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pavpatel 01-25-2018 03:49 PM

Trump Immigration Plan Will Demand Tough Concessions From Democrats
 
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WASHINGTON — The White House is about to formally offer Democrats what it hopes will be an excruciating choice.

If Democrats want permanent relief for young immigrants brought to the United States illegally as children, including President Trump’s promise of eventual citizenship, they will have to accept a massive border wall and strict policies designed to block low-skilled immigrants from joining their families in America.

The legislative strategy is set to be released publicly on Monday. It is designed to exert maximum pressure on Democrats, who are desperate to protect the young immigrants, known as Dreamers, but who fiercely oppose the conservative immigration policies embraced by hard-line, anti-immigration activists like Stephen Miller, the president’s top domestic policy adviser in the White House.

But the strategy would work only if the Senate fails to reach a broad, bipartisan accord on an alternative: legislation that would protect the Dreamers, bolster border security, but reject the most draconian aspects of the White House’s proposal. If such legislation, now being negotiated, can win a strong majority in the Senate, it might be Mr. Trump who has the tough choice.

“This is a negotiation,” said Senator Lindsey Graham, Republican of South Carolina. “I welcome White House input.”

Mr. Trump’s impromptu comments on Wednesday night, when he said he was open to allowing some of the young immigrants to become citizens in 10 to 12 years, were quickly followed on Thursday morning by a White House email warning of a flood of immigrants into the country and demanding an end to policies that allow families to sponsor the immigration of their immediate relatives.

And even as Mr. Trump was offering reassuring words to the Dreamers — “tell them not to worry,” he told reporters Wednesday evening — senior White House officials were emphasizing the more hard-line features of their forthcoming immigration proposal.

One senior official said the Dreamers would be given legal status so long as they were productive, law-abiding members of American society. The official said a path to citizenship was only a discussion point and would only be available to about 690,000 young immigrants who signed up for legal protections under an Obama-era program known as Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals, or DACA. Legal status would not be extended to those who were eligible for the program but failed to register, the official said.

Taken together, the dual messages from the White House are a clear outline of the administration’s endgame as Congress struggles to reach a compromise before the expiration on March 5 of the DACA program. In September, Mr. Trump ended the program and set it to expire at the beginning of March, when recipients would no longer be able to work legally in the United States and would once again face the threat of deportation.

But Democratic lawmakers and activists are vowing to resist the president’s trap. They say they will refuse to accept any proposal that requires them to forsake the well-being of other immigrants, including the parents of the Dreamers, to secure the fate of the young immigrants themselves.

“We will oppose it. Most if not all Democrats will oppose it. Some Republicans will, too,” said Frank Sharry, the executive director of America’s Voice, a pro-immigration group. “We are not going to allow Stephen Miller to exploit a crisis that he and his boss created to take a wrecking ball to the Statue of Liberty and enact his nativist wish list.”


Mr. Sharry added, “When they get serious about a reasonable bill — Dream Act and smart border security — and get serious about making and sticking with a bipartisan deal that can pass, then and only then will there be a breakthrough.”

On Thursday, a bipartisan group of senators calling itself the Common Sense Coalition gathered in the office of Senator Susan Collins, Republican of Maine, to discuss the immigration issue. Senators going into the office said they were encouraged by Mr. Trump’s remarks. But they indicated little appetite for the more hard-line approaches being pushed by the president’s aides.

“If you start putting all these highly charged toxic issues, it’s just not going to work,” said Senator Bill Nelson, Democrat of Florida.

Activists are betting that some moderate Republicans will not support the president’s more conservative ideas, helping to stiffen the spines of Democratic lawmakers by making the opposition to the president’s proposal bipartisan.

Senators Richard J. Durbin, Democrat of Illinois, and Lindsey Graham, Republican of South Carolina, have been leading bipartisan talks on immigration. Their initial proposal — which did not include the president’s nativist proposals — was rejected by Mr. Trump during a White House meeting in which the president used vulgarities to describe Haitians and Africans.

