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Demise 02-14-2019 05:56 PM

Re: BREAKING: Trump Will Declare National Emergency
 
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Originally Posted by always_learner11 (Post 733143)
Exactly, which is why Democrats chose wisely and avoided the topic altogether. Now McConnell just wants Trump to sign the omnibus bill so Congress can be done with this whole mess. Trump, though, is going to be taking a lot of heat from both sides of the aisle.

By signing the omnibus bill, he is undermining his own ability to build the wall through executive action.

Conservative analysis of the bill:

[Redacted for brevity]

https://www.conservativereview.com/n...-omnibus-bill/

Lol they're mad.

dreamer__13 02-14-2019 05:59 PM

Re: BREAKING: Trump Will Declare National Emergency
 
I’m entertained. Idgaf anymore. I’ll be happy so long as he doesn’t get his wall at this point.

legendver2 02-14-2019 06:15 PM

Re: BREAKING: Trump Will Declare National Emergency
 
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Originally Posted by Red neck (Post 733147)
Yea, if our lives were not on the line I would have enjoyed Trumps presidency.
one hell of a shitshow

Not to hijack this, but what's up with the Paxton shit now? Any more news on that front?

cmeow 02-14-2019 06:21 PM

Re: BREAKING: Trump Will Declare National Emergency
 
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Originally Posted by always_learner11 (Post 733143)
Exactly, which is why Democrats chose wisely and avoided the topic altogether. Now McConnell just wants Trump to sign the omnibus bill so Congress can be done with this whole mess. Trump, though, is going to be taking a lot of heat from both sides of the aisle.

By signing the omnibus bill, he is undermining his own ability to build the wall through executive action.

Conservative analysis of the bill:
Here are the immediate issues to flag:

1) Less of a wall than even what Democrats already agreed to: Trump originally demanded $25 billion for the wall. Then he negotiated himself down to $5.6 billion. Democrats balked and only agreed to $1.6 billion. This bill calls it a day at $1.375 billion, enough to construct 55 miles. But it’s worse than that. This bill limits the president’s ability to construct “barriers” to just the Rio Grande Valley sector and only bollard fencing, not concrete walls of any kind. There’s no ability to adapt. Furthermore, section 231 prohibits construction even within the RGV in five locations that are either federal or state lands. Remember, the challenge with building a wall in Texas is that, unlike in other states, the feds need to navigate issues with private lands. The first place you’d construct fencing is on public lands, which are now prohibited. The national parks along the border have gotten so bad that park rangers are scared to travel alone in them.

2) Liberal local officials have veto power over wall: Actually, on second thought, it’s likely that not a single mile of fence will be built. Section 232(a) of this bill states that “prior to use of any funds made available by this Act for the construction of physical barriers” the Department of Homeland Security “shall confer and seek to reach mutual agreement regarding the design and alignment of physical barriers within that city.” With whom must the feds consult? “The local elected officials.” Now you can understand the brilliance of limiting the wall to the Rio Grande Valley. These are the most liberal counties on the border (thanks to demographics of open borders itself!), and there is practically no local official who supports the wall in these counties.

What are the consequences? This bill stipulates that “Such consultations shall continue until September 30, 2019 (or until agreement is reached, if earlier) and may be extended beyond that date by agreement of the parties, and no funds made available in this Act shall be used for such construction while consultations are continuing.” Thus, all the Beto O’Rourke type of politicians in that region have de facto veto power. There’s a reason why they didn’t authorize fencing in conservative counties like Cochise and Yuma in Arizona.

3) This bill contains a blatant amnesty for the worst cartel smugglers: Section 224(a) prohibits the deportation of anyone who is sponsoring an “unaccompanied” minor illegal alien – or who says they might sponsor a UAC, or lives in a household with a UAC, or a household that potentially might sponsor a UAC. It’s truly difficult to understate the betrayal behind this provision. One of the driving factors of the invasion is the misinterpretation of the UAC law. Under current law, Central American teenagers are only treated as refugees if they are A) a victim of “A severe form of trafficking” and B) have no relatives in the country. Yet almost all of them are self-trafficked by these very illegal relatives who are indeed present in the country. Rather than clamping down on this fleecing of the American people, the bill gives amnesty to the very people paying the cartels to invade us!

“We can call this the MS-13 Household Protection Act of 2019,” said Jessica Vaughan of the Center for Immigration Studies. “We know that 80 percent of the UAC sponsors are in the country illegally. The number of people this would protect would reach into the hundreds of thousands, if all of the household or potential household members are counted. ICE has estimated that 30-40 percent of the MS-13 members it has arrested in the last two years arrived as UACs. There is no reason to shield any of these individuals from deportation. After all, if the minor is living with family, they should no longer be considered unaccompanied anyway. If there are illegal aliens here who do not yet have a child here to serve as a deportation shield, this certainly is an incentive for them to make the arrangements to bring one.”

4) More funding to manage and induce the invasion rather than to deter it: While offering no new funding for ICE deportation agents or immigration judges to speed up asylum claims, as the president requested, this bill adds another $40 million for the Alternatives to Detention (ATD) program, which moves asylum seekers to facilities in the interior of the country, where they are usually released. Vaughan, who has studied interior immigration enforcement for decades, warned that “this bill will further expand and institutionalize the catch-and-release policies for those arriving illegally at the border from all over the world.”

