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Ianus 03-11-2013 06:38 AM

Senators agree on path to legal status for illegal immigrants
 
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationwo...,4603683.story
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WASHINGTON — Eight senators who have spent weeks trying to write a bipartisan bill to overhaul immigration laws have privately agreed on the most contentious part of the draft — how to offer legal status to the nation's 11 million illegal immigrants.

According to aides familiar with the closed-door negotiations, the bill would require illegal immigrants to register with Homeland Security Department authorities, file federal income taxes for their time in America and pay a still-to-be-determined fine. They also must have a clean law enforcement record.

Once granted probationary legal status, immigrants would be allowed to work but would be barred from receiving federal public benefits, including food stamps, family cash assistance, Medicaid and unemployment insurance.


The group's current draft is largely in line with President Obama's call to set a pathway to earned citizenship as part of a broader immigration reform package, as well as with recent efforts by prominent Republican lawmakers to resolve an issue that hurt GOP candidates in November's election.

Though the draft is a long way from becoming law, immigration advocates expressed guarded optimism about a possible breakthrough.

"Nine months ago, people would have thought you were nuts to say that four Republicans and four Democrats were working on a way to legalize 11 million people," said Angela Kelley, an immigration expert at the Center for American Progress, a think tank with close ties to the White House. "It's a Rubik's Cube, but more sides are matching in color than ever before. That's significant."

Still undecided is how long illegal immigrants would need to wait before they could apply for permanent resident status and eventually become citizens. The delay for a green card probably would be 10 years or longer, the aides said.

Also unresolved are such politically charged topics as how many visas to issue to high-tech specialists and other guest workers; how to keep track of when visitors leave the country; and how to pay for more Border Patrol officers, fencing and other security measures in an era of shrinking budgets, the aides said.

The eight senators met Tuesday and Wednesday, alternating between a private office in the Russell Senate Office Building and a marble-floored ceremonial room off the Senate chamber.


The group had hoped to deliver a completed bill to the Senate Judiciary Committee for consideration before the Senate leaves for Easter recess on March 22. But aides said remaining issues required more technical advice and cost estimates that could delay delivery until early April.

The group includes Republican Sens. John McCain of Arizona, Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, Marco Rubio of Florida and Jeff Flake of Arizona. The Democrats are Sens. Charles E. Schumer of New York, Richard J. Durbin of Illinois, Robert Menendez of New Jersey and Michael Bennet of Colorado.

The draft bill will be several hundred pages long when finished. For now, the unfinished pieces are peppered throughout the draft.

"We're working through them. I'm not sure we'll get them all done," McCain said in an interview. "Some of these issues are very controversial."

Business groups and Silicon Valley companies have pushed for more H1B visas for software engineers and other high-skilled employees, for example, while labor unions have warned that too many immigrants would undercut qualified Americans seeking high-tech jobs in a weak economy.

Unless the group designs a visa program that ensures a robust labor force, Rubio told reporters, "What you're going to have is people coming into the country illegally or overstaying visas."

Immigration overhaul bills floated in 2006 and 2007 were sunk by disagreements between labor and business leaders over how many workers to allow into the country. Some senators are skeptical that the current group can find a solution.

"The country can absorb only so much low-skilled labor without significantly impacting the prospects of working Americans to get jobs and get higher pay," said Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-Ala.), a member of the judiciary panel who has been critical of previous efforts to expand the visa program.

In an effort to resolve the issue, negotiators from the AFL-CIO and the U.S. Chamber of Commerce have worked with Senate staffers to set a formula so the number of visas for both high-tech and low-skilled workers can fluctuate. They have agreed that the tally would move up or down based on job demand, unemployment rates and other data.

"We're really trying to fill in the details," said Ana Avendano, an AFL-CIO negotiator.

The two sides have agreed that a work visa need not be tied to a specific employer and that foreign workers would be allowed to change jobs. Unions want assurances that foreign workers have the same rights as Americans to report mistreatment to the Labor Department and to sue employers for unpaid wages.

Unlike in the past, both business and organized labor want an immigration bill to pass, said Eliseo Medina, secretary-treasurer of the Service Employees International Union, which represents more than 2 million workers.

"No one wants to be responsible for deep-sixing the effort," Medina said.

Negotiators also have hit a roadblock on whether the government should keep track of who is leaving the country and how to do so.

Under current law, U.S. immigration authorities do not keep a record when tourists and other foreign visitors leave the country. So the government doesn't know whether they have overstayed their visas, as thousands do each year.

The Senate group has tentatively agreed to create a system to check visas against an immigration database at international airports and seaports but have not determined whether it is feasible at much busier border crossings. The task is potentially huge: U.S. borders with Mexico and Canada are the most highly trafficked in the world, with 250 million crossings each year.

Some lawmakers warn that checking visas as people leave the country would be expensive to implement, further clog busy border crossings and slow crucial commerce.


Muzaffar Chishti, director of the Migration Policy Institute at New York University School of Law, said the real legislative battle over immigration would come after the bill was made public.

"We haven't even begun to see the opposition to the bill," Chishti said. "Because there isn't meat on the bone."

Dreamer12 03-11-2013 11:04 AM

Re: Senators agree on path to legal status for illegal immigrants
 
This is great news

dtrt09 03-11-2013 12:11 PM

Re: Senators agree on path to legal status for illegal immigrants
 
I disagree with the "no unemployment insurance" part because as a worker and taxpayer, I've been paying into this for a loooong time, I'm talking 15 yrs. I've never needed it, but if your employer lays you off, you are entitled to unemployment benefits. To do otherwise, it's discriminatorylabor practice.