On Wednesday night, Mr. Graham held a meeting with a far larger group of about 30 senators. They decided that Mr. Durbin, the No. 2 Democrat in the Senate, and Senator John Cornyn of Texas, the No. 2 Republican in the Senate, would each function as a clearinghouse for ideas on immigration from their respective parties.

“We’ve got more people in the room, which is good,” Mr. Graham said. “We’re getting more input. We’ve just got to turn it into more output.”

The so-called Twos — the No. 2 Democrats and Republicans from the House and Senate — have also been meeting, although their talks are stalled because the House is in recess this week.

And members of a which helped bring an end to the three-day government shutdown, have also expressed interest in branching out into immigration talks.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/25/u...ite-house.html

rum123456 01-25-2018 03:51 PM

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All poltics, democrats would make sure the bill doesn't pass, they want to first take over the house and senate and wants to take the credit for it, this is the reason why they went to trump with an outrages bill that covers the TPS and includes more chain migration, democrats from their end is playing smart.

Copper 01-25-2018 03:51 PM

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Sorry Sharry, you don’t speak for all of us. If the deal is fair and only if it’s fair we should take it.

davidrellis 01-25-2018 03:52 PM

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I think democrats will have to concede on some points just like they conceded Monday. I think they’re negotiation power was largely diminished after the shutdown ended.

VJB2 01-25-2018 03:53 PM

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I'm liking that the media is starting to call out idiot Miller now. His name wasn't out there as much until now. Time to attack and force his ass out. #PresidentMiller

jwxie518 01-25-2018 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Copper (Post 681202)
Sorry Sharry, you don’t speak for all of us. If the deal is fair and only if it’s fair we should take it.

Don't worry, in the eyes of the politicians, these pro groups are just tools, and these tools don't have anybody else on the Hill, so yeah, don't worry.

rum123456 01-25-2018 03:54 PM

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yeah i think what will happen in the end is trump is going to extend the deadline, bill will fail. let's be real here this is a comprehensive immigration bill that has 4 subjects tied to it. Immigration bill was not passed the last 2 decade.

Adrian2145 01-25-2018 03:55 PM

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All I want is to survive till 2020, hopefully they accept our Applications

jwxie518 01-25-2018 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Copper (Post 681202)
Sorry Sharry, you don’t speak for all of us. If the deal is fair and only if it’s fair we should take it.

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Originally Posted by rum123456 (Post 681208)
yeah i think what will happen in the end is trump is going to extend the deadline, bill will fail. let's be real here this is a comprehensive immigration bill that has 4 subjects tied to it. Immigration bill was not passed the last 2 decade.

totally agree this is CIR, the moment these hardliners keep emphasizing on full funding and chain migration. The rest of the 10M undocumented aliens here in the U.S. will not be addressed, because Republicans and Democrats want to campaign on them (and addressing all of them is not in their interest - though Regan did it!).

dreamer__13 01-25-2018 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by rum123456 (Post 681208)
yeah i think what will happen in the end is trump is going to extend the deadline, bill will fail. let's be real here this is a comprehensive immigration bill that has 4 subjects tied to it. Immigration bill was not passed the last 2 decade.

You lost all credibility with this comment. Mods, banish him.

BeansDreamtoo21 01-25-2018 03:56 PM

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In other words WE WILL OPPOSE ANY BILL SINCE WE NEED THE DONATIONS.

cooltalker 01-25-2018 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by rum123456 (Post 681201)
All poltics, democrats would make sure the bill doesn't pass, they want to first take over the house and senate and wants to take the credit for it, this is the reason why they went to trump with an outrages bill that covers the TPS and includes more chain migration, democrats from their end is playing smart.

+1

Yes. I think I might agree with liberitarian. We should let Republicans do whatever they want with us and see what happens. Stop Democrats from participating in the discussion altogether. Republicans will either deport us (which is likely), or do something like the Bridge Act, but I feel confident that Dems won't do shit.

rum123456 01-25-2018 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by dreamer__13 (Post 681212)
You lost all credibility with this comment. Mods, banish him.

