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https://chicago.suntimes.com/2021/9/...on-budget-bill

• Durbin is the chair of the Senate Judiciary Committee and the founder of the crusade to give legal status to Dreamers, people who came to the U.S. illegally as youths through no fault of their own. In a joint statement with Sen. Alex Padilla, D-Calif., chair of the Senate Judiciary Subcommittee on Immigration, Citizenship, and Border Safety, Durbin said, “We are deeply disappointed in the Parliamentarian’s decision, but the fight for immigration reform will continue. Senate Democrats have prepared an alternative proposal for the Parliamentarian’s consideration in the coming days.”

• Rep. Jesus “Chuy” Garcia, D-Ill., said in a statement, “I am deeply disappointed by the Senate parliamentarian’s decision against including a pathway to citizenship in budget reconciliation. But the fight is far from over. We are prepared for this, we have a plan, and we remain optimistic. The parliamentarian ruled against one approach but Senate Democrats have the final say. We must do right by the immigrants who have kept our country going during the pandemic, including the over 40,000 DACA recipients, TPS holders, farm workers, and essential workers in my district who help our communities thrive. I will not stop fighting until they have a pathway to citizenship in the country they call home, and I urge the Senate to have the courage to overrule this decision.

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So what can they change in this alternative proposal that will affect the budget and not be incidental? I thought the 8 million people claiming food stamps was the only way that could happen. What else can they do?

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You didn't read what the parliamentarian said. She acknowledged there was a budgetary impact beyond being incidental. She claimed however that the other impacts far outweighed the budgetary impact however.

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So us being happy far outweighs the budgetary impact. But if they only codify DACA into law, she'll say there won't be enough budgetary impact. I can already see this being her next argument to fuck us.

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it goes on and on and on...the vicious cycle

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See ya in 2041

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This plan b be makes absolutely no sense, so the dems are going to ask Lord Elizabeth to allow a fraction of the original 8 million and residency instead of citizenship and she is going to cave? And then plan c would be to ask Lord Elizabeth to allow the dems to update the registry date? Lol

This is sad but freaking comical.

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Careful. You will trigger some sensitive people here by "killing morale".

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8 million was way too big of a number

Essential workers including Uber eats drivers? LMAO of course no.

Stick to DACAs only

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I don’t do UBER eats but damn why shouldn’t they? People were scared to go out and get stuff done in person so technically they should qualify because delivery people were a huge part of the pandemic.

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But she said that since legalization would make an huge impact in the life of immigrants that it outweighs the 100+ billion dollars. With that logic, even one person being legalized would outweigh any budgetary impact. She's not budging, she probably got the direction from her political masters.

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The way people in this forum think about non-DACAers is the same way republicans thing about all immigrants.

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The parliamentarian seemed very focused on the essential worker provision:

I'd say removing the essential worker provision and just focusing on the DACA could probably pass the Byrd Rule? I think you can justify converting an EAD to a LPR.

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Trying to push immigration into a reconciliation bill was a political move by Dems. Parliamentarian has questioned the entire concept of legalizing the undocumented, and not just the numbers/approach, etc.

I can't think of any way around this within reconciliation, unfortunately, as long as the outcome of the policy change is giving green cards. [The whole registry date approach is nonsensical]. Reconciliation is not the vehicle for it.

My position on immigration reform is work on targeted bills, not a ginormous immigration reform. Start with the low hanging fruit of active DACA recipients, etc. (I am selfish :)) .

Democrats should have focused on smaller "wins" every year, let's say. But they chose political noise over practicality.

Now Democrats will go into midterms saying "we tried but the parliamentarian let us down." At which point, the voters will ask "who the hell is the parliamentarian", and they will vote them out!

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If it was that simple, it would have been done. Good luck finding enough votes in the Senate.

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Exactly.

EW clause is what makes it so onerous.

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If latest news is to be followed, next "proposal" is Dreamers only immigration. If by Dreamers they strictly mean active and eligible DACA recipient, then the keys points are:

1. All DACA recipients either have an EAD or can get one. From EAD to LPR is not as big of a change as going from nothing to LPR. [Is this too big of a policy change???]

2. Giving DACA recipients permanent residency, will it have a big enough budgetary impact????

None of this looks promising.

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She pretty much signaled that she's a no regardless of the argument.

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Parliamentarian: "It's gonna be a no for me dawg"

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Honestly can't wait till I am off of Dems balls.

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Fucking Republican. How dare she

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Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
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Some of the options are:

- Ignore/override the parliamentarian. Their determination is not a “ruling,” it is guidance.
- Fire the parliamentarian (GOP did this in ‘01)
- Edit the legislative language & review different paths (this is sometimes doable, sometimes not)

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40k?
fuck you and your 40k

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I won’t ever take any proposal seriously unless it’s DACA only.

Even Breitbart writers like us.

https://twitter.com/brandondarby/sta...262326785?s=21

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good shit.

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Schumer never fails to disappoint. Dude should give her 2 proposals:
Proposal 1 being the same as the last one
Proposal 2 being a McDonald's job application

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The fact that you have prominent Democrats defending the parliamentary says everything we need to know. They wanted her to make that decision to keep the whole immigration issue of their back.

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Fuck Democrats and their bills.

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Still amazes me how the dems want to believe that the faith of their proposals are up to1 staffer.

I can just imagine how ridiculous their statement is going to be when the Parliamentarian shutdown all their proposals "Sadly the Parliamentarian does not agree with our proposals, we'll continue to work on solving this issue for these wonderful people who were brought here as children without fault of their own, they contribute to our society, they pay their taxes, they are our beloved neighbors, first responders blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. It f-ing socks to be in this situation!

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Yea man... Part of me thinks we had the vote count (or close to it) so they had to introduce blockers like this staffer. What's next? Schumer's dog not agreeing with the next immigration bill? Lol

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If this fails because Dems failed to garner support from Manchin and Sinema, so be it. But, don’t fucking insult our intelligence by making the parliamentarian seem like a huge roadblock when she really isn’t. Don’t insult our intelligence with these bullshit theatrics. That’s what the problem is to some of us barking at Dem leadership in the Senate. We aren’t fucking children and idiot Trump supporters.

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spot on! pretty sad to see.

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Right. If it fails the vote then so be it. But if it doesn’t even come up because some fking nobody suggested you can’t do it, then screw democrats. Just bunch of loud mouths

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If we all had the balls of 1960's Vietnam war protestors and organized and rallied and applied pressure rather than us being keyboard warriors here, this would be be ancient history and we would be on the road to legalization now. Instead we have Harris and Biden having lunch with UWD and Durbin giving more speeches and tweeting.

Optics and public perception go such a long way in causing change. A nation-wide, positive Dreamer PR crusade would change things and drastically increase our chances here. We are pathetic.

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Stick to DACA.

No Dreamers, Aged out DACA. None of that.

Just active DACA recipients. But that's too easy. Hence, Democrats probably won't do it.

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No aged out DACA sounds cruel but the less people it benefits the better odds. I would still include aged out DACA. Infact I wouldn’t include anyone who hasn’t been here for at least 5 years and was brought before the age of 16.