Devastated Illegal with 4.0 GPA Unable to Attend UC Berkeley - Page 2

Uhm... I agree with MD. Expecting the government to pay for or loan money to non citizen students is TOO far. Even if she gets through school, she can't work here in the USA due to having no status. So why give money to this student when you are going to get no return on the investment? Idiots like this girl make us look like greedy parasites. We sort of already got a free education from K-12.

I thought undocumenteds have moved beyond the fact that the US government does not grant us money for school... guess I was wrong. There are plenty of people out there who need money for school, not just undocumenteds. I don't see why she's upset about not getting loans, when she knows it has no use until DREAM or CIR passes. Unless of course she wants to leave the country with her degree... which is even more reprehensible.

I'm reminded why I don't visit DAP anymore. Gladys has worked hard in school and deserves the chance to go to UC Berkeley. Of course she's upset she can't get loans (which she will pay back) because that means her dream has been put on hold. And the fact that you say she wants to leave the country with her degree is laughable. You don't know the girl, so don't assume. We need to get over the fact that undocumented students shouldn't expect certain things because of our status. We didn't CHOOSE to be in this situation, we are Americans in every way and deserve to be recognized as such.

Also, I hope you know that under the DREAM Act, we will be able to get student loans. Ridiculous.

Truthfully you sound quite like the opposition dude referring to her as "non-citizen" and totally avoiding the fact that without such financial alternatives as loans, many undocumented students cannot and will not fulfill their academic dreams. Needing money for school is one thing, asking for handouts is another and loans are not handouts; they are business transactions with an associated risk regardless of whether the recipient is legal or not.

And just to prove your whole argument wrong, I was able to afford my undergraduate education with loans. Yes I applied and accepted these loans fully knowing that I may not be able to pay these back if the DREAM Act didn't pass by 2005, and yes going back to Mexico was a very viable option to be able to work with my degree and pay these back as I was not about to let my co-signer take the fall for the favor he did. A lot can happen in four years while one goes to college and even though I did graduate undocumented I was fortunate enough to adjust through marriage soon after (its legit, we're married w/ children) so now I'm paying these loans back plus some heavy interest. So your full argument, blame and assumptions are wrong but maybe that's the way you feel about it as it applies to you. Maybe you see yourself as a parasite already but who am I to argue with your self evaluation.

A loan is a risk like any other business venture, granted DREAMies are more of a risk than your normal resident or citizen student but they all can default on these as I have seen with some of my citizen friends.

Under the DREAM Act, since it would provide legal residence for students I am almost certain that you and others will be eligible for loans. Banks want the business and with a social at hand they're more than willing to drive you to the ground in debt cos thats just the nature of the business.

Guys, you are missing the point. Even if she gets loans, she can't use her degree in this country. So why give her government loans when the government KNOWS she has no legal way of gaining lawful employment here.

As for her dream being on hold, it's on hold whether she gets loans or not. She can't work here. The only thing she could need a degree for at this time is to work in another country, in which case, there is no reason for the US government to loan her money so she can work some place else. Either way, until DREAM or CIR pass, there is no reason for her to need a loan *AT THIS TIME*. Therefore, her reasons for wanting government loans seems selfish in nature. No one "deserves" to have their selfishness indulged.

she can go to school and pay instate. now she is seeing that having nine magic numbers is the key. hope she now sees that the main prize is the legal status. that having a normal life is the main goal.

and if she can't go, have her go to some other UC school.

Oh Maria, come on you know you want to join the party!
LMAO!

did you hear that little girl speak to mrs. obama about immigration. It really touched my in ways i've never been touched

Oh, I'm sorry for missing the point. You're right, we don't deserve to get loans.. I mean, we're not going to use our degree after we graduate because the DREAM Act will never pass. I'm so sorry, a bright girl with a 4.0GPA who wants to go to UC Berkeley definitely should just settle for community college or something. I mean, she's obviously so selfish for wanting to get an education at one of the best schools in the country.. it's not like she has earned it or anything.


Unbelievable. For real.. so ignorant.

Go Gladys!

I'm sure she knows the "main prize" is legal status. What does that have to do with trying to go to school?

Also about "have her go to some other UC school," we shouldn't settle when we know we can strive for greatness. Gladys has earned the right to study at UC Berkeley and it is UNFAIR for her to settle for some "other school." Just because we're undocumented does not mean we shouldn't fulfill our dreams regardless of our status.Two amazing dreamers have taught us that. Tam, who was doing her PhD at Brown and Cinthya who was at Columbia School of Public Heath. They didn't settle and neither should Gladys.