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jaylove16 01-23-2018 10:13 AM

Mulvaney: Trump's position on DACA 'depends on what we get in exchange'
 
After Congress voted Monday to end a three-day government shutdown, Trump teased negotiations on immigration reform, saying Tuesday morning that "nobody knows for sure" if Republicans and Democrats will reach a deal on DACA.

White House Office of Budget and Management director Mick Mulvaney said Tuesday that President Trump's position on the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program depends on what the White House gets in an immigration deal.

"We want a large agreement. We want a big deal that solves the reason we have a DACA problem in the first place," Mulvaney said on CNN's "New Day."

https://www.google.com/amp/thehill.c...exchange%3famp

KiwiFlavor 01-23-2018 10:15 AM

Re: Mulvaney: Trump's position on DACA 'depends on what we get in exchange'
 
Of-freaking-course

TonyM203 01-23-2018 10:17 AM

Re: Mulvaney: Trump's position on DACA 'depends on what we get in exchange'
 
Ofc the WH wants a BIG Deal, for Goodlatte's bill its laughable

dreamer__13 01-23-2018 10:18 AM

Re: Mulvaney: Trump's position on DACA 'depends on what we get in exchange'
 
I’m starting to not want anything as long as it means that Trump doesn’t get anything either. Fuck his entire administration.

Sorrybrah 01-23-2018 10:30 AM

Re: Mulvaney: Trump's position on DACA 'depends on what we get in exchange'
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dreamer__13 (Post 679334)
I’m starting to not want anything as long as it means that Trump doesn’t get anything either. Fuck his entire administration.

Yup just keep the status quo no further destruction needed from this administration

BeeHive 01-23-2018 10:35 AM

Re: Mulvaney: Trump's position on DACA 'depends on what we get in exchange'
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dreamer__13 (Post 679334)
I’m starting to not want anything as long as it means that Trump doesn’t get anything either. Fuck his entire administration.

As long as renewals are in place, I agree.

Afridi786 01-23-2018 10:36 AM

Re: Mulvaney: Trump's position on DACA 'depends on what we get in exchange'
 
Why the fuck is this guy talking about immigration?

dtrt09 01-23-2018 10:36 AM

Re: Mulvaney: Trump's position on DACA 'depends on what we get in exchange'
 
They want immigration system reform.

Well, Dream Act is the first step. Not daca. Dream Act.

Then deal with the INA.

Pianoswithoutfaith 01-23-2018 10:40 AM

Re: Mulvaney: Trump's position on DACA 'depends on what we get in exchange'
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BeeHive (Post 679346)
As long as renewals are in place, I agree.

Been saying this for a while but at this point DACa being left untouched is better than giving trump what he wants. I am fine with out bill passing if it means trump doesn't get what he wants and we keep DACa in is current state. It's clear now republicans never had any interest in helping us. It's time for us to find our own path.

SurfyB 01-23-2018 10:49 AM

Re: Mulvaney: Trump's position on DACA 'depends on what we get in exchange'
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pianoswithoutfaith (Post 679350)
Been saying this for a while but at this point DACa being left untouched is better than giving trump what he wants. I am fine with out bill passing if it means trump doesn't get what he wants and we keep DACa in is current state. It's clear now republicans never had any interest in helping us. It's time for us to find our own path.

Yeah at this point I'm fine with the DACA we have, plus maybe travel, I don't care ill pay every 2 years.

dtrt09 01-23-2018 10:50 AM

Re: Mulvaney: Trump's position on DACA 'depends on what we get in exchange'
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SurfyB (Post 679357)
Yeah at this point I'm fine with the DACA we have, plus maybe travel, I don't care ill pay every 2 years.

Daca is dead. The renewals are a distraction from the larger fight for Dream Act. The Supreme Court will kill it permanently like Dapa.

Pianoswithoutfaith 01-23-2018 10:58 AM

Re: Mulvaney: Trump's position on DACA 'depends on what we get in exchange'
 
Technically the Supreme Court didn't kill it. It was frozen in that 4-4 vote. DACa has a better chance though I too see it fail but we gotta understand why eDACA made it to the Supreme Court in the first place ( something about eDACA not being announced in time or not being cleared yet getting the go. I forget the details )

Imthexman 01-23-2018 11:10 AM

Re: Mulvaney: Trump's position on DACA 'depends on what we get in exchange'
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pianoswithoutfaith (Post 679350)
Been saying this for a while but at this point DACa being left untouched is better than giving trump what he wants. I am fine with out bill passing if it means trump doesn't get what he wants and we keep DACa in is current state. It's clear now republicans never had any interest in helping us. It's time for us to find our own path.

