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Red neck 04-08-2021 08:15 AM

U.S. Senator Manchin, in threat to Biden agenda, opposes reconciliation, backs filibu
 
WASHINGTON (Reuters) -U.S. Democratic Senator Joe Manchin, a pivotal vote in the evenly divided Senate, said on Wednesday he was opposed to a process called reconciliation that makes it easier to pass bills without Republican support, a potential blow to President Joe Biden’s chances of passing a huge infrastructure measure.


Manchin also said he would not support any step to weaken the ability of Republicans to mount filibusters to block legislation. Some Democrats want to toss aside the filibuster rule, which requires 60 votes in the 100-member chamber to approve most bills.

“I simply do not believe budget reconciliation should replace regular order in the Senate,” Manchin said in an opinion piece in the Washington Post. “Senate Democrats must avoid the temptation to abandon our Republican colleagues on important national issues.”

Democrats relied on the budget reconciliation process to avoid a possible Republican filibuster and pass Biden’s $1.9 trillion coronavirus relief bill in March with a simple majority in the Senate. They have been considering doing the same with Biden’s proposed infrastructure package.

“The filibuster is a critical tool to protecting that input and our democratic form of government. That is why I have said it before and will say it again to remove any shred of doubt: There is no circumstance in which I will vote to eliminate or weaken the filibuster,” Manchin said.

“Every time the Senate voted to weaken the filibuster in the past decade, the political dysfunction and gridlock have grown more severe,” Manchin wrote, saying it was time to end “political games” and return to a “new era of bipartisanship.”

The centrist Democrat from West Virginia said last month he could see making filibusters more “painful” to carry out, although he was not in favor of eliminating them.

Biden said two weeks ago that the procedural maneuver was being misused “in a gigantic way” and should be more difficult to carry out. He said he favored a return to the “talking filibuster” - a tradition from decades ago that required senators to occupy the floor and make their case against legislation if they opposed it.

Manchin has been willing on some issues to cross party lines, so his support is crucial to any bill passing in the 50-50 Senate. Democrats control the chamber because Vice President Kamala Harris can break a tie.

The Senate parliamentarian ruled on Monday that Democrats could use reconciliation to pass more legislation this year, and Democrats were considering using the process to pass Biden’s infrastructure investment package.

Biden wants to spend $2.3 trillion on roads and bridges, retrofitting homes, expanding broadband internet access, caring for the elderly, building up domestic manufacturers and building high-speed rail, a proposal that has run into stiff opposition from Republicans.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKBN2BV03B

2Face 04-08-2021 08:56 AM

Re: U.S. Senator Manchin, in threat to Biden agenda, opposes reconciliation, backs fi
 
There you have it...as expected....There goes the "reconciliation" option. Blue Dogs will always be the death of DA.

FLDreamerrr 04-08-2021 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by 2Face (Post 759348)
There you have it...as expected....There goes the "reconciliation" option. Blue Dogs will always be the death of DA.

I thought this was the year Joey would make an exceptional deal

2Face 04-08-2021 09:55 AM

Re: U.S. Senator Manchin, in threat to Biden agenda, opposes reconciliation, backs fi
 
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Originally Posted by FLDreamerrr (Post 759352)
I thought this was the year Joey would make an exceptional deal

Joey is surely most likely working on a DA compromise of monumental proportions...but that will include a traditional bill passing (requiring 60 votes). This reconciliation crap is not possible with immigration related bills...Demmys will never let that happen.

sk16 04-08-2021 10:05 AM

Re: U.S. Senator Manchin, in threat to Biden agenda, opposes reconciliation, backs fi
 
why is he even running as a Democrat?!! his state better vote him out!

Imthexman 04-08-2021 10:19 AM

Re: U.S. Senator Manchin, in threat to Biden agenda, opposes reconciliation, backs fi
 
Reconciliation (and if approved by the parlamentarian) is the only option, what 10 Republicans are going to join the dems to pass an immigration bill? It even sounds like a joke.

