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glacier1985 07-09-2024 04:37 PM

Daca recipient married to a H1b holder
 
Hi everyone,

I need some advice regarding my immigration situation. I'm currently a DACA recipient with significant unlawful presence in the U.S., and we are concerned about my ability to adjust status. Recently, we discovered that my father had filed an I-140 petition in 1999 so I might be grand fathered in for 245(i) protection.

my wife is currently in the process of obtaining her PERM certification and plan to file I-140 petition soon. We are exploring the possibility that I might be eligible for adjustment of status under Section 245(i) of the Immigration and Nationality Act based on my father's old petition.

Could anyone provide insights on:

Eligibility criteria for adjustment of status under Section 245(i) in this context.
Required documentation to support this claim.
How to incorporate this information into our current strategy, including the H1B and I-485 applications.
Thanks in advance for your help!

Demise 07-10-2024 06:41 AM

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Since the petition was filed in 1999 you'll need to find it (i.e. have your father do a FOIA). The petition must've been approvable when filed, meaning that either it was approved, or it was legit and would've been approved if not for something like the employer pulling it or going under. PERM Labor certifications also confer 245(i) coverage, so if I-140 was denied, if there was a PERM you could instead use that for basis of eligibility.

Then you will need to prove that your father was in US on December 21, 2000. If he as adjusted status sometime down the line using it, getting his I-485 might be the best option to re-use the proof he used way back when. There is an obvious issue of getting documents from 24 years ago but for the most part whatever you can get your hands on - I-94, tax records, bills, driver's license.

So the documentation would be:
I-140 approval notice or perm labor certification approval or I-140 denial and whatever you can use to argue that the petition was approvable when filed
Proof that your father was in US on December 21, 2000.
Your birth certificate (proving that your father is your father and that you were under 21 at the time to qualify as a derivative).

How to incorporate it all? When it's time for your spouse to file I-485, you'll file one too, attach I-485 Supplement A, pay the $1000 fine, include above listed documents, and hopefully you'll get your AOS approved.

Some other insight:
245(i) eligibility:
Immigrant petition (I-130, I-140, I-360, I-526) or PERM labor certification filed on or before April 30, 2001.
Above petition must've been "approvable when filed".
If filed on or after January 15, 1998 then the primary beneficiary must've been in US on December 21, 2000.

Grandfathered derivatives (you are here):
Relationship must've existed by the sunset date. So married/born/adopted by April 30, 2001.
Do not have to prove their own presence in US, only presence of the primary beneficiary if applicable.
Grandfathered derivatives are eligible to adjust via any immigrant petition or DV lottery.

Non-grandfathered derivatives:
Relationship to the primary started after the sunset date.
Do not have to prove their own presence in US, only presence of the primary beneficiary if applicable.
Are only eligible to adjust as a derivative on an application filed for the primary. Might or not be the same one that got the 245(i) coverage.

Note, for 245(i) there's no such thing as a derivative to a derivative, so you can't for example marry a grandfathered derivative and adjust via 245(i).

One thing of note, I'd recommend looking for the PERM even if the I-140 was approved. Why? If the PERM was filed on or before January 14, 1998 then there's no physical presence requirements and you could skip over having to dig up ancient documents.

glacier1985 07-10-2024 10:39 PM

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Hi Demise,

Thank you for your input. We've spoken with several lawyers, but most are either not familiar with 245i or are unsure how to file an I-485 along with 245i. Are you a lawyer, and if so, are you accepting new clients? If not, do you know of any good lawyers who can handle cases like this?

One last question: Since my father's I-140 needs to be approvable when filed, it's quite challenging to gather all the necessary approvable evidence at this point. I'm concerned that if my I-485 gets rejected, it might impact my spouse's application. Can you provide any insight on this?

Thank you.

Demise 07-11-2024 02:01 AM

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Originally Posted by glacier1985 (Post 771939)
Hi Demise,

Thank you for your input. We've spoken with several lawyers, but most are either not familiar with 245i or are unsure how to file an I-485 along with 245i. Are you a lawyer, and if so, are you accepting new clients? If not, do you know of any good lawyers who can handle cases like this?

One last question: Since my father's I-140 needs to be approvable when filed, it's quite challenging to gather all the necessary approvable evidence at this point. I'm concerned that if my I-485 gets rejected, it might impact my spouse's application. Can you provide any insight on this?

Thank you.

Well first and foremost, was the I-140 approved? Being approved would be enough to tick the approvable when filed. Otherwise, do the FOIA for the I-140, get a copy of the underlying labor certification from the FOIA that was filed with the I-140, and use the labor certification to satisfy that requirement.

