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TexasDreamy 07-11-2019 11:32 PM

Re: Mass immigration roundups in U.S. to start Sunday - New York Times
 
From two weeks ago, the 10 cities are probably:

Quote:

Originally Posted by CNN.com
Last year, the Executive Office for Immigration Review, which oversees the nation's immigration courts, announced that it had begun tracking family cases filed by the Department of Homeland Security in 10 immigration court locations: Atlanta, Baltimore, Chicago, Denver, Houston, Los Angeles, Miami, New Orleans, New York and San Francisco.

Stay frosty.

Pianoswithoutfaith 07-12-2019 01:47 AM

Re: Mass immigration roundups in U.S. to start Sunday - New York Times
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 2Face (Post 738918)
I don't have any deportation orders and/or any criminal records. But good try loser. Glad to see you're still talking about me when I haven't been here for like a month.

For like a month?

Lmao last time you posted was yesterday. This is no time to clown around

Alfredo93 07-12-2019 03:09 AM

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Economy is gonna suck for the rest of the summer, paisas not spending money or going out because they’re scared.

Spock 07-12-2019 12:56 PM

Re: Mass immigration roundups in U.S. to start Sunday - New York Times
 
Ok sure criminals with removal orders, that's not too bad, assuming they are actually criminals who have committed some serious crimes.

but this all reminds me of that "first they came for X then they came for Y" etc. you know that saying.

boiling a frog essentially, and it does work.

IamAman 07-12-2019 05:12 PM

Re: Mass immigration roundups in U.S. to start Sunday - New York Times
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Spock (Post 738931)
Ok sure criminals with removal orders, that's not too bad, assuming they are actually criminals who have committed some serious crimes.

but this all reminds me of that "first they came for X then they came for Y" etc. you know that saying.

boiling a frog essentially, and it does work.

I think even the most hardcore of pro immigration people would agree that going after actual criminals is a good idea and let's face it, those criminals often target other immigrants. That's not what this is though.

They are going after those with removal orders and while on the surface it might seem like "well, good, they deserve it", it's not the whole story. If someone had a removal order 6 months ago and they haven't really got established here then sure. We could argue that they might have not gotten a fair shake in the court, they had a shitty or no lawyer, etc. but at the end of the day, we could also argue that they've only been here one or two years and they can move on with their life.

The problem however is that there are people who have removal orders going back decades, especially Dreamers who have them, including some people on here, ahem. For someone who has been here 30 years, this would absolutely destroy their life. They will be left with nothing.

Add to that the fact that ICE is not very accurate. This isn't a precision strike. They'll go in an apartment complex, block off all the exits and start knocking on doors and whoever is unlucky enough to be walking around will get caught in the net - whether someone has a removal order, was EWI, overstay, left their green card at home, or even a citizen who is brown and can't prove on the spot they are a citizen.

I say all this because it's horrifying to see fellow dreamers who have a little bit of protection with DACA dismissing this as "Oh, this is just those other illegals. Fucking losers". but you're right, it's definitely a case of "First they came for X...."

If you have DACA protection and no removal order than god bless you, but have some sympathy for all the lives that are disrupted.

One of my relatives has a Latino family living next door. There is a bunch of them that live in the house and are very proud of that house because they're always doing some sort of project in the back yard and they're kind of annoying because they often have family over with very loud music till late on weekends but they are enjoying their lives and are happy.

When this ICE business was supposed ot happen a couple of weeks ago, they seemed to have disappeared for that weekend. I'm betting at least one of them has some immigration issues. They came back again and now it seems like they're gone again. These are human beings who are afraid of being in their own home. Their lives are fully interrupted, who knows what's happening with work or whatever else they have gone on. This is tragic. No human should live in fear like this.

Smooth 07-12-2019 05:34 PM

Re: Mass immigration roundups in U.S. to start Sunday - New York Times
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by IamAman (Post 738938)
I think even the most hardcore of pro immigration people would agree that going after actual criminals is a good idea and let's face it, those criminals often target other immigrants. That's not what this is though.

They are going after those with removal orders and while on the surface it might seem like "well, good, they deserve it", it's not the whole story. If someone had a removal order 6 months ago and they haven't really got established here then sure. We could argue that they might have not gotten a fair shake in the court, they had a shitty or no lawyer, etc. but at the end of the day, we could also argue that they've only been here one or two years and they can move on with their life.


The problem however is that there are people who have removal orders going back decades, especially Dreamers who have them, including some people on here, ahem. For someone who has been here 30 years, this would absolutely destroy their life. They will be left with nothing.

Add to that the fact that ICE is not very accurate. This isn't a precision strike. They'll go in an apartment complex, block off all the exits and start knocking on doors and whoever is unlucky enough to be walking around will get caught in the net - whether someone has a removal order, was EWI, overstay, left their green card at home, or even a citizen who is brown and can't prove on the spot they are a citizen.

I say all this because it's horrifying to see fellow dreamers who have a little bit of protection with DACA dismissing this as "Oh, this is just those other illegals. Fucking losers". but you're right, it's definitely a case of "First they came for X...."

If you have DACA protection and no removal order than god bless you, but have some sympathy for all the lives that are disrupted.

One of my relatives has a Latino family living next door. There is a bunch of them that live in the house and are very proud of that house because they're always doing some sort of project in the back yard and they're kind of annoying because they often have family over with very loud music till late on weekends but they are enjoying their lives and are happy.