What are the effects of the ATD program? “Most of these people have no intention of asking for asylum and know they don’t qualify for it, but are simply joining the illegal population, knowing it’s unlikely that they will be deported. The bill funds ‘case management’ staff to keep tabs on those who don’t abscond immediately, but no money for ICE officers to find and remove them. This is going to saddle the communities that have been forced to absorb these new arrivals with billions of dollars of future costs for schooling, health care, and other welfare services.”

At the same time, this bill reduces border detention beds from 49,060 to 40,520 rather than expanding them as Trump demanded. It contains no funding for more border agents. It offers $3.4 billion for refugee resettlement, more than last year’s record levels. Remember, much of the refugee program has been used not just for bringing in traditional refugees from overseas but to resettle the aforementioned Central American teenagers being self-trafficked through the border, empowering cartels, and taking advantage of us.

5) Doubling low-skilled workers: This bill (p. 1,161) doubles the number of H-2B non-agricultural, unskilled seasonal workers who will continue to be a public charge on America. This gives you a glimpse of what is driving this amnesty bill on the Republican side.

This is just a cursory glance through the bill. Taken together, these provisions will aggravate the criminal conspiracy of the cartels and continue the invasion. Just this week, 1,800 family units came in during one 24-hour period, a new record. The message of this bill is to come here and seek bogus asylum or to grab a kid and you and others will get amnesty. Plus, there are no wall or policy changes to mitigate these effects.

Moreover, this bill will likely override Trump’s executive powers because of the sneaky limitations on wall construction. This is the sort of omnibus bill that ensnared Reagan in Iran-Contra. Signing this bill will undermine his case for an emergency at the border both legally and politically.

If Trump signs this bill instead of vetoing it and firing the people in the White House promoting it, he deserves to lose re-election.
https://www.conservativereview.com/n...-omnibus-bill/

They would rather let all this happen instead of giving a pathway to citizenship for DACA people whom are not criminals, they're young, americanized and educated.

If what they said is true, then they got outplayed big time. Even DACA + 1.375 billion for border wall is better than this.

On top of that he wants to declare a national emergency? Piss off the republicans in the senate? Is he trying to get impeached? The Senate republicans are the only ones that can stop Trump from getting impeached. What the actual fuck.

The senate just voted and it's VETO PROOF majority.

What a fucking shit show.

There's no way dreamers are not getting legalized. If republicans gave all that for just 1.375 billion for a 55 mile fence that probably won't even be built..... dems will convince them to give the dream act for free.

dreamer__13 02-14-2019 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by cmeow (Post 733154)
They would rather let all this happen instead of giving a pathway to citizenship for DACA people whom are not criminals, they're young, americanized and educated.

If what they said is true, then they got outplayed big time. Even DACA + 1.375 billion for border wall is better than this.

The senate just voted and it's VETO PROOF majority.

What a fucking shit show.

There's no way dreamers are not getting legalized. If republicans gave all that for just 1.375 billion for a 55 mile fence that probably won't even be built..... dems will convince them to give the dream act for free.

Republicans aren’t going to endure another shutdown for President Hamberders.

legendver2 02-14-2019 06:32 PM

Re: BREAKING: Trump Will Declare National Emergency
 
Currently at work, so don't have the availability to really read and understand what that long post means. Anyone care to TLDR it? Would really appreciate it!

cmeow 02-14-2019 06:34 PM

Re: BREAKING: Trump Will Declare National Emergency
 
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Originally Posted by dreamer__13 (Post 733155)
Republicans aren’t going to endure another shutdown for President Hamberders.

He's giving republicans in the senate to either

1) Go through another shutdown
2) Support his emergency declaration

Both of which are bad choices. He's shitting on his own people. The senate republicans are the only ones that are the barrier to actual impeachment.

There's no way his advisors (TV and radio included) are looking out for him. It looks like they're all trying to make money on news, gain popularity, or padding their resume. I actually feel bad that there's no one looking out for him.

legendver2 02-14-2019 06:38 PM

Re: BREAKING: Trump Will Declare National Emergency
 
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Originally Posted by cmeow (Post 733157)
He's giving republicans in the senate to either

1) Go through another shutdown
2) Support his emergency declaration

Both of which are bad choices. He's shitting on his own people. The senate republicans are the only ones that are the barrier to actual impeachment.

There's no way his advisors (TV and radio included) are looking out for him. It looks like they're all trying to make money on news, gain popularity, or padding their resume. I actually feel bad that there's no one looking out for him.

I'm reading on some reddit posts that Fox actually said he just won his reelection with this emergency declaration move?

cmeow 02-14-2019 06:40 PM

Re: BREAKING: Trump Will Declare National Emergency
 
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Originally Posted by legendver2 (Post 733156)
Currently at work, so don't have the availability to really read and understand what that long post means. Anyone care to TLDR it? Would really appreciate it!

- Building the wall would require local community leader support - most people at the border don't want to give up private land so it's likely the wall won't be built at all.

- Gives more benefits to asylum seekers

- Less detention beds

- Signing this bill would undermine national emergency declaration

cmeow 02-14-2019 06:41 PM

Re: BREAKING: Trump Will Declare National Emergency
 
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Originally Posted by legendver2 (Post 733158)
I'm reading on some reddit posts that Fox actually said he just won his reelection with this emergency declaration move?


"There's no way his advisors (TV and radio included) are looking out for him. It looks like they're all trying to make money on news, gain popularity, or padding their resume. I actually feel bad that there's no one looking out for him."


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