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Pygmalion 05-16-2009 02:12 PM

A message to end worry - PLEASE READ
 
I am not any expert on anything. I just want to tell you guys what I think about DA, CIR and Congress (of course, Obama too).

First of all, DA, which stands for DREAM Act is an act targets on only the educated young adults and students. It has been re-introduced to the Congress this March, 2009 to both houses of Congress.
Yet, the review hasn't really gone too far. In fact, nothing has done to this 2009 version yet.

CIR which stands for Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act, targets on the undocumented immigrations those aren't cover by the DA. As far as we know at this point (May 16, 2009), no one has yet re-introduced CIR 2009 to the Congress.

DA used to be part of the CIR. But this year, the 2009 DA is a stand-alone bill.

Many of you have complained the Congress and doubted Obama's effort on DA and CIR issue. Obama from his last media conference said :
Quote:

"If the American people don't feel like you can secure the borders, then it's hard to strike a deal that would get people out of the shadows and on a pathway to citizenship who are already here, because the attitude of the average American is going to be, 'Well, you're just going to have hundreds of thousands more coming in each year.'"
Why Should we give the time for health reform before DA and CIR?
I am going to tell you this politic STRATEGY !

[1] Although Obama wins with a majority of immigration community, many of his supporters chose him for other reasons, such as his health care reform.
[2] Health Care Reform is one of his biggest promises.
Economy > Health > Immigration > Energy > Others
[3] There is nothing ILLEGAL about Health Care Reform, unless the Supreme Court says NO. Since so many people are supporting it, hoping it happens ASSP, if they see DA / CIR comes before HCR, they will angry at Obama and us. They wouldn't like it. "Why should we, the legal residents have to wait for these illegal to get the benefits before us?"
[4] Obama can clear another promise before focusing on his promise to the immigration.
[5] Health Care Reform may be applicable to us, the future DA / CIR, the future legal residents (of course, depends on the program too).
[6] Once it is pass, more people are likely to support DA and CIR. Not all Obama supporters like DA / CIR. If we make them happy, they don't complain about our CIR / DA.
[7] At the moment the HCR is passing, Obama will turn his head on the border security as he said in the conference. He is convincing the public, the left, right and the liberals, "I am going to make sure we keep it tight so we can resolve our illegal issue without worrying any future problems. Deportation is unrealistic with such number."
[8] In the end, even the Republicans have to agree on this DA and CIR programs because they do know, only one solution is possible - that's CIR and DA.


What can we do?


Stop complaining about Obama and people not trying to pass this CIR / DA. I don't really know the deal with CIR. I can't tell you guys what is going on. But I am sure, I am 101% sure DA will happen before CIR because 1) has been re-introduced, 2) targets only on the educated young people, 3) a message to convince the community Obama and the White House Administration (WHA) is doing their promises, 4) it's more popular in the Republican' point of views, more than CIR.

We cannot harass them everyday and say, GO GO GO. We surely must remind them but we can't complain about it. Be reasonable. What can we do really? All we can do is come to this forum, help each other out, the companionship, spread the good words around, via Facebook, Twitter, school, community service. We must remain calm and thankful that we finally see a light ahead of us. It may not happen this year, maybe early 2010, Nobody knows. If they are done Health Care, we can send our message again on pushing DA.

We have to give our biggest support to everything. Please stop all these complains and questions about why and why not. It's pointless to discuss why can't they push it more. They have a list of things to do. They didn't choose which one to go first. I think they are doing it in the order of the date it gets on the desk.

I hope our DA can be vote on the floor by Fall 2009, not 2010. I want CIR by Mid 2010, not Fall 2010 because election is coming up.

I want CIR for my family and I need DA for myself. I don't mean to tell anybody to shut up, but we have our lives here, we all know the deal. If we continue to harass each other via pointless discussion, it will only hurts ourselves, losing supporters, make excuses for the opponents.


Give the time, but there is a limit to our tolerance. We have to give just a little more time to see what the deal is from the White House and Congress.
We have to convince more Congressmen and Representatives to support us.

Pray to our God. Work hard in school and work. Be happy, live happy.
Some of you have to calm down. Nothing is guarantee. I don't care if you say "I can't wait, I have to get it by the end of 2009". There are millions of people waiting for this DA and CIR programs. It isn't just you, be reasonable.



What if neither one happens this year?


If it doesn't happen, I will be really upset. But then I think I will get better and think more positive. At that point, there will be everybody convincing, lobbing the politicans to pass it. Obama is a smart man, he knows the deal. Democratics know the deal very well. They will pass it in 2010. Millions of people know the deal. They are waiting. There are young people waiting for many years than you and I. Think more positive. There are people suffering everyday in their home-country. Not getting a legal resident, soon or later, is not really a big deal. At least we can still live here, with friends, getting marry, live under a roof, safe and we can eat plenty of foods and wearing enough clothing. There are people suffering everyday from diseases, war and hunger. Don't give up if it does happen. Think more positive.

J_Velasquez3 05-16-2009 04:32 PM

Re: A message to end worrying - PLEASE READ
 
is there a HCR bill out, so i can check the status and progression of the bill?

Pygmalion 05-16-2009 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by J_Velasquez3 (Post 129125)
is there a HCR bill out, so i can check the status and progression of the bill?

What is HCR? Sorry.
As far as the DA, here is the track
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-1751

J_Velasquez3 05-16-2009 04:36 PM

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Health Care Reform Bill

Pygmalion 05-16-2009 04:56 PM

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Hahaha sorry, I used that HCR in my own post. Hhahahaa
There is not one "single HRC" bill
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billsearch.xpd
There are some major one, some minor one.

Alex 05-16-2009 05:37 PM

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Pelosi promised universal health care to pass before August.

Pygmalion 05-16-2009 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex (Post 129130)
Pelosi promised universal health care to pass before August.

That would be a great news. What about energy. I heard people talked about energy recently. Are they trying to spend more time on it?

lookingforchange 05-16-2009 08:43 PM

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Yeah, I think its pretty obvious that we need to wait for Health Care reform (to hopefully pass) before congress and the administration to tackle CIR. And they may even tackle another major issue before then such as Energy, Education and hopefully nothing pops its ugly head such as terrorism.

Thier is a slim chance that DA could be put on the floor and hopefully passed because it is not as a divisive issue as CIR and (i doubt) Health care.

Bruinman 05-17-2009 12:29 AM

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you are asking alot for congress to do all that in the next couple months, let alone have time to hash out CIR and have a debate on it and pass it. theres no time for CIR this year, and next year they wont even touch it other than continuing what they are doing this year because of elections, which is talk and announcing they are holding continuous "meetings". soonest they can get to it on the floor would be 2011. and i dont know about you, but i cant wait that long. ugh. that would be insane. DREAM ACT HAS TO COME UP AS A STAND ALONE THIS YEAR.

Pygmalion 05-17-2009 12:47 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Bruinman (Post 129143)
you are asking alot for congress to do all that in the next couple months, let alone have time to hash out CIR and have a debate on it and pass it. theres no time for CIR this year, and next year they wont even touch it other than continuing what they are doing this year because of elections, which is talk and announcing they are holding continuous "meetings". soonest they can get to it on the floor would be 2011. and i dont know about you, but i cant wait that long. ugh. that would be insane. DREAM ACT HAS TO COME UP AS A STAND ALONE THIS YEAR.

This is why I believe, they will definitely pass DA before CIR for all those reasons I have mentioned.
When the worst comes, we just have to deal with it.
:( now :)


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