Also, what if you already speak English, already pay all your taxes, have paid them on time, etc, etc...you are to wait until everyone else eligible catches up? Ugh, again they make it impossible for those who do things right.

natalie2288 03-11-2013 12:17 PM

Re: Senators agree on path to legal status for illegal immigrants
 
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Originally Posted by dtrt09 (Post 443132)
I disagree with the "no unemployment insurance" part because as a worker and taxpayer, I've been paying into this for a loooong time, I'm talking 15 yrs. I've never needed it, but if your employer lays you off, you are entitled to unemployment benefits. To do otherwise, it's discriminatorylabor practice.

Also, what if you already speak English, already pay all your taxes, have paid them on time, etc, etc...you are to wait until everyone else eligible catches up? Ugh, again they make it impossible for those who do things right.

Yeah because those people that did it "right" never crossed the border or overstayed their visas.

Morrow 03-11-2013 12:19 PM

Re: Senators agree on path to legal status for illegal immigrants
 
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Still undecided is how long illegal immigrants would need to wait before they could apply for permanent resident status and eventually become citizens. The delay for a green card probably would be 10 years or longer, the aides said.
This means we have to wait another 10 years, or you have to be here for at least 10 years to apply?

immigration truth 03-11-2013 12:28 PM

Re: Senators agree on path to legal status for illegal immigrants
 
We have two key questions here

1. Will this work visa scheme allow travel outside of the country? To expect 12 million undocumented immigrants to be marooned here for ten+ years is insanity, particularly if you add in the decades many have already maintained here in terms of continuous residence.

2. The status of dreamers. Will dreamers earn an expedited path to permanent residency? I think we would all agree that it would only be fair to have that be attached as a provision in the larger legislative framework.

Until those two details are released, this bill cannot be commented on I feel.

Laker24x 03-11-2013 12:54 PM

Re: Senators agree on path to legal status for illegal immigrants
 
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Originally Posted by natalie2288 (Post 443133)
Yeah because those people that did it "right" never crossed the border or overstayed their visas.

That doesn't give you the right to not pay taxes. All of us should be contributing regardless of status, it's just a moral issue.


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bigdreamer2010 03-11-2013 01:00 PM

Re: Senators agree on path to legal status for illegal immigrants
 
^^ Because Dick Durbin, the original creator of the Dream Act, is a member of the"Gang of 8" I highly doubt that the bill will not have the dream act. The dream act is supported by the president, and leaders of both the Democratic and Republican party.

Also, based on the language in Obama's "leaked" version of a immigration bill there is a SPECIAL RULE FOR CHILD ENTRANTS.

If you've been granted DACA you can for the "LPI" status but your application will be expedited because your eligibility and requirements for LPI would have already been satisfied during the DACA application process. Once you have your LPI status and you have completed at least 2 years of college or military service you can avoid the "back of the line" 10 year wait and immediately apply to adjust your status to Permanent Resident (aka Green Card). You can then get your citizenship a few years later.

And [immigration truth] you can travel in and out of the country under LPI. Now all of this is based on Obama's bill but the principals the senate has laid out are almost identical to the bill Obama has "leaked"

Also consider this:

Gang of 8 Members that support the dream act:

Dick Durbin - original architect
John McCain - cosponser of the bill 3 times before the GOP went too far right
Michael Bennet - cosponser
Robert Menendez - cosponser
Charles E. Schumer - cosponser

Gang of 8 members that kinda support the dream act:

Marco Rubio - offered an "alternative"
Jeff Flake - used to support the dream act but flip flopped in 2010 along with McCain as the GOP was going too far right


Gang of 8 member who is kind of against the Dream act:

Lindsay Graham - although he voted against the DA is he open to a path to citizenship

So the DA is safe in the senate version with about 87% of the people crafting the immigration bill have either supported the DA in the past or are open to supporting it. You can even say 100% if you throw Lindsay Graham in there since he supports a pathway to citizenship. I don't see why he wouldn't support the DA.

Pianoswithoutfaith 03-11-2013 01:36 PM

Re: Senators agree on path to legal status for illegal immigrants
 
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Originally Posted by dtrt09 (Post 443132)
I disagree with the "no unemployment insurance" part because as a worker and taxpayer, I've been paying into this for a loooong time, I'm talking 15 yrs. I've never needed it, but if your employer lays you off, you are entitled to unemployment benefits. To do otherwise, it's discriminatorylabor practice.

Also, what if you already speak English, already pay all your taxes, have paid them on time, etc, etc...you are to wait until everyone else eligible catches up? Ugh, again they make it impossible for those who do things right.

Yes entering without inspection and overstaying are doing it right, right? No offense we really don't have a "right" to call who is doing things right or not.



Imagine if I said, " gosh they should give green cards only for people with stem degreens because these people worked the hardest and everyone else is making it hard for us with advance stem degrees!!!"

Pianoswithoutfaith 03-11-2013 01:41 PM

Re: Senators agree on path to legal status for illegal immigrants
 
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Originally Posted by Laker24x (Post 443139)
That doesn't give you the right to not pay taxes. All of us should be contributing regardless of status, it's just a moral issue.


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A moral issue is going back to our countries and applying there instead of waiting for another government to solve our issues.




I don't say paying taxes is the right or moral thing to do because I would be a hypocrite when I am here with out authorization. ( before Dada) I call it how it is and its filing for taxes not paying taxes because you pay taxes whenever you buying something or pay rent. ( you guys know where taxes come from and where they go right) if your in the bracket where you exceed it then you pay whatever it is if you paid too much then you get a refund but everyone should be filing for taxes regardless of their income.


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