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PapiChulo 04-01-2020 01:41 AM

Will the SCOTUS let Trump deport 27k healthcare workers (DACA) despite COVID-19
 
The coronavirus crisis has taken many Americans by surprise. Few predicted that the US, with all its wealth and human resources, would be so quickly crippled by a pandemic. But the American Association of Medical Colleges (AAMC) did just that last year.

It warned in an amicus brief to the US Supreme Court of a severe shortage in healthcare professionals nationwide, deficiencies that would only be exacerbated in the case of a national emergency like the one happening now. The filing explained that the country now very much relies on more than 27,000 grown children of undocumented immigrants in healthcare and medicine, authorized to work under an Obama-era program introduced in 2012, called Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA).

The Trump administration rescinded the program in 2017, a decision that was challenged by numerous institutions and businesses reliant on the nation’s 700,000 DACA participants. Those challengers accused the Trump administration of inadequately considering the economic and practical consequences of its policy. The AAMC’s “friend of the court” brief, which now seems so very prescient, stated:

The risk of a pandemic…continues to grow, since infectious diseases can spread around the globe in a matter of days due to increased urbanization and international travel. These conditions pose a threat to America’s health security—its preparedness for and ability to withstand incidents with public-health consequences. To ensure health security, the country needs a robust health workforce. Rescinding DACA, however, would deprive the public of domestically educated, well-trained, and otherwise qualified health care professionals who have been provided education in reliance on their ability to continue to work in the United States as health care professionals.

Last October, the justices heard oral arguments in the case. A decision in the matter is now pending and is expected by June. But the current pandemic brings these arguments into stark relief, as lawyers recently reminded the high court.

On March 27, pro bono attorneys from Yale University law school sent a letter to the justices urging them to vacate the administration’s decision to terminate DACA, which lower courts have already found was insufficiently considered. “Healthcare workers on the frontlines of our nation’s fight against Covid-19 rely significantly on DACA recipients to perform essential work…The pandemic sheds new light on the reliance interests of healthcare providers and the public health consequences of ignoring those interests,” they wrote.

The missive isn’t likely to fall on deaf ears, based on the justices’ questions during oral arguments in the case last October.
Institutional interests

Neil Gorsuch pressed solicitor general Noel Francisco—arguing on behalf of the Trump administration—to explain how the program was terminated without considering all the institutions and businesses that need these workers to operate.

Francisco complained, “You can’t argue we completely failed to consider reliance.” He claimed the administration was “keenly aware” that DACA recipients relied on the program.

But Stephen Breyer countered that the question isn’t whether the program’s direct beneficiaries’ interests were considered. Rather, it’s whether the government took into account the needs of everyone else in the country who benefits from their presence.

Breyer had his law clerks count the number of institutions that submitted and signed onto filings attesting to their reliance on DACA. He laid out the total for the solicitor general. “There are 66 healthcare organizations. There are three labor unions. There are 210 educational associations. There are six military organizations. There are three home builders, five states, plus…municipalities and cities, 129 religious organizations, and 145 businesses [and industry associations].”

These organizations’ interests “are not quite the same as those of the 700,000 [DACA workers] who have never seen any other country.” Still, Breyer didn’t seem convinced that the administration laid out the case for changing its policy in light of the many entities who have told the court they relied on its continuation.

The Administrative Procedure Act requires the government to account for reliance interests when making such policy changes. Elena Kagan told Francisco that “one conclusory sentence” in a Department of Homeland Security memo explaining the Trump administration’s about-face held little weight against “the questionable legality” of terminating DACA given the many Americans and US institutions who depend on the program.
The interconnectedness of everyone

Marisol Orihuela, an associate clinical professor of law at Yale who is working on the case, tells Quartz that if the high court finds the Trump administration was within its rights to change the policy—regardless of reliance interests—foreign born healthcare workers authorized to work under DACA could be immediately deported.

Though she cannot specify precisely how many are already under final orders of deportation, there is no doubt that the only thing between them and Immigration and Customs Enforcement is the pending high court decision. ICE and DHS leadership have made statements to that effect all year.