Further finnagling is only needed if whatever you're trying to use to claim 245(i) eligibility was ultimately denied. E.g. Uncle filed an I-130 for your dad. Obviously the two are brothers. INS issued an RFE that got lost in the mail and the petition got denied. Now, the petition was approvable when filed because the family relationship existed when the petition was sent out.

Regarding your wife - since she's the primary your denial generally won't prevent her from adjusting her status. Only case where this would matter is if you're seeking cross-chargeability, e.g. you're lets say Guatemalan, wife's lets say Indian. Wife can use your country of birth for the immigrant visa quota however in this case you both have to be approved since she's the primary for the petition but you're the primary for getting these charged to Guatemala.

Am I a lawyer? Nope. I can give you like 2-3 lawyers who do know how to do 245(i) if you want. They're in NYC though.

Demise 07-11-2024 02:07 AM

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Doublepost. Site is having a stroke.

glacier1985 07-11-2024 11:14 PM

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Hey, thanks again for the quick response.

We received the FOIA response, but the 140 was denied because the lawyer didn't respond within the allowable 12-week window. The request was to show "evidence that the alien has commanded a high salary or other significantly high remuneration for services, in relation to others in the field." As a result, the I-140 wasn't approved, and my dad didn't file the labor certificate.

If you don't mind, could you please provide the contact information for the lawyers? I live in Jersey and work in NYC, so having a local lawyer would be perfect. Once again, I appreciate your time.

Demise 07-12-2024 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by glacier1985 (Post 771942)
Hey, thanks again for the quick response.

We received the FOIA response, but the 140 was denied because the lawyer didn't respond within the allowable 12-week window. The request was to show "evidence that the alien has commanded a high salary or other significantly high remuneration for services, in relation to others in the field." As a result, the I-140 wasn't approved, and my dad didn't file the labor certificate.

If you don't mind, could you please provide the contact information for the lawyers? I live in Jersey and work in NYC, so having a local lawyer would be perfect. Once again, I appreciate your time.

What category was this? Unless it was EB-1 or EB-2 NIV then there should've been a labor certification filed with it.

Well, one way about this would be to overcome the RFE, so you would need documents to prove that your father was paid well back when the I-140 was filed.

glacier1985 07-14-2024 01:25 PM

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His category was EB-1 "Alien with extraordinary ability." I tried to request the labor certificate from the Department of Labor, but they said that they don't keep records that far back. We could certainly dig up the old records to show that he was paid well back then; I'm afraid it would be a long stretch. What type of finagling can we do at this point? If worst comes to worst, I would just wait for my wife to get her green card and then sponsor me, This would be a 6 years process since I was born in China, and it seems there is a long waiting queue for China. Going down this path I believe I would have to file a 601A waiver since I entered legally but overstayed. Have a lot of people gone through this route and successfully obtained the waiver?

Demise 07-14-2024 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by glacier1985 (Post 771950)
His category was EB-1 "Alien with extraordinary ability." I tried to request the labor certificate from the Department of Labor, but they said that they don't keep records that far back. We could certainly dig up the old records to show that he was paid well back then; I'm afraid it would be a long stretch. What type of finagling can we do at this point? If worst comes to worst, I would just wait for my wife to get her green card and then sponsor me, This would be a 6 years process since I was born in China, and it seems there is a long waiting queue for China. Going down this path I believe I would have to file a 601A waiver since I entered legally but overstayed. Have a lot of people gone through this route and successfully obtained the waiver?

If it's an EB-1 then there's no labor certification.

Do this instead.

Have your wife adjust on her own. Then once her I-485 is approved she will file I-824 on the I-140 to classify you as a follow to join (option 1.c.), do denote that your immigrant visa will be charged to her country of birth which will let you skip over the backlogs for China-born.
Then once USCIS processes that and NVC sends you the documents you will pay the DS-260 filing fee and file I-601A.
Once the I-601A is approved, you will file DS-260, get your interview date, depart, and return as an LPR.

I-601A isn't too difficult just for an overstay. The statute does say "extreme hardship" but in all reality it's something that can be argued in most cases and is more just weighting the good vs the bad.

I would recommend getting a lawyer since I don't recommend DIYing waivers, especially that a lawyer will know what to focus on.

glacier1985 07-16-2024 07:37 AM

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We both came from China, so I don't think there is any skip over.
You don't think our 245i is strong enough to go down this route ?
Does the 601A waiver work for green card based petition ? Or she has to be a citizen ? I found below from the USCIS
"Since March 4, 2013, certain immigrant visa applicants who are immediate relatives (spouses, children, and parents) of U.S. citizens can apply for provisional unlawful presence waivers before they leave the United States for their consular interview. "On Aug. 29, 2016, the provisional unlawful presence waiver process was expanded to all individuals statutorily eligible for an immigrant visa and a waiver of inadmissibility for unlawful presence in the United States."
Thank you for all the suggestions. I will try to keep everyone posted what our next steps are.

