to Homeland Security Secretary John Kelly. "All of those in violation of the immigration laws may be subject to immigration arrest, detention and, if found removable by final order, removal from the United States."

ICE arrested immigrants across the United States in February as part of Operation Cross Check, an initiative that seeks to detain immigrants that also occurred during the Obama administration.

Jessica Vaughan, director of policy studies for the Center for Immigration Studies, which favors limits on immigration, said ICE is properly enforcing immigration laws by arresting criminals and people in the United States without papers.

"Those are legitimate reasons to remove people," she said. "ICE officers are no longer operating under the restraints imposed by the Obama administration. They're not forced to look the other way when they encounter people who are removable."

Congressional aides said the information from ICE follows months of frustration from lawmakers that the agency is not responding fast enough to requests for information.

After initially being supportive of Kelly, many Democrats have turned on him, believing he is being less than forthcoming about his sprawling department's moves to implement Trump's immigration policy.

Kelly, a retired Marine general, shot back at congressional critics last week in a speech at George Washington University.

"If lawmakers do not like the laws they've passed and we are charged to enforce, then they should have the courage and skill to change the laws,'' Kelly said. "Otherwise they should shut up and support the men and women on the front lines.''

That kind of approach "wasn't a constructive way to deal with Congress," House Minority Whip Steny Hoyer, D-Md., said in an interview Friday. Democrats, he said, are frustrated by Trump's immigration policies but are unable to change laws because they don't currently control Congress.

"That kind of language ought to be jettisoned," Hoyer said.

ArcFlash 04-29-2017 07:10 AM

Re: Half of 675 non-citizens targetted had minor or no criminal violations
 
It would be interested to see how long these people have lived in the USA.

JohannBernoulli1667 04-29-2017 08:45 AM

Re: Half of 675 non-citizens targetted had minor or no criminal violations
 
It's all a political statement. This country is fractured by politics. It's quite sad really to see people fight over the same retarded issues instead of coming together as Americans. It is really off-putting to be honest.

Got_Daca 04-29-2017 10:03 AM

Re: Half of 675 non-citizens targetted had minor or no criminal violations
 
675 is nothing. Such a small number.

IamAman 04-30-2017 05:01 PM

Re: Half of 675 non-citizens targetted had minor or no criminal violations
 
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Originally Posted by Got_Daca (Post 612687)
675 is nothing. Such a small number.

Unless it's one of your family members who got arrested while buying some milk.

Scottish Bolt Cutters 04-30-2017 05:24 PM

Re: Half of 675 non-citizens targetted had minor or no criminal violations
 
To them, they are just numbers. Just as long as they meet their quota, they don't care who they are.

SweetDispoisition 04-30-2017 06:02 PM

Re: Half of 675 non-citizens targetted had minor or no criminal violations
 
As a legal immigrant from India I am glad that the law is finally being followed. I waited 15 years for my green card to be approved and it is not fair right for people to come here without consent and be entitled to public services. If the situation is urgent enough they can apply for asylum. I'm all for diversity, refugees and legal immigration and I even oppose Donald Trump, but no one is entitled to citizenship they have to apply for it.

Got_Daca 04-30-2017 06:18 PM

Re: Half of 675 non-citizens targetted had minor or no criminal violations
 
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Originally Posted by SweetDispoisition (Post 612757)
As a legal immigrant from India I am glad that the law is finally being followed. I waited 15 years for my green card to be approved and it is not fair right for people to come here without consent and be entitled to public services. If the situation is urgent enough they can apply for asylum. I'm all for diversity, refugees and legal immigration and I even oppose Donald Trump, but no one is entitled to citizenship they have to apply for it.

Who forced you to wait 15 years?

Just because you had it bad doesn't mean everyone else must suffer like you.

I waited until 25 to have sex. Nobody else should have sex until they are 25.

SweetDispoisition 04-30-2017 06:21 PM

Re: Half of 675 non-citizens targetted had minor or no criminal violations
 
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Originally Posted by Got_Daca (Post 612759)
Who forced you to wait 15 years?

Just because you had it bad doesn't mean everyone else must suffer like you.

I waited until 25 to have sex. Nobody else should have sex until they are 25.

