Whatever Happens On Tuesday...Let's be Respectful of Sen. McCain
 

More than likely McCain is going to have a rough day tomorrow. While his retreat on DREAM makes me root for an Obama win. I can't help but feel bad for Senator McCain. He's a good man who honestly believes in us and DREAM but that can't override the fact that he sold us out.

For "practical reasons" McCain retreated on DREAM and for "practical reasons" I will be making sure all my relatives and friends vote for Obama. But that doesn't mean McCain stopped believing in DREAM nor does it mean I stopped believing in McCain. Underneath all the political garbage there's still the man who once told Cornyn and Sessions to Fuck off. Here's to hoping for an Obama win and no matter what happens tomorrow, the old John McCain making a comeback.

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You're right,partisanship gets us nowhere.I believe that having McCain back in the Senate is also better for us since he will be the presumed leader of the Republican party at least for the next 2 years should this election go as predicted.

He has definitely been respectful throughout most of he campaign & I can definitely respect that.The reality however is that he doesn't appear to have any true McCain policies & the MAC has faded over this election period.

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I concur.






God bless that raging...

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I totally agree! I want Obama to win! But we should respect McCain, he did support the CIR even though a lot of his constituents disagreed with him and he got a lot of heat for his support. I remember when he first announced that he was going to run for Pres. All those Minute Men people were protesting against him, and I thought wow he's not going to make it just for supporting something that he thought was just and humane. I kind of don’t blame him for not backing us up, he's a politician and a Republican supporting CIR and he wanted to be President so he had to distance him self from "things" that made conservative republicans/alicrappers weary about him. I’m sure that if he was President and Dream came up he would support it, no doubt. Just that in order for him to reach his goal he had to distance him self from us, I mean what politician hasn't changed his opinions while running for office. I do think that we should have some respect for him he was a POW, and I don’t think he’s a bad person, even those attack ad’s against Obama make his seem like a jerk.

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^LOL at Citi's signature banner on this thread...

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hopefully we can convince McCain to support the Dream Act again next year.

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maybe. if he doesn't die by then.

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i believe mccain is a great man, look all the kids he adopted and his record in vietnam, the thing about politic is tat sometime in order to win he gotta please the plp whos gonna support him.we take it justas a regular debate i guess,no matter who win we respect both leaders.

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i hate it when people say stupid shit like this. HE GOT SHOT DOWN. and then he got his ass captured. that's doesn't exactly make him the best soldier in the fucking world, now does it?

and then when he came home, he basically abandoned with first wife for that creepy eye'd cindy and all her money. never mind the fact that his first wife held out hope for his return. he left his first wife because she was in a car accident and was disfigured. so when he finally came back, she was a few inches shorter and not as slim. so he divorced her and basically married cindy a short time later. to this day his first wife doesnt every say anything bad about him because he's paying her medical bills.

he's a fucking womanizer and he sold his soul to try to win this election. he underestimated women's intelligence by picking a woman as his vp, regardless of the fact that she's dumber than dog poo. the only thing she's got going for her is that she doesn't pronounce her g's and she's got a pretty face. and the worst part is that people fall for that shit.





*sigh* but when you think about it, half of america's population is statistically below average. and that's the half that's voting mcsame/failin.

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hahaha I fucking love you!.. I feel the same exact way you do.. how is he a great soilder if he is was a POW??.. that dont make much sense.. hahaha .. I do respect the guy tho = /

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are you guys serious? Best solider doesn't mean you are not captured or that you are not shot... There are so many things in the war that is not in your control. One wrong step can blow you up, one unlucky artillery might just hit your position... I mean you realize how much luck plays into surviving in a war?

The fact that he was captures doesn't make him a bad pilot or a bad soldier. They are not relevant at all. Things happen in a war and you can't always control the circumstances as a soldier, what if it was just a high risk mission? Plus the fact that he refused early release is honorable too.

Look I know he "sold his soul" in a way and he isn't the same McCain we use to like but give credit to where its due. It may be overplayed but he is a war hero nonetheless.

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We should indeed be respectful of him. I vehemently disagree with his policies and his turncoat attitude on immigration reform. I do, however, think treating the loser of a contest, especially a contest of this magnitude and publicity, gracefully and without malice is the best path to follow.

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YGAA, I 100000% agree with you. Please no "YEAH MCSAME AND FAILIN LOST. LMAO."

The name is McCain and Palin. You do NOT score any cool points by calling them school-yard type names and you do not look anymore intelligent than the ALICRAPPERS by resorting to these little comments.

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Geronimo, I love you.



Must resist..........OH SCREW IT.