taoni10 07-16-2024 09:21 AM

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if you overstayed you visa, I think the path of least resistant will be wait until your wife got the citizenship, and then file for AOS for you, probably will take about 6 - 7 years. Current I-130 for green card holder to peitition spouse is about 5 years, and I heard the I-601A is taking about 4 years. Unless your are entered in with a visa category that does not allowed you to adjust with a USC spouse, I will just wait until your wife get citizenship, and then file i485.

glacier1985 07-16-2024 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by taoni10 (Post 771956)
if you overstayed you visa, I think the path of least resistant will be wait until your wife got the citizenship, and then file for AOS for you, probably will take about 6 - 7 years. Current I-130 for green card holder to peitition spouse is about 5 years, and I heard the I-601A is taking about 4 years. Unless your are entered in with a visa category that does not allowed you to adjust with a USC spouse, I will just wait until your wife get citizenship, and then file i485.

thank you for your input, I just checked here:
https://egov.uscis.gov/processing-times/

it takes about 42 months. It's much longer than I expected. what do you guys think about the recent
DACA->H1b route, it takes about 3-4 years to get green card, is this something worth trying, if the perm or i485 don't get approved, do you lose your DACA status ?

taoni10 07-16-2024 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by glacier1985 (Post 771957)
thank you for your input, I just checked here:
https://egov.uscis.gov/processing-times/

it takes about 42 months. It's much longer than I expected. what do you guys think about the recent
DACA->H1b route, it takes about 3-4 years to get green card, is this something worth trying, if the perm or i485 don't get approved, do you lose your DACA status ?

well, I don't think there is a path right now for DACA -> H1B officially. We will need to wait until the detail language show up to know more about it.

Demise 07-16-2024 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by glacier1985 (Post 771955)
We both came from China, so I don't think there is any skip over.
You don't think our 245i is strong enough to go down this route ?
Does the 601A waiver work for green card based petition ? Or she has to be a citizen ? I found below from the USCIS
"Since March 4, 2013, certain immigrant visa applicants who are immediate relatives (spouses, children, and parents) of U.S. citizens can apply for provisional unlawful presence waivers before they leave the United States for their consular interview. "On Aug. 29, 2016, the provisional unlawful presence waiver process was expanded to all individuals statutorily eligible for an immigrant visa and a waiver of inadmissibility for unlawful presence in the United States."
Thank you for all the suggestions. I will try to keep everyone posted what our next steps are.

I mean you can try but considering that we've had people here who had issues proving their parent's physical presence in US when they submitted literally the same documentation the parent did taken from a FOIA. I'm just not sure how well trying to re-argue a 25 year old I-140 denial will go, especially that you know, good luck getting documents that old. Like listen, if you want to try, go ask some lawyers if they can land this plane, personally I'm skeptical.

Regarding the I-601A:
It can be used for any immigrant petition.
You need a qualifying relative: USC/LPR, Spouse/Parent. You can have multiple. Qualifying relative can but does not have to be the sponsor.
Since you're both Chinese (unless wife was born in Hong Kong, or Macau, or you're sleeping on the couch tonight for implying that Taiwan is a part of China) then yeah you likely won't get to skip the line.

So yes, it is something that can be done, spouse gets petitioned in a category that allows derivatives and adjusts, you can now do I-824 to forward the remainder of the petition to a NVC and use the now LPR wife as a qualifying relative.

Alternatively, if it all takes too long, you can always just wait until she naturalizes and petitions for you as an immediate relative of a US citizen, then if you're an overstayer you can just adjust in US. You can always start one and if that's getting close then oh well abandon this.

glacier1985 07-17-2024 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Demise (Post 771959)
I mean you can try but considering that we've had people here who had issues proving their parent's physical presence in US when they submitted literally the same documentation the parent did taken from a FOIA. I'm just not sure how well trying to re-argue a 25 year old I-140 denial will go, especially that you know, good luck getting documents that old. Like listen, if you want to try, go ask some lawyers if they can land this plane, personally I'm skeptical.

Regarding the I-601A:
It can be used for any immigrant petition.
You need a qualifying relative: USC/LPR, Spouse/Parent. You can have multiple. Qualifying relative can but does not have to be the sponsor.
Since you're both Chinese (unless wife was born in Hong Kong, or Macau, or you're sleeping on the couch tonight for implying that Taiwan is a part of China) then yeah you likely won't get to skip the line.

So yes, it is something that can be done, spouse gets petitioned in a category that allows derivatives and adjusts, you can now do I-824 to forward the remainder of the petition to a NVC and use the now LPR wife as a qualifying relative.