So it is okay for people to ignore immigration laws and just skip the line in front of people who devoted their money and efforts in attaining a green card? that is not fair and defeats the whole purpose of applying for residency. It's not about suffering it's about following sovereign laws your argument is very weak

there are people who wait 2 years for green card to 25 years for a green card. waiting time depends on what visa you apply for and if there are quotas applied to it therefore i do not complain about such a long waiting time. it depends on what you can do for the country and those laws are similar in almost every country. countries cannot accept tens of millions of people in just a single year because there are limited resources and space that's why we have quotas for visas hence the long waiting time.

godsavethequeen 04-30-2017 06:42 PM

Re: Half of 675 non-citizens targetted had minor or no criminal violations
 
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Originally Posted by SweetDispoisition (Post 612760)
So it is okay for people to ignore immigration laws and just skip the line in front of people who devoted their money and efforts in attaining a green card? that is not fair and defeats the whole purpose of applying for residency. It's not about suffering it's about following sovereign laws your argument is very weak

there are people who wait 2 years for green card to 25 years for a green card. waiting time depends on what visa you apply for and if there are quotas applied to it therefore i do not complain about such a long waiting time. it depends on what you can do for the country and those laws are similar in almost every country. countries cannot accept tens of millions of people in just a single year because there are limited resources and space that's why we have quotas for visas hence the long waiting time.

someone ban this fool ^

Got_Daca 04-30-2017 06:44 PM

Re: Half of 675 non-citizens targetted had minor or no criminal violations
 
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Originally Posted by SweetDispoisition (Post 612760)
So it is okay for people to ignore immigration laws and just skip the line in front of people who devoted their money and efforts in attaining a green card? that is not fair and defeats the whole purpose of applying for residency. It's not about suffering it's about following sovereign laws your argument is very weak

there are people who wait 2 years for green card to 25 years for a green card. waiting time depends on what visa you apply for and if there are quotas applied to it therefore i do not complain about such a long waiting time. it depends on what you can do for the country and those laws are similar in almost every country. countries cannot accept tens of millions of people in just a single year because there are limited resources and space that's why we have quotas for visas hence the long waiting time.

You must have had a family member petition you for a greencard.

How hard did you work to have been born from the right vagina?

undoconyc 04-30-2017 06:49 PM

Re: Half of 675 non-citizens targetted had minor or no criminal violations
 
I don't know why everyone is giving this dude a hard time. He's just sharing his perspective. That what forums like this are supposed to be about.

MIdreamer 04-30-2017 06:53 PM

Re: Half of 675 non-citizens targetted had minor or no criminal violations
 
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Originally Posted by SweetDispoisition (Post 612760)
So it is okay for people to ignore immigration laws and just skip the line in front of people who devoted their money and efforts in attaining a green card? that is not fair and defeats the whole purpose of applying for residency. It's not about suffering it's about following sovereign laws your argument is very weak

there are people who wait 2 years for green card to 25 years for a green card. waiting time depends on what visa you apply for and if there are quotas applied to it therefore i do not complain about such a long waiting time. it depends on what you can do for the country and those laws are similar in almost every country. countries cannot accept tens of millions of people in just a single year because there are limited resources and space that's why we have quotas for visas hence the long waiting time.

I understand your concern. We are not arguing that it is ok to skip the line or break the law. What we are trying to do here is to push forward a compassionate legislation for people who came into this country under special circumstances. The way we came into this country is totally out of our control. We have grown up and contributed to this country and we wish to make it right with the law.

SweetDispoisition 04-30-2017 06:54 PM

Re: Half of 675 non-citizens targetted had minor or no criminal violations
 
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Originally Posted by Got_Daca (Post 612762)
You must have had a family member petition you for a greencard.

How hard did you work to have been born from the right vagina?

I came here as a skilled worker, Eb3 visa as a web developer. its a very fierce competition between millions of workers in india and i never said i opposed DACA.

godsavethequeen 04-30-2017 06:57 PM

Re: Half of 675 non-citizens targetted had minor or no criminal violations
 
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Originally Posted by SweetDispoisition (Post 612765)
I came here as a skilled worker, Eb3 visa as a web developer. its a very fierce competition between millions of workers in india and i never said i opposed DACA.

obvious troll is obvious

Got_Daca 04-30-2017 06:57 PM

Re: Half of 675 non-citizens targetted had minor or no criminal violations
 
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Originally Posted by SweetDispoisition (Post 612765)
I came here as a skilled worker, Eb3 visa as a web developer. its a very fierce competition between millions of workers in india and i never said i opposed DACA.

