CIR during President Trump's term
 

Hi everyone,

I believe that we should not be that pessimistic about what is going to happen. If Hillary was elected President, she would have definitely kept DACA in place. However, I do not believe that there would have been any CIR because the republicans would have opposed anything she proposed, just like the way they did during President Obama's term. We also know that President elect Trump was compassionate towards dreamers in the past; and the person that is in charge of the legislative branch, Speaker Paul Ryan, speaks sympathetically about us on his website. Furthermore, President elect Trump is a businessman, so I can see him going forward with a CIR where he gets to collect a lot of money from us. Let me detail what I am pondering about.

Every undocumented person goes through the same process as we did during DACA: 1)background check, 2)pay around $500 processing fee and then everyone gets an EAD card. This EAD card will be good for 4 years. During those 4 years, you cannot commit any crimes and pay a penalty fee for being in the country without any documentation in the past. Everyone receives a green card after successfully completing this 4 year probation period. So let's look at some numbers.

We know that there are at least 800,000 dreamers, average that to 1 million. There are around 2 million undocumented parents of American citizen children. There are around 2 million parents of dreamers. And then the rest.

Lets say that the penalty fee for dreamers is 5k, undocumented parents of american citizen children is 10K, and parents of dreamers is 15K. I am not even going to get into the others. And let's also note that we will have 4 years to pay this up.

1) 1 Million times 5,000 = 5 Billion
2) 2 Million times 10,000 = 20 Billion
3) 2 Million times 15,000 = 30 Billion
Total => 55 Billion dollars... (Hit the apprentice music > money money money money money)

That is MORE money than the worst estimate for the concrete wall that he wants to built in the southern border, which is 12 billion dollars. And the best part of it all is that mostly "Mexicans" will pay for it, so he can full fill his other promise that Mexico will pay for the wall.

Guys, President elect Trump is all about Money! He is definitely going to come up with something like this and we are finally going to get CIR. There was Z E R O chance for a CIR if Hillary became president, because as I stated before all of the Republicans were going to oppose her just for the sake of opposing her, the same way they did it against President Obama. Let's be little optimistic...

Re: CIR during President Trump's term
 

FINALLY this forum is lighting up with sense and intellectual talk! Old school DAPers finally coming through. Donald J. Trump is a true business man. I completely agree with OP. The man knows all this. DACA/Dream Act/CIR just makes business sense. I've even read somewhere that JP Morgan Chase CEO is on the short list for one of Trump's cabinet positions. CEOs are all for immigration reform in general. If HRC was President, she would have NEVER compromised with Republicans. When that happens, Republicans never come to the table. I live in a heavy liberal state and I can tell you people over here absolutely chastised Hillary day in and day out. Everything happens for a good reason. Trump will pass a Reagan like CIR bill but I just hope he secures the border this time!

Re: CIR during President Trump's term
 

Smh. Not happening

Re: CIR during President Trump's term
 

Diplok brah, you must know that one big rule in business is ETHICS. Seeing that the man is touts to be a successful businessman and has just become President just makes me confident that somewhere in him he is ethical and will subsequently act in such an ethical manner moving forward. He just needed to speak that way to wake up the silent majority to vote for him so that he can do what he things is right.

Re: CIR during President Trump's term
 

I agree that we should remain hopeful. If Hillary had won, the Republicans would have remained in power and would have just gridlocked the government and conducted investigations into her Foundation and email server. Government shutdowns, and total gridlock would have dominated Washington.

Now that the Republicans control all of 3 branches of government (or will soon do it), it is likely that they might do something about all of us that have no criminal record and have been in the country for years. It might not be pretty, maybe with large penalties/fees, but it could at least grants us a green card.

Check out this article and pay attention to the last 3 paragraphs , http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016...ocates-n682651

Let's remain hopeful, but prepared for the worst.

Re: CIR during President Trump's term
 

If the GOP is smart now that they have full control, they should go for a CIR. They are hungry for that Latino vote, what better way to get future votes for the Republicans then passing it

Re: CIR during President Trump's term
 

Maybe we are not watching the same events they are. And I know I'm going to catch heat for this, but these are the same Republicans that voted against the DREAM Act. They just won the election without large numbers of Latinos or POC. What incentive do they have to help us? Bad PR? That's what the entire election was for him. He is already planning to block out the press and minimize their access to the White House, literally cutting off any potential criticism.

We have no bargaining power or leverage at this point. As long as they turn out enough racist, angry old whites, guess what? They win. So, again, what incentive do they have to either move on immigration reform or leave DACA in place?

Don't get me wrong. I would hope they push legislation. But is it even realistic to assume they will do anything that will benefit us when Kobach and Sessions are two of his immigration advisers?

Re: CIR during President Trump's term
 

Can I just add something interesting on Kobach? Here in Kansas where he should be the worst since he's so anti immigrant supposedly, we don't really ever hear of him. There's hardly any places that do e-verify either, apart from like Subway lol. It really does confuse me what his stance is. He will help any state screw over the hispanics, but isn't really pushing for anything here. At least not that I know of. Maybe someone can correct me if I'm wrong.

Re: CIR during President Trump's term
 

Lets just wait and who he appoints as Secretary of the DHS.

Re: CIR during President Trump's term
 

I'm also hoping he'd consider something like this. It might make sense to apply a tax penalty to dreamers too.

But you ganna remember this goes directly against his supporters, and if he wants a second term he needs to keep them happy.

To his supporters, we are the main reasons for everything shitty in their lives. Bad jobs, tax, if you can name it and they can blame you for it.

They think we don't even pay tax, and their tax dollars are being wasted on us.

They think we are taking their jobs even though some of them don't even remotely qualify for the positions we hold.
These are the hardcore Trump supporters. They'd rather see us all get deported and watch the country's economy suffer than to work with us.