Parliamentarian asking for another round of discussion and debate
 

When and how this end only the lord knows

https://mobile.twitter.com/pablorepo...901470213?s=21

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Seems to me like she is very undecided, first she asked for more docs and now she wants to debate? She should have known at least a month ago that this was coming her way.

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IF she okay's it, do you all feel confident there will be 50 yes votes in the Senate for this?

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And Manchin still being a dbag

https://mobile.twitter.com/PabloRepo...16578502971405

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Durbin feeling confident

https://mobile.twitter.com/jason_don...34283658383363

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Does anyone feel like 8 million is excessive? I feel like even if the Parlamantairan agrees, Manchin and Sinema will never vote for 8 million. I know the UWD crowd is gonna rip me for saying this, but the Dems have to bring the number down!!!!

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no shit you start high so you can negotiate somewhere in the middle

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LOL, he's been feeling confident for 20+ years. Gimme a break.

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There's plenty of room to negotiate and budge! Get it done ASAP!!

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Can't really blame him, dude has my respect.

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She's playing hard to get

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the issue isn't the size of people covered I don't think... if you included less people, it would have less of a budgetary impact so you'd be kneecaping that argument.

wonder what this all means... did she go back and forth like this with the minimum wage? Not sure what she's expecting another round of arguments is going to do since I assume everything has already been covered in the meeting and the memos... I hope this isn't a kabuki theater like i'm thinking.

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She didn't. I believe that was decided in a period of 72hrs.

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hmm, wonder what she's expecting another debate to change then... I guess the minimum wage wasn't something you could go back and forth on, some articles have been talking about immigration is something that could be somewhat negotiated or offered alternatives. Hopefully she's trying to be sweet talked into an alternative? :confused:

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Not to mention this won't be the first time an immigration issue passes thru reconciliation, why was it OK to cut visas back then via reconciliation? She better have a good explanation, furthermore the house just passed this provision and the house parliamentarian didn't say a word about it.

Regarding the passing of the whole infrastructure bill and the fifty votes; this is the only thing the democrats have going for them they've put all the eggs in one basket, they will campaign on this next year, if nothing passes they are toasted next year.

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Yes I think so. Manchin came out in support for it - added he supported the gang of 8 Bill back in the day

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A negotiation tactic. I highly doubt, in all seriousness, that Senate Democrats in particular are going to greenlight legalization for anyone who came to US by Jan 1 2021 and was under 18. Manchin / Sinema, in their bid to trim the overall budget number, will lead Dems to narrow down the immigration provision among other things.

Clearly, Dems have indicated that this isn't going anywhere without Parliamentarian's blessings. Whether legalization as a concept is allowed in a budget bill is the main question.

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As much as we would like to use the 2005 case as a precedence, there were some key differences. Keeping in mind that the objection is not self-enforcing, the immigration provision was NEVER challenged by anyone to begin with. Parliamentarian was never brought into the picture. So, we really have no clue how the Parliamentarian would have acted on it.

This time around, Republicans are going to challenge the provision and that's when the Parliamentarian will come in. Durbin is trying to stay ahead of the game and get Parliamentarian's feedback now while the bill is being drafted, versus being disappointed later when we are closer to the finish line.

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I've heard this argument in the past but I find it very weak at best, so are we saying that any decision that a parliamentarian has made in the past can only be used as a precedent only if it has been challenged? lol

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No, I was highlighting the fact that the parliamentarian actually NEVER made a decision on the immigration question back in 2005.

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Yes. There may be Dems objecting to the overall scope of legalization, but if Parliamentarian rules in support of legalization, Dems are not going to come against immigration in general.

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UPDATE FROM SENATOR DURBIN TODAY (09.14.21):

"The judiciary committee is the first committee into the reconciliation pool. Literally we are in the Byrd Bath as its known as in the Senate, where presentation is being made on behalf of the provisions that we've offered for changing immigration in the United States.

That matter is now being considered by the Senate Parliamentarian. Many of you have asked me repeatedly whether she's going to rule or how is she going to rule and the answer to either of those questions is - that is entirely in her (parliamentarian's) hands at this point.

