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Invictus 03-31-2011 11:41 PM

The issue is not the DREAM Act anymore
 
It's the border.

We have enough support for the DREAM Act.

The issue is the border. All our troubles hang on the monkeying around on the border issue. Namely no consensus on what constitutes a secure border, no way to measure how secure the border is, no way to assess how realistic plans are goals are to secure the border.

The border is the issue. We need to grab these republicans by the collar and drag them to the table so they can take some responsibility to make border security more than a catchphrase.

We also need to grab some of the hardcore CIR holdouts who are rejecting border security and get them to be real.

The issue is no more about the DREAM Act.

It's the border.

2Face 04-04-2011 08:37 PM

Re: The issue is not the DREAM Act anymore
 
I think we should go all out and support that 10 point plan proposed by Kyl and McCain. Frankly if we want any chances at DA and CIR in the future we will need one man on board, Senator McCain and once he is in, Graham will automatically be there as well. Thats it. It all depends on these two men. They are the faces of DA and CIR.

Thecure 04-05-2011 05:59 PM

Re: The issue is not the DREAM Act anymore
 
HAHAHAHA!!! The border will NEVER be secure!

The ATF has been arming drug lords. Do you need more proof that everyone is being played with the "secure border card"?!


The border issue is a myth.

It will never be secure unless there's a militia covering every inch of the border [E,S,N,W] AND the USA becomes an island and breaks off from Mexico and Canada.

It's never going to happen. It's most likely that Mexico and Canada get annexed and that is still far fetched.

2Face 04-05-2011 10:40 PM

Re: The issue is not the DREAM Act anymore
 
http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews...ct-now-the-law

Napolitano: Unpassed DREAM Act Now the Law

Worth a read.

Thecure 04-06-2011 12:55 AM

Re: The issue is not the DREAM Act anymore
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 2Face (Post 214209)
http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews...ct-now-the-law

Napolitano: Unpassed DREAM Act Now the Law

Worth a read.

WTF?!

It's not the law. This is just a slanderous right wing propaganda. If they were to make a new DA and they want to play with their legal technicalities and whatnot, then they would probably narrow it down to Visa overstay ppls under 30 or 25 at most. It's gonna be yet another ridiculous day on capitol hill and the dreamies will age out. smh

2Face 04-06-2011 08:31 PM

Re: The issue is not the DREAM Act anymore
 
Well I was focusing mainly on the fact that time and time again Napolitano has said that the border isn't out of control and is actually secure. She is THE ONE who is in charge of the damn border. Why do we have these agencies when they are not getting any say? Instead we are seeing some old politicians like McCain stalling reform efforts by saying "we need to secure the border."

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thecure (Post 214230)
WTF?!

It's not the law. This is just a slanderous right wing propaganda. If they were to make a new DA and they want to play with their legal technicalities and whatnot, then they would probably narrow it down to Visa overstay ppls under 30 or 25 at most. It's gonna be yet another ridiculous day on capitol hill and the dreamies will age out. smh


Boulevard 04-20-2011 11:06 PM

Re: The issue is not the DREAM Act anymore
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Invictus (Post 213897)
It's the border.

We have enough support for the DREAM Act.

The issue is the border. All our troubles hang on the monkeying around on the border issue. Namely no consensus on what constitutes a secure border, no way to measure how secure the border is, no way to assess how realistic plans are goals are to secure the border.

The border is the issue. We need to grab these republicans by the collar and drag them to the table so they can take some responsibility to make border security more than a catchphrase.

We also need to grab some of the hardcore CIR holdouts who are rejecting border security and get them to be real.

The issue is no more about the DREAM Act.

It's the border.

Good post. I agree with you on this.

Jelly Bean Lover 04-21-2011 09:55 AM

Re: The issue is not the DREAM Act anymore
 
I want to believe you guys, but I don't think the border will ever be secure enough for the racist right and in fact it is not even half of the problem. What about visa overstays? A new Berlin Wall on the Mexican border will never stop that problem.

SomeGuy_ 04-22-2011 01:50 AM

Re: The issue is not the DREAM Act anymore
 
Border security is just a lame excuse by the GOP:
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la...,6243178.story

NoWhereToRun 04-22-2011 11:09 AM

Re: The issue is not the DREAM Act anymore
 
elections are approaching and we are the puppets on this. some will say go left and others will say go right. open your eyes. if they want to do something they will but everyone is busy packing their pockets with special interest. Just track the guns and the bullets and u will know where they come from. and then mexico always had a drug problem...but as long no one meddled with the issue things stayed quiet and america always had snorting issues. supply and demand.


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