What makes this situation especially ironic is that the Trump administration is urging healthcare workers from abroad to come work in the US in this time of crisis. Meanwhile, it has spent years fighting in court to deport immigrants who didn’t make the decision to come here, arrived when they were children, and are fully integrated into American systems and culture and have been deemed essential.

The effects of rescinding DACA could be “potentially catastrophic,” according to Olihuela. Beyond the 27,000 healthcare professionals putting their own lives on the line to care for the ill right now, there are tens of thousands of essential workers among the DACA recipients—delivery drivers, food service workers, and hospital and healthcare staffers. Representatives of the DACA beneficiaries argue that if the high court allows the Trump administration to move forward with its plan to deport the 700,000 young adults who grew up in the US and know no other home, the impact will be exponential, rippling across communities and industries nationwide.

The dangers of terminating DACA were always evident to healthcare organizations, businesses, and state and local governments that filed briefs in the case. But the current situation makes it practically impossible to deny that DACA can literally save Americans. As Sonia Sotomayor put it at last year’s hearing, “This is about our choice to destroy lives.”



https://qz.com/1828756/daca-will-sco...YPL&yptr=yahoo

Gocchin Sama 04-01-2020 02:35 AM

Re: Will the SCOTUS let Trump deport 27k healthcare workers (DACA) despite COVID-19
 
Short answer: yes.

Conservative justices don’t rule on compassion.

PapiChulo 04-01-2020 03:12 AM

Re: Will the SCOTUS let Trump deport 27k healthcare workers (DACA) despite COVID-19
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Gocchin Sama (Post 746181)
Short answer: yes.

Conservative justices don’t rule on compassion.

you'd be surprised during these times of COVID-19..

DogJuiceMan 04-01-2020 12:28 PM

Re: Will the SCOTUS let Trump deport 27k healthcare workers (DACA) despite COVID-19
 
They won't cancel it, the conservatives on the bench know Trump's reelection chances are licked like finger licking chicken if they cancel it, getting rid of well integrated essential workers, and then happily dump in millions more shady H1B workers with forged degrees and faked educational credentials at a time when the United States is facing record unemployment.

fl_dreamer 04-01-2020 01:05 PM

Re: Will the SCOTUS let Trump deport 27k healthcare workers (DACA) despite COVID-19
 
Guys, Supreme Court rules based on constitution not based on emotions or the economy.

They will cancel it, throw it back to Trump and he will keep us in the limbo... which all things considered is not bad!

Demise 04-01-2020 01:57 PM

Re: Will the SCOTUS let Trump deport 27k healthcare workers (DACA) despite COVID-19
 
You know, I think it might actually be upheld. People don't exactly think of Gorsuch as a swing vote but he's crossed the isle way more often than Roberts. Justices also generally only grill someone when they're not convinced as to their arguments. That and Gorsuch is a corporate shill, "Who will think of the poor business owners" is how to get his attention, none of that "Those kids know no other country" bullcrap.

IamAman 04-01-2020 03:26 PM

Re: Will the SCOTUS let Trump deport 27k healthcare workers (DACA) despite COVID-19
 
Well, yes.

DogJuiceMan 04-01-2020 06:49 PM

Re: Will the SCOTUS let Trump deport 27k healthcare workers (DACA) despite COVID-19
 
DACA won't matter once people start rioting and looting because they are hungry. Our food delivery systems cannot tolerate this much demand.

In Wuhan China where this shitshow started the residents rioted flipped cars and went apeshit after lockdowns ended.
In Italy they formed packs to loot grocery stores.
Refugees in Europe think its a White people disease and refuse to quarantine.

There is a large portion of Americans that mainly eat at restaurants as part of a daily routine.

Just in time has doomed portions of the country to starvation because the food trucks and warehouses cant be replenished quickly enough.

What happens when the farmers, most of who are illegals, can no longer farm?

What happens when enough truckers get sick and can't drive?

