Who flip-flopped on Dream?
 

Although the loss yesterday still causes tremendous amount of pain, but hey! AT LEAST WE GOT A VOTE, which has never happened before. So to certain extent, we ought to be thankful about the progress Dream is making. When I went throguh the voting records from yesterday, I noticed more than a few senators changed their positions on Dream which was very disappointing.

Among them are Specter, Grassley, Crapo, Pryor, Landrieu McCain. They are either current or past co-sponsors of Dream. I was the most disappointed about Specter and McCain's betrayal. I was very surprised to see Crapo and Grassley not voting for us. Although those who vote for the cloture will not be a guaranteed "yea" when the real vote occurs, I am still shocked to see these former allies would not even allow Dream to be debated.

On a positive note, these are also votes we could have had. If we do the math, 52+6 flipfloppers+ absentees, ( Kenneday and Boxer and maybe Dodd?), we would have over 60 votes to proceed.

This election year politics is ugly. How can McCain denounced Dream when he has always been a co-sponsor? This change of mind is saying alot about the person and also how he will be if he becomes a president. I used to admire how McCain is different from his conservative base and gave him a nod. But now we should just call him a big time flip-flopper. Specter's sellout is also disturbing, given that he has always been a strong supporter for Dream and CIR.

Once again, there are also positive signs that show the progress of Dream and where we are at this point. I firmly believe that we will have a good chance if we can convert those who sell out on us to flip-flop back to Dream, then there will be enough votes to overcome this hurdle.

Re: Who flip-flopped on Dream?
 

That's one thing, I still don't understand why President BUSH announced he would veto this bill, I don't understand this people, He wanted a CIR..I think he'd say: or is everthing or nothing at all.

flipflops hmm..
Pete Domenici

former co-sponsors that switched..
Mike Crapo
Mark Pryor

co-sponsors that did not vote..
John McCain(R)
Barbara Boxer(D)
Ted Kennedy(D)
Chris Dodd(D)

that were a toss-up but voted no..
Cornyn
Grassley
Specter
Landrieu

Re: Who flip-flopped on Dream?
 

Source? I read it wasn't supported but it wasn't officially going to be veto'd

Re: Who flip-flopped on Dream?
 

They had compelling reasons for wanting to veto it though. They say it could lead to a large scale documentation fraud. There was a statement I read in papers online and I understand why he'd veto it. Doesn't mean I want him to veto, just means that Durbin should come up with a more hardcore version of Dream so it doesn't look like amnesty.

Re: Who flip-flopped on Dream?
 

What kind of documentation fraud, we all have to prove we went to a US public schools.

Re: Who flip-flopped on Dream?
 

I have no idea of what kind of documentation fraud. White House said it. If I had to guess what kind of fraud, I'd say people will try to make up fake hs transcripts in order to prove they were here. I don't even know if you could do such thing.

Its ironic that the arguments the White House used against the Dream Act were the arguments anti-immigration groups used against his CIR bill.

Landrieu is the Senator who is in the greatest danger of losing her seat next election. She had to shore up her conservative base in Louisiana. I don't blame her for voting no. Though she does look quite attractive.

we won 52-44 but not enough to get the majority which sucks!. i thought the White House was not going to do that, since last time i heard bush was for the dream act