Manching is the democratic Susan Collins, always criticizing her own party but voting with them every time.

hDreamer1988 04-08-2021 10:19 AM

Re: U.S. Senator Manchin, in threat to Biden agenda, opposes reconciliation, backs fi
 
This is just a show because he needs to put on his act for his WV voters. As soon as talks with the GOP breakdown, he can say "I tried to include them but they did not want to deal" and support the reconciliation as long as the bill is not overly liberal.

For any DA to pass, Manchin said he is willing to support it as long as there is border security attached...

He will not support a clean or weak bill.

hDreamer1988 04-08-2021 10:21 AM

Re: U.S. Senator Manchin, in threat to Biden agenda, opposes reconciliation, backs fi
 
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Reconciliation (and if approved by the parlamentarian) is the only option, what 10 Republicans are going to join the dems to pass an immigration bill? It even sounds like a joke.

Manching is the democratic Susan Collins, always criticizing her own party but voting with them every time.
I agree. He needs to because he is a Dem senator from a dominant Red state... So much of politics is theatre... you need to be an acting major in college to get a job in congress. You have to be able to fake outrage just as good as bipartisanship

frbc13 04-08-2021 10:53 AM

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No manches Manchin!

vft1008 04-08-2021 12:21 PM

Re: U.S. Senator Manchin, in threat to Biden agenda, opposes reconciliation, backs fi
 
Biden about to take executive action on gun regulations and gun violence. When congress just sits on their ass and gets nothing done, someone's gotta take extreme action to get shit done.

This won't make R's happy, though and does not fall on the happy rainbow of bipartisanship. D's need to start playing dirty.

Swim19 04-08-2021 12:31 PM

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Eh...I think it will be easier to convince Manchin than 10 GOP...

2MoreYears 04-08-2021 12:57 PM

Re: U.S. Senator Manchin, in threat to Biden agenda, opposes reconciliation, backs fi
 
But I was told a deal was IMMINENT? or was it just BS ...?

Whoever said so has zero credibility then. Sad.

justjohnjustice1988 04-08-2021 05:51 PM

Re: U.S. Senator Manchin, in threat to Biden agenda, opposes reconciliation, backs fi
 
Told you so.

In a 50-50 Senate, the only way forward is through bipartisan legislative action and regular order.

Proud of Manchin for telling his own Party to stop the hyper partisanship and include Senators from the minority.

The Senate had and will always be the best legislative chamber. Don't cheapen it by making it more like the House, a majoritarian institution that has always passed messaging political bills and not really an attempt to pass legislation.

Sinema and Manchin take their roles as Senators seriously and respect the institution.

Democrats sure would love to ram through their liberal wishlist. Plus the Supreme Court is 6-3 so God bless the US Constitution.

Manchin only answers to his constituency, not national liberals. I don't get why he is getting so much smack. He said he is for CIR. I guess he ain't woke enough for the libs/sjws

Remember when Joe Biden ran his track record of getting bipartisan bills through the Senate?

Dems in Congress are spending their precious limited time in the majority thinking how not to work with the GOP. Has Biden had regular meetings with the big four in Congress? I don't think so.

It's either he is lazy or his administration is really so left wing they don't really wanna solve a problem. Working together with the opposite party is the only way forward in the Senate. Unless you got 60 seats, I don't see most bills getting passed. Yeah reconciliation can get you taxes and spending but most other issues need consensus.

Pelosi is also at fault. Such a partisan hack not willing to compromise.

FLDreamerrr 04-08-2021 06:58 PM

Re: U.S. Senator Manchin, in threat to Biden agenda, opposes reconciliation, backs fi
 
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Originally Posted by Swim19 (Post 759365)
Eh...I think it will be easier to convince Manchin than 10 GOP...

Factoidss

2Face 04-08-2021 08:04 PM

Re: U.S. Senator Manchin, in threat to Biden agenda, opposes reconciliation, backs fi
 
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Originally Posted by FLDreamerrr (Post 759371)
Factoidss

Aka Dead On Arrival LMFAO

dreamer12345 04-08-2021 08:20 PM

Re: U.S. Senator Manchin, in threat to Biden agenda, opposes reconciliation, backs fi
 
Let's put it to the test, let's have Manchin be the sole nay from the dems side.

