You know, I think I am against CIR
 

Really, let's think about it. One decides to go into a country, enter illegally of overstay their visa, then demands to be given permanent residence. I am not talking about the children brought here against their will, so don't bring this into the argument please. Do you guys really think it's OK to just give our parents permanent residency?

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If you view what they've done as a crime through the lense of legality, then at what point is the debt for crime paid for? Does the punishment fit the crime? Is being jailed, stripped of property, and barred from ever coming back to that country a fair punishment for crossing a demarcated line?

If you view their actions as being immoral, what atonement or punishment should be handed to them? On the flip side, aren't they victims themselves trying to escape poverty and hunger?

Once Rep. Steve King labels his Jesus as an illegal immigrant, which he was, then I'll jump on board.



PS: Do we need to protect our borders and restrict illegal entry? Absolutely. Seal the border shut. But if you fail - because of your apathy or double standard (ask them to come work for cheap while saying get out) then there is some blame on the part of the U.S. government. Because the illegals and the government are both responsible, there needs to be some process for legalization for people already here.

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They came here for a better life and this was the only option available at that time.

Also, this is not a crime by any Federal not State law.

You do know that that there are Lottery winners every year right?

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You sound stupid. Our parents came here with the intention of finding a better future, not to break the law. Immigration laws are unfair. Why should anyone unfairly wait DECADES for a green card? It shouldn't take that long to process applications, and yet, it takes forever. People are desperate and will do whatever it takes to get ahead in this world. It's just sad that the broken immigration system has to victimize both Americans and immigrants alike.

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You, indeed sound stupid. Same argument other people have when it comes to DREAMers "they might ntot have come here voluntarily, but they had a choice to either leave or stay. Why should we reward those choices?" If you think about it, it comes down to the same question oponents and you are asking "why should we give them a legal status even if they are young or old?"

Re: You know, I think I am against CIR
 

Skamm

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I never understood this backlog especially with the fast computing technology we have.

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cause everything is still done in paper and not digitally. this is part of the reform that Barry wants.

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My impression is that the public stopped viewing the undocumented immigration issue as an economic one and started looking at it as a security and criminal justice issue, in view of cartel violence in Mexico. People also feel threatened by the state of the economy and when you add to that the "cheap labor force pool from a country in shambles" picture, then negative sentiment towards illegals becomes much easier to be understood.
Without any intention to promote his talk (shout) show, I was watching O'Reilly tonight how he was ranting first about how illegals deserve to be deported, then about big government spending and huge deficit, stating that each U.S. citizen now owes $40k+ of national debt (amount of national debt divided by number of US citizens)... well, DREAMers and other undocumented aren't citizens, but if you make them that will be less national debt per person in America today. Simple division operation.:razz:
The argument against clemency for illegals the way eddy presented it would make sense for a nation in Europe, especially Eastern Europe where nations were formed not by steady influx of population from outside of their borders but from groups of people already living on those teritories for generations. America was formed by immigrants and for immigrants and vitaly depends on that steady influx.

Re: You know, I think I am against CIR
 

Right, part of CIR. We are behind in Immigration technology. This also means we do not have enough employees out there to do the paperwork?