What about those who didn't prepare and feel entitled to taking your things?

The nation is perilously close to being the next roman empire unless massive decisive action is taken to ensure there is food security for everyone.

powerfitness 04-01-2020 08:56 PM

Re: Will the SCOTUS let Trump deport 27k healthcare workers (DACA) despite COVID-19
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DogJuiceMan (Post 746198)
DACA won't matter once people start rioting and looting because they are hungry. Our food delivery systems cannot tolerate this much demand.

In Wuhan China where this shitshow started the residents rioted flipped cars and went apeshit after lockdowns ended.
In Italy they formed packs to loot grocery stores.
Refugees in Europe think its a White people disease and refuse to quarantine.

There is a large portion of Americans that mainly eat at restaurants as part of a daily routine.

Just in time has doomed portions of the country to starvation because the food trucks and warehouses cant be replenished quickly enough.

What happens when the farmers, most of who are illegals, can no longer farm?

What happens when enough truckers get sick and can't drive?

What about those who didn't prepare and feel entitled to taking your things?

The nation is perilously close to being the next roman empire unless massive decisive action is taken to ensure there is food security for everyone.

I'm in the Grocery industry, our chain is fine LOL. Stating that our system can't tolerate this demand any longer is simply false. As a distributor rep we have spoken to all segments of the business and while we are stretched thin, there is plenty of food guys.

DogJuiceMan 04-01-2020 09:14 PM

Re: Will the SCOTUS let Trump deport 27k healthcare workers (DACA) despite COVID-19
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by powerfitness (Post 746199)
I'm in the Grocery industry, our chain is fine LOL. Stating that our system can't tolerate this demand any longer is simply false. As a distributor rep we have spoken to all segments of the business and while we are stretched thin, there is plenty of food guys.

Thanks for calming my fears of mass instability due to food shortages.

vft1008 04-02-2020 12:23 PM

Re: Will the SCOTUS let Trump deport 27k healthcare workers (DACA) despite COVID-19
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DogJuiceMan (Post 746200)
Thanks for calming my fears of mass instability due to food shortages.

We're at risk of being the next Roman Empire. Jesus Christ, you're so theatrical.

powerfitness 04-02-2020 12:29 PM

Re: Will the SCOTUS let Trump deport 27k healthcare workers (DACA) despite COVID-19
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by vft1008 (Post 746205)
We're at risk of being the next Roman Empire. Jesus Christ, you're so theatrical.

Very. While demand has risen, the food supply is simply trying to catch up. This causes temporary "shortages", this guy is taking it to the extreme. But hey what do I know, I'm only in the grocery industry. :lol:

Pianoswithoutfaith 04-02-2020 02:24 PM

Re: Will the SCOTUS let Trump deport 27k healthcare workers (DACA) despite COVID-19
 
Lmao we are in for some dark times. What’s gonna happen when migrants worker who pick our greens stop coming?

DogJuiceMan 04-02-2020 06:01 PM

Re: Will the SCOTUS let Trump deport 27k healthcare workers (DACA) despite COVID-19
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by powerfitness (Post 746206)
Very. While demand has risen, the food supply is simply trying to catch up. This causes temporary "shortages", this guy is taking it to the extreme. But hey what do I know, I'm only in the grocery industry. :lol:

Just cause your grocery store in your area is well supplied does not mean all of them in an area are also as well supplied.

or that people have money to buy the food.

IamAman 04-04-2020 12:25 PM

Re: Will the SCOTUS let Trump deport 27k healthcare workers (DACA) despite COVID-19
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pianoswithoutfaith (Post 746208)
Lmao we are in for some dark times. What’s gonna happen when migrants worker who pick our greens stop coming?

If there is one thing I've learned over the decades, just when you think dark times can't get darker, they keep on getting darker. I used to think life was terribly hard and weird in like 1995 and now looking back, 1995 was like the best of times...except for Friends. I always hated Friends.