IamAman 04-08-2021 08:36 PM

Re: U.S. Senator Manchin, in threat to Biden agenda, opposes reconciliation, backs fi
 
This guy just bent us over and screwed us.

vft1008 04-08-2021 08:41 PM

Re: U.S. Senator Manchin, in threat to Biden agenda, opposes reconciliation, backs fi
 
He didn't vote for DA in 2010. What do you all expect?

He is an R in a blue suit.

lakers1824 04-08-2021 08:57 PM

Re: U.S. Senator Manchin, in threat to Biden agenda, opposes reconciliation, backs fi
 
best shot Dems have at doing anything is finding a way to keep the house. Odds are they will pick up 2-3 senate seats in PA, WI or North Carolina. They may lose 1 seat but odds are they will keep the senate. If Dems find a way to win 2-3 senate seats Manchin and Sinema will be irrelevant. Hardest part will be keeping the house because of all the gerrymandering and the new census will favor Republicans.

Smooth 04-08-2021 09:12 PM

Re: U.S. Senator Manchin, in threat to Biden agenda, opposes reconciliation, backs fi
 
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Originally Posted by lakers1824 (Post 759378)
best shot Dems have at doing anything is finding a way to keep the house. Odds are they will pick up 2-3 senate seats in PA, WI or North Carolina. They may lose 1 seat but odds are they will keep the senate. If Dems find a way to win 2-3 senate seats Manchin and Sinema will be irrelevant. Hardest part will be keeping the house because of all the gerrymandering and the new census will favor Republicans.

Not a good strategy. Dems really need to start playing dirty now. I agree with compa sacra on that one.

lakers1824 04-08-2021 09:37 PM

Re: U.S. Senator Manchin, in threat to Biden agenda, opposes reconciliation, backs fi
 
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Originally Posted by Smooth (Post 759379)
Not a good strategy. Dems really need to start playing dirty now. I agree with compa sacra on that one.

how are they going to play dirty when Manchin and Sinema are basically moderate Republicans??? That is why they need to make them irrelevant. Dems win 2-3 more senate seats and Manchin can become a republican for all I care.

2Face 04-08-2021 10:28 PM

Re: U.S. Senator Manchin, in threat to Biden agenda, opposes reconciliation, backs fi
 
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Originally Posted by vft1008 (Post 759377)
He didn't vote for DA in 2010. What do you all expect?

He is an R in a blue suit.

I thought it was the entire Republican contingent that killed DA? Now we are all of a sudden angry at one Dem....SMH.

Reconciliation is NOT happening.

The only way DA can pass is with 60 votes and for this Republican votes ARE NEEDED. There is literally no other option out there. This is a must.

vft1008 04-08-2021 10:41 PM

Re: U.S. Senator Manchin, in threat to Biden agenda, opposes reconciliation, backs fi
 
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Originally Posted by 2Face (Post 759383)
I thought it was the entire Republican contingent that killed DA? Now we are all of a sudden angry at one Dem....SMH.

Stop making shit up in your mind. Your ploy is getting old. Yawn.

hDreamer1988 04-08-2021 11:10 PM

Re: U.S. Senator Manchin, in threat to Biden agenda, opposes reconciliation, backs fi
 
Manchin wants to try to work the GOP first before going at it through reconciliation, that is his actual stance because that is the platform he runs on. That is his idea of bipartisanship.. He is not going to be the sole vote to sink a massive bill if negotiation with gop fails. Look at the latest bill... I think this is getting blown out of proportion.

This is a long waiting game for us... when the situation at the border being to die down.. the immigration bills will be brought up again.

vft1008 04-08-2021 11:21 PM

Re: U.S. Senator Manchin, in threat to Biden agenda, opposes reconciliation, backs fi
 
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Originally Posted by hDreamer1988 (Post 759386)
This is a long waiting game for us... when the situation at the border being to die down.. the immigration bills will be brought up again.