All good points, Trump doesn't get his wall and the media will constantly blame him and paint daca as victims, all bad things for Trump. I would argue that daca is better than the Goodlatte bill except for the travel option offcourse and just magine if the supreme court sides with daca.

always_learner11 01-23-2018 11:14 AM

Re: Mulvaney: Trump's position on DACA 'depends on what we get in exchange'
 
Now, I'm just scared Democrats will feel pressured into making a bad deal, especially with the backlash of the shutdown.

Chn 01-23-2018 11:14 AM

Re: Mulvaney: Trump's position on DACA 'depends on what we get in exchange'
 
Don't give him anything, and let them keep passing a CR, so his cronies in Defense can feel it too.

Submit a renewal if you can, hopefully we are in a better bargaining position after the mid-terms and maybe the Supreme Court won't rule this year? Could possibly squeeze out another renewal.

And I expect nothing less than immediate citizenship from Democrats if they hold the the House, Senate, and White House for dropping the ball on this.
(Only slightly kidding on the last point)

always_learner11 01-23-2018 11:17 AM

Re: Mulvaney: Trump's position on DACA 'depends on what we get in exchange'
 
In DACA legal fight, Supreme Court agrees just now to expedite consideration of the Trump administration's petition to undo lower court order that keeps program in place.
https://twitter.com/ToddRuger/status/955818968715026432

always_learner11 01-23-2018 11:19 AM

Re: Mulvaney: Trump's position on DACA 'depends on what we get in exchange'
 
Supreme Court grants motion to expedite briefing in DACA case, in part (with Feb. 2 deadline for response). Looks like petition for cert before judgment could be considered at Feb. 16 conference.
#SCOTUS
https://twitter.com/shermancourt/sta...18500379041798

Afridi786 01-23-2018 11:20 AM

Re: Mulvaney: Trump's position on DACA 'depends on what we get in exchange'
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by always_learner11 (Post 679391)
supreme court grants motion to expedite briefing in daca case, in part (with feb. 2 deadline for response). Looks like petition for cert before judgment could be considered at feb. 16 conference.
#scotus
https://twitter.com/shermancourt/sta...18500379041798

fuck!!!!!

Copper 01-23-2018 11:23 AM

Re: Mulvaney: Trump's position on DACA 'depends on what we get in exchange'
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pianoswithoutfaith (Post 679368)
Technically the Supreme Court didn't kill it. It was frozen in that 4-4 vote. DACa has a better chance though I too see it fail but we gotta understand why eDACA made it to the Supreme Court in the first place ( something about eDACA not being announced in time or not being cleared yet getting the go. I forget the details )

It’s quite ironic that the same reason the judge in Texas block eDACA, was used by the same judge in California to bring back DACA. Which was the Administrative Procedure Act. I do agree, DACA does have a better chance in the Supreme Court. People tend to forget that e-Daca wasn’t blocked because it was “unconstitutional”. It was blocked because of the Administrative Procedure Act.

jaylove16 01-23-2018 11:25 AM

Re: Mulvaney: Trump's position on DACA 'depends on what we get in exchange'
 
The shutdown ended after McConnell agreed to bring a discussion on DACA to the Senate floor followed by a vote. But on Monday, Scalise—the House majority whip—said his chamber made no such arrangement.

"We're not going to pass a bill that has amnesty," he said. "There are things that would anger our base that I don’t see us passing in the House.

http://www.newsweek.com/steve-scalis...s-house-787914

I was an optimist , but now House Republicans are showing their true colors. Hope everyone gets their renewals in !

always_learner11 01-23-2018 11:26 AM

Re: Mulvaney: Trump's position on DACA 'depends on what we get in exchange'
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Afridi786 (Post 679393)
fuck!!!!!

In a brief order the justices said they have granted the administration’s request to hear the case even before a ruling by a lower appeals court. Such requests are rarely granted.
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...eed-daca-case/
Gorsuch has dinner at GOP senator’s home
http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/3...-senators-home

BestBefore1984 01-23-2018 11:27 AM

Re: Mulvaney: Trump's position on DACA 'depends on what we get in exchange'
 
Get those renewals in folks.