When this ICE business was supposed ot happen a couple of weeks ago, they seemed to have disappeared for that weekend. I'm betting at least one of them has some immigration issues. They came back again and now it seems like they're gone again. These are human beings who are afraid of being in their own home. Their lives are fully interrupted, who knows what's happening with work or whatever else they have gone on. This is tragic. No human should live in fear like this.

Totally agree.

PapiChulo 07-12-2019 05:35 PM

Re: Mass immigration roundups in U.S. to start Sunday - New York Times
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by IamAman (Post 738938)
If you have DACA protection and no removal order than god bless you, but have some sympathy for all the lives that are disrupted.

Got_Daca don't give af about them, according to her.. they are "baddies"

but i agree with you on every point, sad thing is... this is what our lives has become. there will be "casualties" along the way to the "promised land" could be me or could be you next week.

godspeed, brother.

Smooth 07-12-2019 05:37 PM

Re: Mass immigration roundups in U.S. to start Sunday - New York Times
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by IamAman (Post 738938)
I think even the most hardcore of pro immigration people would agree that going after actual criminals is a good idea and let's face it, those criminals often target other immigrants. That's not what this is though.

They are going after those with removal orders and while on the surface it might seem like "well, good, they deserve it", it's not the whole story. If someone had a removal order 6 months ago and they haven't really got established here then sure. We could argue that they might have not gotten a fair shake in the court, they had a shitty or no lawyer, etc. but at the end of the day, we could also argue that they've only been here one or two years and they can move on with their life.

The problem however is that there are people who have removal orders going back decades, especially Dreamers who have them, including some people on here, ahem. For someone who has been here 30 years, this would absolutely destroy their life. They will be left with nothing.

Add to that the fact that ICE is not very accurate. This isn't a precision strike. They'll go in an apartment complex, block off all the exits and start knocking on doors and whoever is unlucky enough to be walking around will get caught in the net - whether someone has a removal order, was EWI, overstay, left their green card at home, or even a citizen who is brown and can't prove on the spot they are a citizen.

I say all this because it's horrifying to see fellow dreamers who have a little bit of protection with DACA dismissing this as "Oh, this is just those other illegals. Fucking losers". but you're right, it's definitely a case of "First they came for X...."

If you have DACA protection and no removal order than god bless you, but have some sympathy for all the lives that are disrupted.

One of my relatives has a Latino family living next door. There is a bunch of them that live in the house and are very proud of that house because they're always doing some sort of project in the back yard and they're kind of annoying because they often have family over with very loud music till late on weekends but they are enjoying their lives and are happy.

When this ICE business was supposed ot happen a couple of weeks ago, they seemed to have disappeared for that weekend. I'm betting at least one of them has some immigration issues. They came back again and now it seems like they're gone again. These are human beings who are afraid of being in their own home. Their lives are fully interrupted, who knows what's happening with work or whatever else they have gone on. This is tragic. No human should live in fear like this.

I would also add that some of my family members (mom included) were almost collateral arrests over the last few days. I completely sympathize.

2MoreYears 07-12-2019 08:57 PM

Re: Mass immigration roundups in U.S. to start Sunday - New York Times
 
The problem is general. So you could face some headaches if you're at the wrong place at the wrong time regardless of having a removal order or not.

Pianoswithoutfaith 07-13-2019 12:18 AM

Re: Mass immigration roundups in U.S. to start Sunday - New York Times
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by IamAman (Post 738938)
I think even the most hardcore of pro immigration people would agree that going after actual criminals is a good idea and let's face it, those criminals often target other immigrants. That's not what this is though.

They are going after those with removal orders and while on the surface it might seem like "well, good, they deserve it", it's not the whole story. If someone had a removal order 6 months ago and they haven't really got established here then sure. We could argue that they might have not gotten a fair shake in the court, they had a shitty or no lawyer, etc. but at the end of the day, we could also argue that they've only been here one or two years and they can move on with their life.

The problem however is that there are people who have removal orders going back decades, especially Dreamers who have them, including some people on here, ahem. For someone who has been here 30 years, this would absolutely destroy their life. They will be left with nothing.

Add to that the fact that ICE is not very accurate. This isn't a precision strike. They'll go in an apartment complex, block off all the exits and start knocking on doors and whoever is unlucky enough to be walking around will get caught in the net - whether someone has a removal order, was EWI, overstay, left their green card at home, or even a citizen who is brown and can't prove on the spot they are a citizen.

I say all this because it's horrifying to see fellow dreamers who have a little bit of protection with DACA dismissing this as "Oh, this is just those other illegals. Fucking losers". but you're right, it's definitely a case of "First they came for X...."

If you have DACA protection and no removal order than god bless you, but have some sympathy for all the lives that are disrupted.

One of my relatives has a Latino family living next door. There is a bunch of them that live in the house and are very proud of that house because they're always doing some sort of project in the back yard and they're kind of annoying because they often have family over with very loud music till late on weekends but they are enjoying their lives and are happy.

When this ICE business was supposed ot happen a couple of weeks ago, they seemed to have disappeared for that weekend. I'm betting at least one of them has some immigration issues. They came back again and now it seems like they're gone again. These are human beings who are afraid of being in their own home. Their lives are fully interrupted, who knows what's happening with work or whatever else they have gone on. This is tragic. No human should live in fear like this.


The sad thing here is that some of the people "agreeing" with you are the very people who where cheering for trump


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