Dreamers when this finally happens:

https://i.imgur.com/MhGfxQq.jpg?1

hDreamer1988 04-08-2021 11:27 PM

Re: U.S. Senator Manchin, in threat to Biden agenda, opposes reconciliation, backs fi
 
lol if were that white, we would be citizens by now.

vft1008 04-08-2021 11:30 PM

Re: U.S. Senator Manchin, in threat to Biden agenda, opposes reconciliation, backs fi
 
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Originally Posted by hDreamer1988 (Post 759388)
lol if were that white, we would be citizens by now.

We're gonna get all pasty and lose our color from all the stress and bickering on DAP for another 15 or 20 years until Dream Act passes.

justjohnjustice1988 04-09-2021 12:15 AM

Re: U.S. Senator Manchin, in threat to Biden agenda, opposes reconciliation, backs fi
 
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Originally Posted by hDreamer1988 (Post 759388)
lol if were that white, we would be citizens by now.

What an ignorant think to say.

You sound like the fake news media always calling Latinos "brown" when Latinos are by far the most diverse community of people's, from darkest to, yes pale ass Latinos that might have blond hair or colored eyes.

People forget the Spanish ARE European whites. Many Latin countries have very varied range of skin color because of the mixing of natives and Europeans

I think you might have attended way too many white bashing left wing orgs like BLM or anything leftist media wants to pin on "evil white men".

"Poor colored me" mentality only makes you look weak and not in control of your own destiny.

I don't consider race at all. Human is the onl

Where I'm from I grew up with almost all gueros (white Mexicans) so making this about skin color again just shows how overly and poorly educated most young minorities are growing up, being told to resent and hate people of white skin. Totally retarded.

Read a book. Libraries are free

justjohnjustice1988 04-09-2021 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by vft1008 (Post 759389)
We're gonna get all pasty and lose our color from all the stress and bickering on DAP for another 15 or 20 years until Dream Act passes.

Im already sizing up property in Puerto Vallarta.

Obviously not for now but in the next 5-10 years. I wanna live comfortably if I need to go back, like the good ol capitalist that we should all be.

Always have a plan B.

hDreamer1988 04-09-2021 12:36 AM

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What an ignorant think to say.

You sound like the fake news media always calling Latinos "brown" when Latinos are by far the most diverse community of people's, from darkest to, yes pale ass Latinos that might have blond hair or colored eyes.

People forget the Spanish ARE European whites. Many Latin countries have very varied range of skin color because of the mixing of natives and Europeans

I think you might have attended way too many white bashing left wing orgs like BLM or anything leftist media wants to pin on "evil white men".

"Poor colored me" mentality only makes you look weak and not in control of your own destiny.

I don't consider race at all. Human is the onl

Where I'm from I grew up with almost all gueros (white Mexicans) so making this about skin color again just shows how overly and poorly educated most young minorities are growing up, being told to resent and hate people of white skin. Totally retarded.

Read a book. Libraries are free
If you looked at the post before it...you may have understood that it was said in jest... but obviously, the joke went over your head. You can put your woke liberal anger away..

vft1008 04-09-2021 01:14 AM

Re: U.S. Senator Manchin, in threat to Biden agenda, opposes reconciliation, backs fi
 
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Originally Posted by hDreamer1988 (Post 759393)
If you looked at the post before it...you may have understood that it was said in jest... but obviously, the joke went over your head. You can put your woke liberal anger away..

Ironically, 1) his failure to see the nature of your post and 2) the content of his response only show he's the only one obsessing over skin color and how there's different grades of Hispanic people. He probably thinks he's of a superior type given the MAGA he is.

He probably has a framed picture of Stephen Miller on his bedside table.

hDreamer1988 04-09-2021 01:25 AM

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He probably has a framed picture of Stephen Miller on his bedside table.
That or a dildo... they both look the same..... i absolutely hate miller

PapiChulo 04-09-2021 02:02 AM

Re: U.S. Senator Manchin, in threat to Biden agenda, opposes reconciliation, backs fi
 
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Originally Posted by justjohnjustice1988 (Post 759390)
What an ignorant think to say.