Pianoswithoutfaith 04-04-2020 01:55 PM

Re: Will the SCOTUS let Trump deport 27k healthcare workers (DACA) despite COVID-19
 
Food production is good now but it’s gonna get
Bad really bad

2Face 04-09-2020 05:41 PM

Re: Will the SCOTUS let Trump deport 27k healthcare workers (DACA) despite COVID-19
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pianoswithoutfaith (Post 746256)
Food production is good now but it’s gonna get
Bad really bad

You'd make a pretty fine reporter at CNN.

Pianoswithoutfaith 04-09-2020 08:51 PM

Re: Will the SCOTUS let Trump deport 27k healthcare workers (DACA) despite COVID-19
 
Get COVID19 2Face, being a red hat you just think it’s a seasonal flu

isk84life 04-09-2020 09:50 PM

Re: Will the SCOTUS let Trump deport 27k healthcare workers (DACA) despite COVID-19
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 2Face (Post 746315)
You'd make a pretty fine reporter at CNN.

Or fox news

2Face 04-09-2020 10:00 PM

Re: Will the SCOTUS let Trump deport 27k healthcare workers (DACA) despite COVID-19
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pianoswithoutfaith (Post 746317)
Get COVID19 2Face, being a red hat you just think it’s a seasonal flu

Lol too late, I’ve probably already had it and recovered.

2Face 04-09-2020 10:10 PM

Re: Will the SCOTUS let Trump deport 27k healthcare workers (DACA) despite COVID-19
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by isk84life (Post 746319)
Or fox news

Yes they are not innocent. Trump shut down this Fox News reporter in his presser yesterday it was funny as hell. I definitely think this is a very serious crisis no doubt, I’ve been staying at home and also have a sister who works at a hospital. But by and large if you look at CNNs coverage, they have his added agenda of making it clear that ALL and EVERYTHING is Trumps fault. It’s totally sickening, not an ounce of positivity in their coverage. The only people I like there are Wolf Blitzer, Sanjay Gupta, and Anderson Cooper...and Chris Cuomo some times, but their coverage online is total crap and geared towards fear and making sure Trump is blamed for everything.

Pianoswithoutfaith 04-09-2020 10:50 PM

Re: Will the SCOTUS let Trump deport 27k healthcare workers (DACA) despite COVID-19
 
Too bad the virus doesn’t go away but goes to sleep. You can get it again and again


But for reals. I am sure by now we are all infected

SurfyB 04-10-2020 07:58 PM

Re: Will the SCOTUS let Trump deport 27k healthcare workers (DACA) despite COVID-19
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pianoswithoutfaith (Post 746322)
Too bad the virus doesn’t go away but goes to sleep. You can get it again and again


But for reals. I am sure by now we are all infected

Testing for Corona as EMS now, can tell you a lot of people have the anti bodies already, which means they had it without knowing. I'm a negative though thank god.

2Face 04-10-2020 11:27 PM

Re: Will the SCOTUS let Trump deport 27k healthcare workers (DACA) despite COVID-19
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SurfyB (Post 746335)
Testing for Corona as EMS now, can tell you a lot of people have the anti bodies already, which means they had it without knowing. I'm a negative though thank god.

Yes, I definitely think this is the case. Late January or so my dad had SEVERE dry cough, like never before. I even asked him recently if he had fevers and he said yes. Went to urgent care, negative for flu. Now fevers I believe are not really common with common cold. And common cold usually produces like cough with phlegm and the fact that I've literally never heard him cough like that before makes me suspicious that it was covid-19. On a personal level, I hope that is true because it would mean he's got immunity but if that is true that means there's tons of people out there who don't know they've got it.

I really think a lot of people have had it and recovered and don't even know. Mass Antibody testing would be clutch.