We believe immigration is a critical element in reconciliation for three reasons:

First reason: how many years have we all complained that the immigration system in America is broken and needs to be fixed. It's been thirty five years since the Congress passed an immigration reform bill signed into law by President Ronald Reagan. It is time for us to again address the needs when it comes to immigration.

Secondly, this immigration bill does have a cost associated with it. If more and more people become legal permanent residents, they qualify for some government programs. But all of the leading economists agree that every dollar that is paid out in a federal program to a legal permanent resident, ten dollars are returned to the economy because they'll be able to work, buy homes, and be an integral part of the future as our economy grows.

And the final issue is the one that's obvious. We need workers in America. These people are in America already. They are the dreamers, the TPS, the agriculture workers, they are the ones in the essential workforce who have kept us whole during this pandemic. To bring them into a legal status gives them a chance to be a functioning part of this economy in a real way.

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y'all don't get it. Gridlock is what they're paid for, otherwise they'd have to legislate and that could endanger their donors.

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Yeah, the fact that so much is riding on this person, doesn't bode well in my opinion. I mean it'll give Dems a scapegoat.

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Been saying this from Day 1....Chucky and Nancy are known for this...They will not let go of the Dreamer issue (aka pass something) easily....They will make every attempt to prolong this as much as possible....They DO NOT want Dreamers to be legalized...at least for now....

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Yeah, the same way they used the DA back in late 2000's and early 2010's. I hate to agree with you guys but I have a feeling this could be right. On the other hand, this could be the last chance they get to pass something and I am hopeful they will be forced to water down the bill to at least only include DACA recipients.

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They have multiple options they plan on pinning the blame on for this.....Parliamentarian, Sinema, and Manchin....

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Idk man. Let's hope for the best but prepare for disappointment. They know we are the perfect tool to play political football with and it won't be too easy to just blame it on a name. That's not how people and organizations view this. It's all blue vs red. A guy from the blue team killed it? It's the whole team's fault.

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Oh ....I am convinced....The ONLY way to GC for Dreamers is via marriage adjustment. Congress...especially under Democrats...are not going to be passing Dream Act.....Too much for them to lose.

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I was convinced we would never get shit prior to DACA and here we are.

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Biden is no longer working his Senate experience and connections for a massive, glorious deal? Dang, why did I buy into all the hype? *snaps fingers*

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You must be under the delusion that a Republican Congress would pass the DREAM ACT, then?

What would they specifically lose?

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Well, lucky for us, Dems are slowing losing the hispanic vote, they might think they need to do this to recover, I mean we all know these politicians are only looking out for themselves.

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I don't think he means that reps will ever pass the DA. I think he's trying to say it's all about the timing. The dems will try to squeeze us till the very end.

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Well… He said Congress… “especially under Democrats” is not going to pass DREAM Act. That makes it sound like a Republican Congress is more likely to pass it. I actually don’t get it. What would Democrats get by “squeezing” us? Or, what would they lose if they passed it? In this polarized political environment, I think Democrats have nothing to lose and more to gain.

In the past, 10 years ago or more, they could not dare to do this alone. But, after the Trump presidency, they went further to the left on immigration because Democratic voters did so after being very turned off by Trump’s immigration policies and rhetoric in general. Also, DACA is popular even among American voters. So, they won’t face backlash they would have faced like 10 years ago. The immigration provisions being examined by the parliamentarian are quite narrow, compared to past comprehensive immigration reform bills. Immigration is a polarizing issue between Democrats and Republicans. But, I don’t think it holds the same polarizing energy once it had… at least with the current one. Those who disapprove of Democrats due to their immigration policies are already hard-core Republicans. Nothing really changes.. maybe except their renewed focus on their anti-immigration talks.

Also, Democrats are trying to achieve as much as possible before they lose power in Congress. So, I actually don’t get it when people say Democrats in Congress are trying to drag it as long as possible. Dragging it for what?

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The assumption around these parts is that Democrats think of us as cash cows and groups like UWD being able to raise money off the undocumented crowd for their own use.

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If this bill passes, will we have to leave the country to adjust status/get our green cards?

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I hate it here sometimes.

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Sorry? It was just a genuine question

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Genuine response. We won't.