I didn't lost credibility, I am stating the reality, we went from Clean dream act Green cards in December to now Begging for at least an extension, wake up, wakeup

BeansDreamtoo21 01-25-2018 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by BeansDreamtoo21 (Post 681213)
In other words WE WILL OPPOSE ANY BILL SINCE WE NEED THE DONATIONS.

If a clean dream act was proposed. A CLEAN DREAM ACT? NOO!!! ALL 11 MILLION OR NOTHING WE OPPOSE TO GIVE UP ON THE OPPORTUNITY TO LEGALIZE ALL OUR UNDOCUMENTED FRIENDS

Rida980 01-25-2018 03:57 PM

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Yes please stop the pessimism around here.

dreamer__13 01-25-2018 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by rum123456 (Post 681215)
I didn't lost credibility, I am stating the reality, we went from Clean dream act Green cards in December to now Begging for at least an extension, wake up, wakeup

Where is your source for the other thread? You don’t know shit just like everyone here.

jwxie518 01-25-2018 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by dreamer__13 (Post 681212)
You lost all credibility with this comment. Mods, banish him.

Stop crying for ban hammer. We have rights to express our opinions. No one is issuing fake news. Time for you to STFU with your complaints. I am done with your negativity here.

libertarian1776 01-25-2018 04:00 PM

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yeah this is true after the whole circus act the democrats pulled last weekend. im hoping the Republicans just have a supermajority at this point and let em do what they want. dems should just step aside, atleast we can get an answer and move on with our lives.

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Originally Posted by cooltalker (Post 681214)
+1

Yes. I think I might agree with liberitarian. We should let Republicans do whatever they want with us and see what happens. Stop Democrats from participating in the discussion altogether. Republicans will either deport us (which is likely), or do something like the Bridge Act, but I feel confident that Dems won't do shit.


BeansDreamtoo21 01-25-2018 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by jwxie518 (Post 681219)
Stop crying for ban hammer. We have rights to express our opinions. No one is issuing fake news. Time for you to STFU with your complaints. I am done with your negativity here.

Woah woah leave doge alone. And it is true that guy is spreading negative news without source

pavpatel 01-25-2018 04:01 PM

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There is so much toxicity in these forums.

rum123456 01-25-2018 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by dreamer__13 (Post 681218)
Where is your source for the other thread? You don’t know shit just like everyone here.

I understand your frustration, we all are frustrated, but it's true, we went from green cards to begging for extensions, let's hope the deadline get's extended.

libertarian1776 01-25-2018 04:02 PM

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ur post history says otherwise mayne, how hard is it to copy and paste?


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Originally Posted by rum123456 (Post 681215)
I didn't lost credibility, I am stating the reality, we went from Clean dream act Green cards in December to now Begging for at least an extension, wake up, wakeup


DreamerSD23 01-25-2018 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by rum123456 (Post 681223)
I understand your frustration, we all are frustrated, but it's true, we went from green cards to begging for extensions, let's hope the deadline get's extended.

You're the only one begging for extension.

rum123456 01-25-2018 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by jwxie518 (Post 681219)
Stop crying for ban hammer. We have rights to express our opinions. No one is issuing fake news. Time for you to STFU with your complaints. I am done with your negativity here.

This! Yeah exactly, everyone is entitled to their opinion and shall be respected, as long as we are not using foul language against each other, let's keep it Rated PG, we are like a family here!

jwxie518 01-25-2018 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by dreamer__13 (Post 681212)
You lost all credibility with this comment. Mods, banish him.

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Originally Posted by BeansDreamtoo21 (Post 681221)
Woah woah leave doge alone. And it is true that guy is spreading negative news without source

What negative news? He's stating his opinion. What he did on other threads don't matter here. He is suggesting Republicans is sabotaging DA. He can't be pessimistic here?

dreamer__13 01-25-2018 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by rum123456 (Post 681223)
I understand your frustration, we all are frustrated, but it's true, we went from green cards to begging for extensions, let's hope the deadline get's extended.