Alternatively, if it all takes too long, you can always just wait until she naturalizes and petitions for you as an immediate relative of a US citizen, then if you're an overstayer you can just adjust in US. You can always start one and if that's getting close then oh well abandon this.

Haha, well said. Thanks again for your input. My real concern, though, is getting my parents some legal status so they can receive medical care and insurance. They're getting older, and right now they're undocumented, which is a real worry for me. Do you guys have any pointers in this regard ?

Demise 07-17-2024 03:11 AM

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Originally Posted by glacier1985 (Post 771961)
Haha, well said. Thanks again for your input. My real concern, though, is getting my parents some legal status so they can receive medical care and insurance. They're getting older, and right now they're undocumented, which is a real worry for me. Do you guys have any pointers in this regard ?

Naturalize and petition for them, that's about it. Once they're legal they can amend their taxes up to 10 years back which will be enough to qualify them for medicare and social security.

glacier1985 07-17-2024 07:32 AM

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Sounds good.
Any possibility for EB-5 with 601A for me ?

Demise 07-17-2024 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by glacier1985 (Post 771963)
Sounds good.
Any possibility for EB-5 with 601A for me ?

I mean, sure if you've got the 800k they want, but why bother if you can just be a derivative on your wife's EB-2/3?

glacier1985 07-17-2024 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Demise (Post 771964)
I mean, sure if you've got the 800k they want, but why bother if you can just be a derivative on your wife's EB-2/3?

I heard that EB-5 takes about 1-2 years ? Also this might be the only way for my parents to get adjusted.

Demise 07-18-2024 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by glacier1985 (Post 771965)
I heard that EB-5 takes about 1-2 years ? Also this might be the only way for my parents to get adjusted.

I-526 takes about that long and you'd still need an I-601A. All in all, for you just following to join would be easier, cheaper, and probably faster.

For your parents, same issues as for you apply, so if one of them were to do an EB-5 they'd still need an I-601A, now, they're presumably married to one another, so unless there's a grampa or grandma up there that is a USC/LPR that's dead in the water. Unless they want to try the 245(i) angle.

glacier1985 07-19-2024 12:37 PM

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I see. I forgot 601A can only be approved if there are immediate relative is green card holder or citizen ?

Demise 07-20-2024 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by glacier1985 (Post 771968)
I see. I forgot 601A can only be approved if there are immediate relative is green card holder or citizen ?

Parent or spouse.

glacier1985 07-20-2024 02:56 PM

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Great, thank you again for all your inputs Demise and taoni10. I will update this post once we decided what to do.

glacier1985 07-27-2024 11:37 PM

Re: Daca recipient married to a H1b holder
 
small update:
I talked to a few lawyers over the past few days below are the key takeaways.
1/ 245i in general are very objective, if you don't get denied on the filing for unprovable case decades ago, you might have a fighting case. But apparently this is a case by case scenario.
2/ for DACA lawyers have seen AP could potentially fix the unlawful presence issue, by leaving the country and return, your previous unlawful presence gets a reset, therefore I could file along side my spouse's i485.
3/ 601A over all isn't recommended because it's not easy to get approved and the queue is super long. This is a bit of a surprise to me, because I thought the hardship criteria is easy in our cases because due to separation of family, mortgages, bills etc.

Demise 07-29-2024 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by glacier1985 (Post 772045)
small update:
I talked to a few lawyers over the past few days below are the key takeaways.
1/ 245i in general are very objective, if you don't get denied on the filing for unprovable case decades ago, you might have a fighting case. But apparently this is a case by case scenario.
2/ for DACA lawyers have seen AP could potentially fix the unlawful presence issue, by leaving the country and return, your previous unlawful presence gets a reset, therefore I could file along side my spouse's i485.
3/ 601A over all isn't recommended because it's not easy to get approved and the queue is super long. This is a bit of a surprise to me, because I thought the hardship criteria is easy in our cases because due to separation of family, mortgages, bills etc.

Get a different lawyer to whoever told you the nonsense in 2 and 3.
AP doesn't reset prior unlawful presence. All it does is clear an EWI if you had one. The prior unlawful presence still hangs over you. It also doesn't work for 245(k) (which for employment based AOS excuses violation of status under 180 days since last admission and wipes away any incurred prior to the last admission) because parole is not admission in the understanding of 245(k).
I-601A isn't super easy but it's also not super difficult and a good lawyer should know how to dress up the case to it'd pass muster.

245(i) on a denied petition is definitely very much a case by case basis since you have to prove that the petition would be approved if whoever didn't drop the ball or circumstances didn't change after filing with something that old, yes it will be hard especially with a labor petition because that's a multi-factor analysis. Any citizen uncles or aunts or grandparents who might've filed an I-130 way back when? Those are much easier to prove even if died because either the relationship exists or it doesn't.


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