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Originally Posted by CB124
I think the large numbers are more of a hinderance than helpful.
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If that is the case than we are in trouble. Isn't that part of the hole argument? In every single news report they always say "12 to 20 million illegal immigrant in this country!" I guess it's a sad reality in social movements only very few become active.
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Originally Posted by SaintD
We are not the problem! People in congress and the senate who can see beyond the color of our skin and our place of birth. They hide behind their laws today, in the exact same way they did with their Jim Crow laws back in the 50's. We are as much criminals for wanting to be here and make a good life for our selves, as Rosa Parks was a criminal for sitting at the front of the bus!!!!!!!
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You are right about Rosa Parks, but then her community acted on that situation. Not only a few did. The action was so big that the law was overturned. Again it was because of Action.
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Originally Posted by tyler129
of course, being proactive in the movement would have helped.
imagine if all of 1 million dreamers camped out in front of Congress like Occupy Wall St. You don't think it would have passed by now?
imagine if all of 12 million undocumented immigrants camped out in front of Congress. you really don't think CIR would have passed by now?
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Originally Posted by buckminsterfullerene
12 million people is a greater number than the population of most states in the United States, that would be an epic statement, but the logistics behind it would make it next to impossible to pull off, its just such a massive number.
I think the issue is that the are looking at the numbers, and numbers do not say anything about the people, they need more stories, they need to see who we are and what we do.
It is easier to say no to 1 million people than it is to say no to someone whose story they know and whose hardships they are familiar with.
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I know it's not just about huge ass marches. Even though you have to admit it sounds pretty bad ass when a news anchors say "1 million march". I don't think they will say "no" to 1 million people standing at their door steps. It helps to show how big and massive the problem really is. More stories? Yeah that's important too, and I think it's impressive to see so many undocumented coming out and telling their stories. But a point will come soon when we will stall in the movement with just story telling. Look, I stood in front of a Senator and told my story and that didn't change his mind. I stood in front of another Senator's secretary and told my story. Again that didn't do jack shit. I'm sorry but I can't stop the feeling I get that at the end of the day just story telling will only get us pity from someone else. And congressman don't operate on feelings of others. That is the reality. Some do but they are rare.
We have to convince them by using shame. Exposing them to their lies. Challenge the system. Not only by a 1 million immigrant march. The possibilities are infinite. How about going to ICE offices and see if they really can deport all us at the same time? That will shut Republicans mouths right away. When ICE starts to turn "illegals" away. How about that for a news headline. How about a real work boycott? How about a number of DREAMers equal to the number of student Visas issued each year show up to a Washington's embassy? Again the main thing is to expose their hypocrisy. And yes the turn out will have to be huge, because when the opposition say "they will self deport" they don't mean only a couple thousand.