Death Kiss -False Claims to US Citizen
 

Been reading a lot about false claims to US Citizen which has no waiver and permanent ban to US for answering Yes to "Are you a US Citizen?" This is crazy penalty for something like this. At first I though this was limited to immigrantiom related form and government programs for benefit but the more I'm reading it could encompass normal private home loans, car loans, bank accounts, and credit cards. Does anyone have insight?

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Just don’t do it, but between you and I; it will be harder to prove on a credit card or personal loan versus saying it to a federal agent.

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Credit card/loan apps are fine.

Dont lie to a Fed agency.

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I think that's true about what others are saying. I don't think they check credit cards and loans as long as they're not from government assistance such as student loans.

I mean if you think about it how extensive is this background check is??

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That is incorrect information. The best is to never lie about being a USC Citizen under any circumstance. It is less likely that they'll comb through credit card applications, college applications, etc , but that doesn't mean they won't. No one can go back in time to undo it if they have, but let's not tell people it is ok.

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Agreed with this comment. It's definitely not right to claim something you're not. If it was even done at all, then you can't go back in time to change it so its better not to do it ever again.

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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.hop...-good-law/amp/

I found this interesting article by a lawyer who said that the false claim to citizenship used to use the generic fraud and misrepresentation waiver. Something to keep in mind if it ended up happening to you.

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Yes. It is best to never claim to be usc

But if had done it already on CC/loan apps, dont worry about it too much

Just dont claim usc anymore

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Learn from my mistake guys. Never, EVER claim to be a USC, no matter how easy it may seem at the time to a Federal Agent or anywhere else for that matter.

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In theory, claiming USC on credit applications does not relate to the benefit sought. Thus not a ground for inadmissibility. So is claiming USC on college application, if your state already grants instate tuition to DACA, claiming USC will not relate to the benefit sought:

The second requirement is that the purpose or benefit must be defined objectively. In other words, the false claim of citizenship must actually relate to the benefit sought. For example, if the person lied about being a U.S. citizen in order to secure a small business loan, and the applicant’s citizenship is irrelevant, then that would not trigger the ground of inadmissibility.

https://cliniclegal.org/resources/bi...im-citizenship

However, falsely claiming USC to evade law enforcement is clearly in the wrong:

The words “benefit” and “purpose” were given separate meanings. A benefit has to be identifiable and enumerated in the Immigration Act or in the federal or state law. So that includes all situations where one is applying for a specific thing or status, such as a passport, driver’s license, employment authorization document, parole or entry to the United States. It would not include statements made to evade removal proceedings. The word “purpose” is broader than “benefit” and would include the avoidance of negative legal consequences. Individuals who lie about their citizenship to Department of Homeland Security officers at the border are, for example, seeking to evade inspection