You sound like the fake news media always calling Latinos "brown" when Latinos are by far the most diverse community of people's, from darkest to, yes pale ass Latinos that might have blond hair or colored eyes.

People forget the Spanish ARE European whites. Many Latin countries have very varied range of skin color because of the mixing of natives and Europeans

I think you might have attended way too many white bashing left wing orgs like BLM or anything leftist media wants to pin on "evil white men".

"Poor colored me" mentality only makes you look weak and not in control of your own destiny.

I don't consider race at all. Human is the onl

Where I'm from I grew up with almost all gueros (white Mexicans) so making this about skin color again just shows how overly and poorly educated most young minorities are growing up, being told to resent and hate people of white skin. Totally retarded.

Read a book. Libraries are free

you must be so fun to be around with at parties or hangouts with a group of friends.

Catcherenme 04-09-2021 08:00 AM

Re: U.S. Senator Manchin, in threat to Biden agenda, opposes reconciliation, backs fi
 
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Originally Posted by hDreamer1988 (Post 759395)
That or a dildo... they both look the same..... i absolutely hate miller

Quote:

Originally Posted by justjohnjustice1988 (Post 759390)
What an ignorant think to say.

You sound like the fake news media always calling Latinos "brown" when Latinos are by far the most diverse community of people's, from darkest to, yes pale ass Latinos that might have blond hair or colored eyes.

People forget the Spanish ARE European whites. Many Latin countries have very varied range of skin color because of the mixing of natives and Europeans

I think you might have attended way too many white bashing left wing orgs like BLM or anything leftist media wants to pin on "evil white men".

"Poor colored me" mentality only makes you look weak and not in control of your own destiny.

I don't consider race at all. Human is the onl

Where I'm from I grew up with almost all gueros (white Mexicans) so making this about skin color again just shows how overly and poorly educated most young minorities are growing up, being told to resent and hate people of white skin. Totally retarded.

Read a book. Libraries are free

Point well taken, but you overreacted.

hDreamer1988 04-09-2021 10:06 AM

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Point well taken, but you overreacted.
There is never an overreaction when it comes to hating Stephen Miller.

justjohnjustice1988 04-09-2021 10:14 AM

Re: U.S. Senator Manchin, in threat to Biden agenda, opposes reconciliation, backs fi
 
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Originally Posted by vft1008 (Post 759394)
Ironically, 1) his failure to see the nature of your post and 2) the content of his response only show he's the only one obsessing over skin color and how there's different grades of Hispanic people. He probably thinks he's of a superior type given the MAGA he is.

He probably has a framed picture of Stephen Miller on his bedside table.

Where in my post does it say "there's different grades of Hispanic" and when did I say I was superior?

What I'm trying to say is that I'm tired of people saying that all Latinos look and act the same.

Its ignorant to say Latinos are brown.

You guys see more race than MSNBC anchors do :)

justjohnjustice1988 04-09-2021 10:16 AM

Re: U.S. Senator Manchin, in threat to Biden agenda, opposes reconciliation, backs fi
 
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Originally Posted by hDreamer1988 (Post 759395)
That or a dildo... they both look the same..... i absolutely hate miller

Homophobic much...

2MoreYears 04-09-2021 10:23 AM

Re: U.S. Senator Manchin, in threat to Biden agenda, opposes reconciliation, backs fi
 
We have our own Millers in the house. Absolutely the worst.

2Face 04-09-2021 10:37 AM

Re: U.S. Senator Manchin, in threat to Biden agenda, opposes reconciliation, backs fi
 
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Originally Posted by hDreamer1988 (Post 759403)
There is never an overreaction when it comes to hating Stephen Miller.

Steve "Squidward" Miller once was legit drafting plans to round up ALL immigrants and ship them off to Mexico in trains....lmfao. Good riddance!

If DAPers had their way, they'd like to throw Justice John on that train as well lmfao.....

hDreamer1988 04-09-2021 10:43 AM

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Homophobic much...
In what way is that homophobic? I am not saying anything about his sexual preference but likening his appearance to that of a synthetic penis.

Again, you seem to not understand context or unable to read a post in the correct context.

Please, put your woke liberal anger away.


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