Are you an EWI or Overstay? - Page 3

And of course a lot of people in here are still gonna be shitbags lying to themselves and say they are overstays...

So what is the purpose of issuing a 10 year Visa if they can stay for just 6 months? You would be on overstay after 6 months or after 10 years?

To iDream, and Aspire705:

First of all congratulations, I credit you both for changing my opinion. I read both of your posts thoroughly and ask for the same courtesy for I do not want to be misunderstood. My only reasons for using this forum is to encourage, inform, and/or learn from other dreamers. I try to refrain from arguing, but I'm only human and sometimes get carried away.

Well I'm not a trained magician, but here goes my attempt at pulling a rabbit out of a hat. I'll start by explaining my original post and what I was thinking and referring to. Both of you misunderstood me to an extent. I did not intend for you to think "all" overstayers should not benefit from the DREAM act, I was referring to a specific group. The specifc type of overstayer would be someone whose visa didn't expire until after they turned 18. My reasoning behind that was their visa would technically be a visitor's pass and they would know that means they have to go back. Knowing that and being 18 (an adult) and making the decision to stay would mean at the time of breaking immigration law they were an adult and would not qualify under the DREAM act. Now the only thing that I didn't think of, or more accurately I didn't realize was that if they were brought before age 15 (qualifying them for the DREAM act) they would have made this their home. Thank you for making me realize that.

I understand that in my original post I may have come off as ignorant. Actually that was my underlying intention because as an EWI I have no idea what an overstayer's perspective is, or how they think about our somewhat different situations. I also said you can "change my mind" and "I don't mean to offend" because I truly wanted to be informed, and maybe I didn't know how to ask. I'm sorry for that.

Many of yall's arguments arose from the idea that I didn't think overstayers should benefit from the DREAM act, but like I said that was not at all what I meant.

Now that I know why yall would not leave as overstayers, I'll defend my reason for staying and qualifying under the DREAM act. Hopefully this applies to fellow EWIs. I was "sneaked" through the border as a young child I have a very vague memory, basically no memory of the event. I was raised by my parents, by my teachers, by my new friends, by my American television set, and by the odd-number of brief encounters with people here. It is wrong for me to say that this became my home because I don't recall ever having a home other than this place. I am essentially American in every way, but my birthplace. You said that I should sneak back across to right my wrong. I wouldn't even know how or where to do that. And most importantly I don't recall doing anything wrong. Doing what my parents said was not wrong at that age. So what I'm trying to say is this is my home and now that I am an adult the only "wrong" thing that I could possibly do is leave my home. And to be completely honest I didn't know about the 10 year ban until I was 19, I'm still 19. So going back has never even been a plan B.

So thank you for informing me, and I really appreciate both of your posts sorry that I aroused so much disgust on both of your parts. I think if you don't post on here often you definitely should because your opinion is very valuable especially to me.

It doesn't really matter how much you explain yourself. For me, for a person to have their opinion based on disqualifying a group of fellow undocumented immigrants from having a better life IS Ignorant. Whether its for EWI's or Overstays. With that perspective, you're no different from these politicians who plays with our lives for their own selfish benefits. People who categorized us as criminals and a burden for this country. So don't separate yourself from the overstayers and think that you deserve better. because no matter how you paint a rock it's still a damn rock. EWI's and Overstay's are both undocumented and we're all suffering and fighting the same battle. We All deserve the right to be here and we all deserve to live out our American dream.

if i was an EWI I'd leave, go back to my country of origin and go through proper channels. Just sayin..

That's because if all EWI's were overstays, they'd all be married to USC's, and if all overstays were EWI's, they'd all go back to their country of origin and go through proper channels.

Exactly!
This^ too! See what I did there Kevin1is7lucky? The point is that both groups see the other as being better off than they are, when in actuality, neither side is better off.
We're both a part of a sh***y situation that neither of us had a hand in making, & to disqualify one group from relief while granting it to the other is just flat out unjust & plain wrong. Do you see what I'm saying or do u disagree?
I'll respond to the rest of your other post later, but I think this accurately sums up my take on the matter. So whether we agree or disagree can be determined from this post and your response to it.

You completely disregarded the parts of my response where I demonstrated that my opinion had changed... Doesn't that make you ignorant? The reason I even had that opinion was because I thought of them as being adults during the time of their unlawful presence, disqualifying them for the DREAM act. Again keyword there is HAD. The whole point of the DREAM act is to help those who were kids when they were brought here illegally. I felt that if they were adults when they became undocumented then they weren't exactly brought here illegally. Do you understand that? And again let me make the point that I no longer hold that sentiment for reason I have already entailed in my previous response. And never did I mention I was better than overstayers, or even compare them in my original post. All I did was state an opinion/observation so that it may be discussed.

Now I ask you to stop harassing me. I'm not trying to take anything away from anyone, nor do I have the power to do any such thing. I will again make the point that I DO NOT HAVE ANYTHING AGAINST OVERSTAYERS. I never separated myself from the overstayers YOU did that with your rhetoric. Now with that said, I do not personally care what you think of my opinion in future debates or threads, but do not portray me in such falsehood to others.

Okay so from this I get you haven't read my response. And I agree with you neither of the groups is better off, in fact to prove if anyone is better off than someone else you would have to take it on a case by case basis. But our individual struggle is entirely the same. That has always been my view. And like I said before I wasn't trying to take anything from overstayers, and my observation wasn't of overstayers as a whole, but merely a very specific case. And to make it absolutely clear I no longer hold that opinion of that fraction of overstayers.

And to add a personal touch I do not want to be married, geez I'm only 19. So I don't think you have that over me. To me getting married JUST to get citizenship is cheating the system. I'm not about cheating, or taking advantage of anything. And if you have an analytical mind it will be a self- evident truth when you take into account my original post.

And here is another observation I would like to discuss... So one of the Republican problems with the DREAM act is that it encourages illegal immigration, which in reality it doesn't. Although prolonging the DREAM act does because if an immigrant comes now and brings their kids in 5 years their kids will be eligible for the DREAM act. Do you see how it is counter intuitive for Republicans? And encourages illegal immigration?