Pianoswithoutfaith 04-11-2020 12:00 AM

Re: Will the SCOTUS let Trump deport 27k healthcare workers (DACA) despite COVID-19
 
are the antibodies noticable? I read a report from South Korea or China that after recovery, they barely noticed any but not sure how true is that

SurfyB 04-11-2020 01:34 PM

Re: Will the SCOTUS let Trump deport 27k healthcare workers (DACA) despite COVID-19
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pianoswithoutfaith (Post 746346)
are the antibodies noticable? I read a report from South Korea or China that after recovery, they barely noticed any but not sure how true is that

I mean honestly the test is in beta I think, and the only for "sure" thing is when you come out negative, the positive one, could be anti bodies from other covid strains, even an immune response to something different, they're using these tests just to kinda grasp how many people couldv'e been sick without knowing. But this is FL, it's probably some mayor getting a lot of money for doing this.

Here's a link if you wanna look into it: https://www.miamiherald.com/news/cor...241750556.html

Pianoswithoutfaith 04-11-2020 04:22 PM

Re: Will the SCOTUS let Trump deport 27k healthcare workers (DACA) despite COVID-19
 
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-h...-idUSKCN21S15X

isk84life 04-11-2020 05:39 PM

Re: Will the SCOTUS let Trump deport 27k healthcare workers (DACA) despite COVID-19
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pianoswithoutfaith (Post 746352)

"Jeong Eun-kyeong, director of the Korea Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (KCDC), told a briefing that the virus may have been “reactivated” rather than the patients being re-infected."

Pianoswithoutfaith 04-11-2020 10:26 PM

Re: Will the SCOTUS let Trump deport 27k healthcare workers (DACA) despite COVID-19
 
yes the virus goes into a dormancy, there is some left, so people shouldn't act like they recovered fully

justjohnjustice1988 04-13-2020 08:05 PM

Re: Will the SCOTUS let Trump deport 27k healthcare workers (DACA) despite COVID-19
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DogJuiceMan (Post 746187)
They won't cancel it, the conservatives on the bench know Trump's reelection chances are licked like finger licking chicken if they cancel it, getting rid of well integrated essential workers, and then happily dump in millions more shady H1B workers with forged degrees and faked educational credentials at a time when the United States is facing record unemployment.

Exactly! Here we are, American educated and assimilated, but who cares right?

Deport the educated, while importing uneducated family sponsored immigrants.

Bad economics. Period.

justjohnjustice1988 04-13-2020 08:12 PM

Re: Will the SCOTUS let Trump deport 27k healthcare workers (DACA) despite COVID-19
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 2Face (Post 746321)
Yes they are not innocent. Trump shut down this Fox News reporter in his presser yesterday it was funny as hell. I definitely think this is a very serious crisis no doubt, I’ve been staying at home and also have a sister who works at a hospital. But by and large if you look at CNNs coverage, they have his added agenda of making it clear that ALL and EVERYTHING is Trumps fault. It’s totally sickening, not an ounce of positivity in their coverage. The only people I like there are Wolf Blitzer, Sanjay Gupta, and Anderson Cooper...and Chris Cuomo some times, but their coverage online is total crap and geared towards fear and making sure Trump is blamed for everything.

I agree to some extent.

MSNBC is a lot more aggressively trying to paint Trump as somehow responsible.

Yes, Trump did put off drastic moves to slow the spread.

But it was China who hid it for almost a month and that allowed its citizens to STILL travel internationally and then SPREAD IT everywhere they went!

All my differences aside from Trump and his supporters, I think the media has been trying to make him weak cause of the crisis.

I just wish Trump would stop being so petty even in his briefings.

But other than that, I hope the economy opens up as fast as possible.

Biden will have to win the election based on his own terms and the Democrats alternative proposal, NOT Trump being unfairly blamed for the COVID-19 clusterfuck.

No matter what, its going to be a close election.

I'm applying soon for a U-Visa, not taking my chances lol

Pianoswithoutfaith 04-15-2020 08:45 PM

Re: Will the SCOTUS let Trump deport 27k healthcare workers (DACA) despite COVID-19
 
China should have told the world of what was happening, but Trump also shouldn't have ended the team Obama left him. Not only did he disbanded a team of responders for this exact scenario, but he disbanded a team of experts studying coronaviruses


When Bush picked up a book about the 1918 spanish flu, he acted


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