So basically you were undercutting American workers by accepting cheaper wage than them.

SweetDispoisition 04-30-2017 06:59 PM

Re: Half of 675 non-citizens targetted had minor or no criminal violations
 
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Originally Posted by Got_Daca (Post 612768)
So basically you were undercutting American workers by accepting cheaper wage than them.

Same can be said about undocumented workers and I think you're confusing the Eb3 visa with H-1B visas...

MIdreamer 04-30-2017 07:03 PM

Re: Half of 675 non-citizens targetted had minor or no criminal violations
 
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Originally Posted by godsavethequeen (Post 612767)
obvious troll is obvious

I think his points are valid. These are the same talking points a lot of people who opposed CIR make. I think we can't just ignore them, we should able able to answer these questions if we ever want to convince people to support CIR or Dream Act. I know they are hard questions but we can't just ignore them.

godsavethequeen 04-30-2017 07:03 PM

Re: Half of 675 non-citizens targetted had minor or no criminal violations
 
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Originally Posted by SweetDispoisition (Post 612769)
Same can be said about undocumented workers and I think you're confusing the Eb3 visa with H-1B visas...

How about you just go fuck off Pajeet. We don't care about your opinions

isk84life 04-30-2017 07:04 PM

Re: Half of 675 non-citizens targetted had minor or no criminal violations
 
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Originally Posted by SweetDispoisition (Post 612765)
I came here as a skilled worker, Eb3 visa as a web developer. its a very fierce competition between millions of workers in india and i never said i opposed DACA.

There are thousands of DACA students and former students that went to the top universities in the world here. We have a lot more right to be here than you. If we were allowed to apply for visas we would be first in line for true high skills. Dont try and and come rub what you did, I work with a lot of people from India and most of the people from there come from 3rd rate universities nobody even heard of. I'm sorry, but you are just the beneficiary of a horrible outdated visa system... get off your high horse.

Got_Daca 04-30-2017 07:04 PM

Re: Half of 675 non-citizens targetted had minor or no criminal violations
 
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Originally Posted by SweetDispoisition (Post 612769)
Same can be said about undocumented workers and I think you're confusing the Eb3 visa with H-1B visas...

Most people in this forum are not undocumented. We all are documented. We have valid EADs.

Again, sorry that you had to wait 15 years because of a broken immigration system.

If I were you I wouldn't wish my misfortune on others. But I guess you are not me.

SweetDispoisition 04-30-2017 07:07 PM

Re: Half of 675 non-citizens targetted had minor or no criminal violations
 
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Originally Posted by isk84life (Post 612772)
There are thousands of DACA students and former students that went to the top universities in the world here. We have a lot more right to be here than you. If we were allowed to apply for visas we would be first in line for true high skills. Dont try and and come rub what you did, I work with a lot of people from India and most of the people from there come from 3rd rate universities nobody even heard of. I'm sorry, but you are just the beneficiary of a horrible outdated visa system... get off your high horse.

Never said I did not support DACA

SweetDispoisition 04-30-2017 07:08 PM

Re: Half of 675 non-citizens targetted had minor or no criminal violations
 
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Originally Posted by Got_Daca (Post 612773)
Most people in this forum are not undocumented. We all are documented. We have valid EADs.

Again, sorry that you had to wait 15 years because of a broken immigration system.

If I were you I wouldn't wish my misfortune on others. But I guess you are not me.

they are not broken. the quotas exists to control the massive amount of potential workers that come from these visas. just to clarify i was not reffering to daca as they are documented i was referring to undocumented people

Got_Daca 04-30-2017 07:09 PM

Re: Half of 675 non-citizens targetted had minor or no criminal violations
 
Is this Chyno's another troll account?

Dreamerr 04-30-2017 07:31 PM

Re: Half of 675 non-citizens targetted had minor or no criminal violations
 
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Originally Posted by SweetDispoisition (Post 612757)
As a legal immigrant from India I am glad that the law is finally being followed. I waited 15 years for my green card to be approved and it is not fair right for people to come here without consent and be entitled to public services. If the situation is urgent enough they can apply for asylum. I'm all for diversity, refugees and legal immigration and I even oppose Donald Trump, but no one is entitled to citizenship they have to apply for it.