DreamerHippie, please disregard the PM. It's the same thing as this post (YGAA, I'M SO SORRY....but I can't resist :))

ORLY? That's ALL? Wow, that's completely different from THIS:

[Quote is from Wiki but the information can be found in various books on McCain and part of it can be found in the link below]

http://www.azcentral.com/news/electi...-chapter3.html

Yeah.
He definitely has no integrity. Definitely. :roll: He's a war hero because he turned down the offer to come back home because he didn't want to leave his fellow POWs while he danced off to freedom. Would anyone here do that? I know I wouldn't. The SECOND someone said "Hey, I can get you out of this hellhole...wanna come?" I would say "HELL YEAH." A lot of people will say "Yeah, well, it's military code." A lot of people wouldn't have been strong enough to resist the temptation to be free, military code or not.

http://www.azcentral.com/news/electi...-chapter5.html

Another show of no integrity. Admitting one's faults? ZOMG.

His personal business is no one's freakin' business. And his wife's looks is no one's freakin' business. (For the record, everytime I see Michelle Obama a part of me dies inside. She's hideous and Barack is the hotness. Isn't beauty in the eye of the beholder?) Time and time again during this election people were like "ZOMG YOU CAN'T TALK ABOUT BARACK OBAMA'S WIFE/KIDS/GRANDMA/RELIGIOUS BACKGROUND/STARVING BROTHER IN KENYA/ RELATIONSHIP WITH BILL AYERS/RELATIONSHIP WITH JEREMIAH WRIGHT/ANYTHING UNDER THE SUN BECAUSE THAT'S PERSONAAAAAAALLLLLL and you're IGNORANT if you do."

Who the hell cares what McCain did in his past? If it's not related to legislation (a lot of people tie it into McCain's opposition of gay marriage...I completely concur with them. But it still shouldn't be used as a vicious personal attack. I've cheated on a past boyfriend before. Does that make me a terrible person and unfit to govern?) and if it's not related to what he did for his nation as an elected official and as a soldier, then everyone should STFU and mind their own damn business.

I'm HOPEFULDREAMER and I approve this motherfreakin' message.

[PS: I do not mean this to offend at all, just saying my piece. And BTW, I begrudgingly convinced my BF to vote Obama as opposed to his original vote of Nader. So I'm not a blind McCain supporter. However, disrespecting a candidate's personal and military history is wrong.]

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I agree with YGAA... we need to respectful no matter what happens. What if McCain does win? Do we want to bash him or try to pursuade him to go back and support us again? I want Obama to win just as much as the supporters on here, but we don't know what is going to happen until the polls end.

Dreamerhippie... what you said was uncalled for. This thread is about respecting McCain, not bashing him and criticizing his pick in women or his POW days. If he loses, we want him to still be on our side. We don't want him and his supporters or anyone for that matter, to see us screaming, swearing (which btw, you do a lot of) and complaining. You say you're smart, act like it.

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I agree. McCain's done a lot for us so we should still respect him no matter what. I always did and I always will.

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I concur with not involving McCain's personal matters to undermine his integrity - at the same time, what has McCain and his staff done the entire time at the campaign trail? Picking on some pastor/loose connections from the past on Obama's PERSONAL relationships. So the way I see it, McCain/his staff deserve every ounce of shit that gets thrown at them, ultimately followed by their loss in the elections.

The issue is though, I don't think we should be the ones doing it. Leave it to the general public or the left-wing CNN anchors.

At the same time, I find it hard to show him any respect at all on political level. I don't have to go into detail about this.


Oh yeah, I find it hilarious when everytime ygaa says something that's either naive or self-contradicting, Hopeful comes to rescue with this: "YGAA, I 100000% agree with you." :D lol

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Oh K-Man, don't you start. ;)

And I don't find being respectful to a presidential candidate "naive or self-contradicting". But then again, I'm a good little Southern girl with some manners.

[^ That sounds better when you say it with a Southern twang, btw]

:mrgreen:

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I agree with being respectful to McCain, but at the same time a few 'woo-hoo McCain lost' comments on this website aren't going to matter or have any huge effect on DREAM's chances.

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hahaha easy there Dolly :P. I meant that the overall message of being respectful is all good, buttttt;


Self-contradicting:

This <He's a good man who honestly believes in us and DREAM>, contradicts this <but that can't override the fact that he sold us out.> If he really believed in us, he wouldn't have sold us out.

Again, contradictory to the first sentence: <But that doesn't mean McCain stopped believing in DREAM nor does it mean I stopped believing in McCain.>

<Underneath all the political garbage there's still the man who once told Cornyn and Sessions to Fuck off. Here's to hoping for an Obama win and no matter what happens tomorrow, the old John McCain making a comeback.> Believing in us? or just a hot head? Hint: watch the debates


I had to point it out 'cause sometimes I get headaches from reading stuff like this, it's like a flipflop universe. :D

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Hmmm I didn't see all this "McCain is an evil womanizing old fart" sentiment when he supported CIR in 2006 or Amnesty in 2003 or when he voted yes on allowing Illegal immigrants to participate in social security. Yes he might have a shady past but who are we to judge. I mean if you’re going to bring up his shady past then you also have to look at the good things he has done, Or at least how he tried to make up for being a crappy husband.