Continue to spread the message. We have two years to amp up the pressure.

dtrt09 01-23-2018 11:28 AM

Re: Mulvaney: Trump's position on DACA 'depends on what we get in exchange'
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by always_learner11 (Post 679400)
In a brief order the justices said they have granted the administration’s request to hear the case even before a ruling by a lower appeals court. Such requests are rarely granted.
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...eed-daca-case/
Gorsuch has dinner at GOP senator’s home
http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/3...-senators-home

Supreme Justice dining with right-wingers...smh.

2MoreYears 01-23-2018 11:29 AM

Re: Mulvaney: Trump's position on DACA 'depends on what we get in exchange'
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dtrt09 (Post 679360)
Daca is dead. The renewals are a distraction from the larger fight for Dream Act. The Supreme Court will kill it permanently like Dapa.

Not so fast there cowboy. DACA is not DAPA, the former has better chances to be upheld simply because it was already implemented, secondly because nixing it will create extreme economic hardship to beneficiaries and to a certain degree to the economy in general as well. Think of all the loans, mortgages and cc debt that would go unpaid. Two wrongs don't make it right.

jaylove16 01-23-2018 11:32 AM

Re: Mulvaney: Trump's position on DACA 'depends on what we get in exchange'
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Afridi786 (Post 679402)
Looks like we won't be able to get renewals in.

Stfu please . The court hasn’t ordered anything yet !

Swim19 01-23-2018 11:34 AM

Re: Mulvaney: Trump's position on DACA 'depends on what we get in exchange'
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by always_learner11 (Post 679400)
In a brief order the justices said they have granted the administration’s request to hear the case even before a ruling by a lower appeals court. Such requests are rarely granted.
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...eed-daca-case/
Gorsuch has dinner at GOP senator’s home
http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/3...-senators-home


Democrats should have fought harder for that stolen seat...

Afridi786 01-23-2018 11:34 AM

Re: Mulvaney: Trump's position on DACA 'depends on what we get in exchange'
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jaylove16 (Post 679408)
Stfu please . The court hasn’t ordered anything yet !

We already know the outcome, it all depends on the timeline of when they will make a decision. It looks like they are expediting Trump administrations requests as much as possible.

nationalsfan 01-23-2018 11:37 AM

Re: Mulvaney: Trump's position on DACA 'depends on what we get in exchange'
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by always_learner11 (Post 679390)
In DACA legal fight, Supreme Court agrees just now to expedite consideration of the Trump administration's petition to undo lower court order that keeps program in place.
https://twitter.com/ToddRuger/status/955818968715026432

so what's the timeline here? Will they rule at some point in February then instead of May/June?

Copper 01-23-2018 11:40 AM

Re: Mulvaney: Trump's position on DACA 'depends on what we get in exchange'
 
People need to relax and remind themselves that e-Daca was blocked because of the Administrative Procedure Act . It was not blocked because it was “unconstitutional”. We also have to remind ourselves that Trump is still hiding documents on the decision that led him to end DACA in the first place.

Pianoswithoutfaith 01-23-2018 11:52 AM

Re: Mulvaney: Trump's position on DACA 'depends on what we get in exchange'
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Copper (Post 679416)
People need to relax and remind themselves that e-Daca was blocked because of the Administrative Procedure Act . It was not blocked because it was “unconstitutional”. We also have to remind ourselves that Trump is still hiding documents on the decision that led him to end DACA in the first place.


Yeah this

Gocchin Sama 01-23-2018 12:33 PM

Re: Mulvaney: Trump's position on DACA 'depends on what we get in exchange'
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jaylove16 (Post 679399)
The shutdown ended after McConnell agreed to bring a discussion on DACA to the Senate floor followed by a vote. But on Monday, Scalise—the House majority whip—said his chamber made no such arrangement.

"We're not going to pass a bill that has amnesty," he said. "There are things that would anger our base that I don’t see us passing in the House.

http://www.newsweek.com/steve-scalis...s-house-787914

I was an optimist , but now House Republicans are showing their true colors. Hope everyone gets their renewals in !

Scalise still on crutches, eh?

JayR9 01-23-2018 06:09 PM

Re: Mulvaney: Trump's position on DACA 'depends on what we get in exchange'
 
Lol fuck this. Can't wait for this multiple personality disorder clown gets impeached.


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