This is so typical of Indians . It's sad really they belong to the most filthy country in trash and human rights violations on earth . Yet they think they are so above everything and everyone. It probably has a lot to do with the barberic caste system they believe in.

Typical Indian trumptards closing the door behind them .

godsavethequeen 04-30-2017 07:34 PM

Re: Half of 675 non-citizens targetted had minor or no criminal violations
 
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Originally Posted by Dreamerr (Post 612780)
This is so typical of Indians . It's sad really they belong to the most filthy country in trash and human rights violations on earth . Yet they think they are so above everything and everyone. It probably has a lot to do with the barberic caste system they believe in.

Typical Indian trumptards closing the door behind them .

Just walk into a subway or Convenience store and see how rude they are to you .

this ^

SweetDispoisition 04-30-2017 07:39 PM

Re: Half of 675 non-citizens targetted had minor or no criminal violations
 
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Originally Posted by Dreamerr (Post 612780)
This is so typical of Indians . It's sad really they belong to the most filthy country in trash and human rights violations on earth . Yet they think they are so above everything and everyone. It probably has a lot to do with the barberic caste system they believe in.

Typical Indian trumptards closing the door behind them .

I do not support donald trump. I just believe that sovereign laws should be followed and open borders is an idiotic concept. I support multiculturalism and I do not feel above anyone else. if you break the laws consequences are inevitable unless there is a valid excuse like DACA

Got_Daca 04-30-2017 07:42 PM

Re: Half of 675 non-citizens targetted had minor or no criminal violations
 
If true racists take power, first people to get shot would include all Indians from India. Racists don't really care if you're Sikh, Hindu, Muslim, Buddhist. You all look the same to them.

SweetDispoisition 04-30-2017 07:44 PM

Re: Half of 675 non-citizens targetted had minor or no criminal violations
 
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Originally Posted by Got_Daca (Post 612783)
If true racists take power, first people to get shot would include all Indians from India. Racists don't really care if you're Sikh, Hindu, Muslim, Buddhist. You all look the same to them.

that is an extremely unlikely scenario especially with the UN's efforts. again I'm a civic nationalist and anti open borders just like many people only difference is that i support daca but Im not denying that true racists like the alt right exists that want to stop all immigration. again your arguments are extremely poor

godsavethequeen 04-30-2017 07:58 PM

Re: Half of 675 non-citizens targetted had minor or no criminal violations
 
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Originally Posted by SweetDispoisition (Post 612784)
that is an extremely unlikely scenario especially with the UN's efforts. again I'm a civic nationalist and anti open borders just like many people only difference is that i support daca but Im not denying that true racists like the alt right exists that want to stop all immigration. again your arguments are extremely poor

Racist in denial... You're getting banned any time now. Good bye.

Dreamerr 04-30-2017 08:36 PM

Re: Half of 675 non-citizens targetted had minor or no criminal violations
 
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Originally Posted by godsavethequeen (Post 612785)
Racist in denial... You're getting banned any time now. Good bye.

At the same time you have to sympathize with a person like this it's a classic case of a person having a serious superiority complex .

This person clearly has psychological defense mechanism that is compensates by thinking this way probably because of working in a tech industry and having been fortunate enough to get a green card handed to him without setting foot in America learning the customs and assimilating .

I just hope woman are being respected , traffic jams are not happening and soda fountains are not being used to was hands .

godsavethequeen 04-30-2017 08:38 PM

Re: Half of 675 non-citizens targetted had minor or no criminal violations
 
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Originally Posted by Dreamerr (Post 612787)
At the same time you have to sympathize with a person like this it's a classic case of a person having a serious superiority complex .

This person clearly has psychological defense mechanism that is compensates by thinking this way probably because of working in a tech industry and having been fortunate enough to get a green card handed to him without setting foot in America learning the customs and assimilating .

I just hope woman are being respected , traffic jams are not happening and soda fountains are not being used to was hands .

That's right, we DACAers and undocumented people deserve green cards not these arrogant assholes and anchor babies who got there's out of luck.


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