Source or ban. No extensions. We just want the wall here.

BeansDreamtoo21 01-25-2018 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by jwxie518 (Post 681227)
What negative news? He's stating his opinion. What he did on other threads don't matter here. He is suggesting Republicans is sabotaging DA. He can't be pessimistic here?

It was on another thread

Copper 01-25-2018 04:04 PM

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Trump will not give us an extension. That would mean a new executive order. Something he has already said it’s “unconstitutional”. If he so badly wanted to give us an extension he wouldn’t have take this DACA fight all the way into the Supreme Court.

jwxie518 01-25-2018 04:04 PM

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Also, flag the comment if you don't want to see his comment. He complained about me and another member hijacking some thread before, when he showed up and started shitting. Now he's killing this thread.

jwxie518 01-25-2018 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by BeansDreamtoo21 (Post 681229)
It was on another thread

So what? Does his comment here warrant a ban?

Red neck 01-25-2018 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Copper (Post 681231)
Trump will not give us an extension. That would mean a new executive order. Something he has already said it’s “unconstitutional”. If he so badly wanted to give us an extension he wouldn’t have take this DACA fight all the way into the Supreme Court.

I hope there is no extension that would just kick the can.

dreamer__13 01-25-2018 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by jwxie518 (Post 681233)
So what? Does his comment here warrant a ban?

Yes. He’s spreading lies.

Copper 01-25-2018 04:08 PM

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For those who are asking for a source on this so called extension. Trump has said it in the past he would consider it but won’t make any promises. I’m sure you guys know of a thing called “google”. Use it, it’s really helpful!

dreamer__13 01-25-2018 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Copper (Post 681237)
For those who are asking for a source on this so called extension. Trump has said it in the past he would consider it but won’t make any promises.

No. Rum said he had a source for the upcoming framework the WH is releasing Monday.

libertarian1776 01-25-2018 04:09 PM

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yeah thats fine but u cant just gonin threads and say “according the sources.” and not post the source. wtf?

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Originally Posted by rum123456 (Post 681226)
This! Yeah exactly, everyone is entitled to their opinion and shall be respected, as long as we are not using foul language against each other, let's keep it Rated PG, we are like a family here!


Rida980 01-25-2018 04:09 PM

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No extensions whatsoever. Dreamers have never in the past gained so much exposure. Students have been asked to write essays on DACA( twitter source)Do you think there will be another such movement again? I am fedup of this. Dems have no authority so let Reps do what they want and we'll know where we stand. And we need to know SOON. I dont want to replay everything from Sep 5th till now. Theyve played with our emotions and our status for too long now

Copper 01-25-2018 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by dreamer__13 (Post 681238)
No. Rum said he had a source for the upcoming framework the WH is releasing Monday.

It wouldn’t go with anything these so call sources are saying. Let’s wait until we get the final say come Monday.

FarikoXpress 01-25-2018 04:10 PM

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Kem cho @pav

jwxie518 01-25-2018 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by dreamer__13 (Post 681236)
Yes. He’s spreading lies.

What lies? Let me read what he wrote here ON THIS THREAD.


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rum123456 online
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All poltics, democrats would make sure the bill doesn't pass, they want to first take over the house and senate and wants to take the credit for it, this is the reason why they went to trump with an outrages bill that covers the TPS and includes more chain migration, democrats from their end is playing smart.
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rum123456 online
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yeah i think what will happen in the end is trump is going to extend the deadline, bill will fail. let's be real here this is a comprehensive immigration bill that has 4 subjects tied to it. Immigration bill was not passed the last 2 decade.
What lies did he spread? That he thinks the bill won't pass? That he thinks Trump will extend it? The first is personal opinion. The latter is referring to Trump's recent response.

Red neck 01-25-2018 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by jwxie518 (Post 681243)
What lies? Let me read what he wrote here ON THIS THREAD.






What lies did he spread? That he thinks the bill won't pass? That he thinks Trump will extend it? The first is personal opinion. The latter is referring to Trump's recent response.


He is talking about the other thread.


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