Yes, its pretty f'd up that he left his wife Carol after he got back from Vietnam and she was disfigured. But he accepted responsibility for his actions in the break up of their marriage.
He still continued to be friend with her so I'm guessing that they mutually accepted that their marriage wasn't working. Not only that he offered to pay he medical bills after their divorce was finalized, and also continued to be a father figure for Carol's 2 son's who were not biologically his. That’s saying a lot for some people, b/c there are dead beat dads who abandon their biological kids. I'm not saying that this makes up for what he did but it seems like he did wrong and at least tried to make it a little better. I still think that we should respect Senator McCain, and I don’t think that he is a bad man and I do have respect for him. This does not mean that I support "Mcsame/Failin" I just think that at least some degree respect should be given to McCain. Now Pailin..... that’s another think I don’t give two craps about her.

Just wondering.... based on what you said about McCain you're probably be one of those people who think Ted Kennedy Evil too?

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What McCain did/does in his personal life should not be relevant because it has nothing to do with politics. Bill Clinton wasn't the greatest example of moral values, but he was the greatest President this country ever had, and there is no one I respect more.

I am not defending John McCain (I am as liberal as they come), but if you want to dislike him and think of him as an unfit choice for President, do so because of his stand on the issues, not because he is a "womanizer."

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I'm going to hold Sen. McCain to his word when he says he supports the Dream Act. I hope I'm not disappointed, and he votes for Dream Act when it comes up for a vote.

McCain Dream Act

I believe him to be an honorable man, and even though he bolted last time, I think it was because of the Republican primary and not because he had a change of heart.

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^I agree. I think after the election he'll return to his 'former' self, but who knows how long it would take him to introduce DREAM if he were the winner, which is doubtful...

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Did Obama win the majority of the Hispanic vote?

The downside from this, is that McCain could be pissed from losing the latino vote.

Not sure how he would vote from comprehensive or dream next time around.

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I think Mccain will vote for dream now. I hope the Republicans get a lesson from this election. YOU DO NOT WIN THE WHITE HOUSE BY RUNNING ANTI IMMIGRATION. The main focus on most american votes is Economy, Energy, and Employment.

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well the good thing is Obama won the election, lets all make DREAM come true!!!!!:p

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we wouldn't be pissed if he had actually voted for the CIR bill that had his name on it. we wouldn't be pissed if he had actually bothered to vote for the DREAM last year. where was he when us latinos need him? and now i bet he's asking himself the inverse of that question.

sorry, but i lost respect for him. i truly did. i try to see the best in people, but he sold out the crazies on the right to win the white house. sure, i'm no one to judge ... but i sure as hell can criticize. and criticize i have .... maybe you guys don't agree with me. that's ok with me.

i was gonna throw this out into the universe, but some of you would have gotten ur panties all up in a twist. basically, what kind of soldier let's himself be used as propaganda?

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Well, lets hope McCain comes back to supporting CIR and DREAM now that he lost his race for the whitehouse. But we will see....

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I would never sign up for the army unless I had to. I am avoiding the Korean army draft with all of my heart, I do not even want to waste a month of my life in the Korean army. Honestly wouldn't do it for the U.S. army either unless there is a personal gain involved in it.

But there are soldiers who are really in it for the country. So let's have a little respect dreamerhippie... it is HARD being a soldier. I have two moms in my class who use to be in the army and they are tough as hell, super mom/ nurses. Honestly, put me or any other average joe in McCain's shoes and we would have taken the bait and leave. Torture? HELL NO, I am getting the hell outta here because my daddy is a navy captain.

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This was just not a race McCain could win. I think if he would have ran more as an independent it would have been closer.

I really hope the old McCain shows back up. I hope Obama reaches out to him in the senate in some way.

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K-man, i mean hopeful can we get another thread lock?

In fact can we make a rule that all threads over say 3 pages automatically get locked? :neutral:

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^I saw a glimpse of the old McCain in his concession speech already

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The idea of the thread was to be hopeful that McCain comes back to his former self by the time he is back in the Senate and to give him due respect as a presidential candidate, no matter where he stands or says he stands. It is very little to ask in my opinion. What has been said here is truly disrespectful of a man who served this country for so long.

Even after the election is over, people still insist on being personal about the bullshit that has been fed to them from both sides. He ran, he made mistakes, he lost. Its over, get the election out of your system.

I hate to take the last word, but I feel righteous doing so here.

Locked.