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buckminsterfullerene 12-15-2011 12:56 AM

Alcalde pide derecho a voto para indocumentados (Mayor asks voting rights for undoc)
 
http://www.telemundoareadelabahia.co...135607598.html

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El alcalde de New Haven en Connecticut, John DeStefano, planea pedir a la legislatura estatal que permita a los inmigrantes indocumentados de esa ciudad votar en las elecciones municipales.

DeStefano dijo el martes que la propuesta ayudará a la comunidad a estar más comprometida y a seguir el ejemplo de otras ciudades, según el diario The New Haven Independent.

El diario también reporta que New Haven tiene alrededor de 10,000 inmigrantes que no son ciudadanos.

Esta propuesta solo les permitiría a los inmigrantes que no son cuidadanos poder votar en las elecciones municipales pero no en las elecciones estatales o federales.

El demócrata, DeStefano, dijo que los inmigrantes ilegales pagan impuestos indirectamente a través de su renta y al mandar a sus hijos a las escuelas de New Haven, así que deberían de poder votar en su municipio.

En el 2007 la cuidad de New Haven aprobó un programa que ofrece tarjetas de identificación municipales para todos los habitantes, incluyendo a los inmigrantes indocumentados. Estas identificaciones son para dar acceso a servicios bancarios y de la biblioteca.
Sorry for the non-spanish speakers, basically the news article states that the mayor of New Haven Connecticut is asking the legislature of the city to allow undocumented immigrants the ability to vote in his municipality elections, since their children attend public schools and they at the very least indirectly pay taxes (did not mention the fact that we also directly pay income taxes), through rent and sales taxes.

He suggests the proposal will help the community be united and would follow the example of other cities, according to the New Haven Independent.

This would be for municipal elections, not federal or state obviously. It also states that New Haven has approximately 10,000 non-citizen immigrants, and in 2007, the city of New Haven approved a program that offered identification cards to everyone in the municipality including undocumented immigrants. These identifications where for use in bank transactions and libraries.

Basically, this would allow all non-citizen immigrants the ability to vote on strictly municipality matters, this would also include LPR and undocumented alike.

Dres2011 12-15-2011 01:12 AM

Re: Alcalde pide derecho a voto para indocumentados (Mayor asks voting rights for und
 
this is going to cause uproar.

Feenmi 12-15-2011 01:37 AM

Re: Alcalde pide derecho a voto para indocumentados (Mayor asks voting rights for und
 
Idiot. It's not like a citizen's vote means shit, but still.....idiot

Alex QA 12-15-2011 01:52 AM

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This is dumb ,

buckminsterfullerene 12-15-2011 02:14 AM

Re: Alcalde pide derecho a voto para indocumentados (Mayor asks voting rights for und
 
I don't know about this being a bad idea, it basically focuses the discussion in an entirely new perspective. We most definitely cannot vote in federal elections, and we can't vote in state elections, but municipal elections which define where a portion of the taxes paid by the people living in the municipality get sent through is different. Most certainly, we pay the property taxes, we reside in some form or another and thus are subject to property taxes whether directly or indirectly if we pay rent, in some cases the proportion might be more significant than the counterpart purely due to whether there are certain exemptions we might not be able to apply for (a scenario my family discovered when they fixed their status, they are now paying a quarter of what they used to pay in property taxes).

What I find interesting about the article is the mention that they would be following in the footsteps of other cities, suggesting this is not revolutionary and that it exists in some form elsewhere. Most certainly, the fact that they have provided identification cards to everyone living in the municipality seems to suggest they are well adapted to accomplishing this task.

So, what say should we have for the property taxes we pay if any ? one-fifth the voice of the average citizen?(note bene, this would be mostly about the public services including education which is mostly funded by property taxes) Or shall we be unable to have any say in the community our taxes help fund its operation?

This is a good thing, it may spark some controversy in some places, but it needs to happen.

Smooth 12-15-2011 02:35 AM

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Work permit damn it. A work permit.

buckminsterfullerene 12-15-2011 02:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Smooth (Post 241206)
Work permit damn it. A work permit.

yes.... and Driving Certificates or license or permit or whatever they want to call them.

We demand to be treated the same as anyone else and to have the same opportunities based on our abilities.

live4dream 12-15-2011 10:59 AM

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Voting right for the undocumented. HAHAHAHA. This is the funniest thing i heard today. Give us work permit we are more than happy. IDIOTS.

tyler129 12-15-2011 12:40 PM

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He clearly wants us to vote for his party, nothing else.

Even if I get voting rights, I wouldn't vote for his party.

CB124 12-16-2011 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by tyler129 (Post 241222)
He clearly wants us to vote for his party, nothing else.

Even if I get voting rights, I wouldn't vote for his party.

Thank god someone 'gets it'. Thats all this is about, votes. You are all just expendable pawns to them, nothing more.


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