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The economical issue has been debunked. There was a sizeable chunk of the electorate who voted for Trump because of "white anxiety." Whities being afraid they were becoming minorities. So yes, Dems can campaign on this but the Hispanics have to get out of their cocoon and come out to vote
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The economical issue has been debunked. There was a sizeable chunk of the electorate who voted for Trump because of "white anxiety." Whities being afraid they were becoming minorities. So yes, Dems can campaign on this but the Hispanics have to get out of their cocoon and come out to vote
You’re being brain washed by the media. Yes some did voted for him for as you call it “white anxiety”. But not everyone did, his economic message was better plain and simple.

Hillary didn’t even feel the need to not once visit Wisconsin and she visited Michigan once, that’s how horrible her message was.

Imagine being a voter and a candidate/nominee ignores you because historically these states go democratic. How would you feel?

To say that everyone voted for him because of “white anxiety” is false, I have friends who voted for him because they wanted change and he tapped into that just like Obama tapped into voters in 2008.
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Are you kidding me? Yes some states such as Alabama, Oklahoma, Montana, Mississippi and other small red states did vote for the reasons you mentioned above.

HOWEVER, the most important states and the ones that handed the victory over to Trump such as Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Ohio voted for him because they all felt that economically they were struggling and they had become the forgotten ones.

They didn’t vote for him for social issues. They wanted to know how he would help them better themselves. Do you’re research, all the states I mentioned voted for Trump for economic reasons were frustrated with how the Democratic Party had left behind and as matter of fact even Democrats voted for to Trump.

Trump is delivering on his economic issue which are key to the states he stole from the Democratic base. His red base will always be there regardless of what he says or does.
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The economical issue has been debunked. There was a sizeable chunk of the electorate who voted for Trump because of "white anxiety." Whities being afraid they were becoming minorities. So yes, Dems can campaign on this but the Hispanics have to get out of their cocoon and come out to vote
There seems to be some disparity here.

"Alabama, Oklahoma, Montana, Mississippi and other small red states" voted on social issues more than on the economic issues, but "Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Ohio" voted for Trump more on economic issues as opposed to social issues? Could we see the research on that?

Regardless, how would you factor "white anxiety" into the research? Would someone tell you that they suffer from "white anxiety," or would they tell you that they voted for Trump because of "economic" issues? This does not apply to everyone, but it could apply to some voters whether they realize it or not, and that fraction of the vote could decide an election.

I think it's hard to say either way, but social issues are nothing to scoff at.

Edit: by disparity I'm referring to the two above quoted posts.
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There seems to be some disparity here.

"Alabama, Oklahoma, Montana, Mississippi and other small red states" voted on social issues more than on the economic issues, but "Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Ohio" voted for Trump more on economic issues as opposed to social issues? Could we see the research on that?

Regardless, how would you factor "white anxiety" into the research? Would someone tell you that they suffer from "white anxiety," or would they tell you that they voted for Trump because of "economic" issues? This does not apply to everyone, but it could apply to some voters whether they realize it or not, and that fraction of the vote could decide an election.

I think it's hard to say either way, but social issues are nothing to scoff at.

Edit: by disparity I'm referring to the two above quoted posts.
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The economical issue has been debunked. There was a sizeable chunk of the electorate who voted for Trump because of "white anxiety." Whities being afraid they were becoming minorities. So yes, Dems can campaign on this but the Hispanics have to get out of their cocoon and come out to vote
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There seems to be some disparity here.

"Alabama, Oklahoma, Montana, Mississippi and other small red states" voted on social issues more than on the economic issues, but "Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Ohio" voted for Trump more on economic issues as opposed to social issues? Could we see the research on that?

Regardless, how would you factor "white anxiety" into the research? Would someone tell you that they suffer from "white anxiety," or would they tell you that they voted for Trump because of "economic" issues? This does not apply to everyone, but it could apply to some voters whether they realize it or not, and that fraction of the vote could decide an election.

I think it's hard to say either way, but social issues are nothing to scoff at.

Edit: by disparity I'm referring to the two above quoted posts.
“The gate swung all the way open and Donald Trump walked right through,” said the Democratic pollster, who said the party had failed to connect with these voters’ economic concerns. “It could be a big time, long-term problem that Donald Trump may have exploited and Hillary Clinton may have been ill-equipped to prevent, but now we’re left with it.”

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.freep.com/amp/93572020

So you’re telling me the DEMOCRATIC pollsters and ANALYST are wrong with my argument when they themselves are admitting it according to their data/research?

By the way, if there is so much “white anxiety” as you say there is, why didn’t they turn out to vote twice (2008-2012) against an African American male that was on the ticket?

Have you checked the 2018 elections and the diversity there is in the house? Is that a result of “white anxiety” too?
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“The gate swung all the way open and Donald Trump walked right through,” said the Democratic pollster, who said the party had failed to connect with these voters’ economic concerns. “It could be a big time, long-term problem that Donald Trump may have exploited and Hillary Clinton may have been ill-equipped to prevent, but now we’re left with it.”

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.freep.com/amp/93572020

So you’re telling me the DEMOCRATIC pollsters and ANALYST are wrong with my argument when they themselves are admitting it according to their data/research?

By the way, if there is so much “white anxiety” as you say there is, why didn’t they turn out to vote twice (2008-2012) against an African American male that was on the ticket?

Have you checked the 2018 elections and the diversity there is in the house? Is that a result of “white anxiety” too?
Two main takeaways from your article: A. Hillary was a horrible candidate B. 1% margins won Trump the Presidency.

Gallup has some good research that shows social issues do matter, so why wouldn't a good Democratic candidate campaign on social issues especially when the margin of victory is so little? I'm not saying they should run on social issues (instead focus on health care, the economy), but every bit helps.

On the point of "white anxiety," I'm not saying it's prevalent, I'm saying it could affect 1% of the voting population. That 1% could lead to a victory. I have a hard time believing Trump's social issue stances didn't help him win the election. In terms of past elections, Republicans certainly did show up in 2010 and thereafter (look at the makeup of Congress).

I'll leave at this: the economic issues are more important than the social issues. However, that is not to say that social issues are a non-factor.
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I now this is out of topic, but yall think USCIS is going to keep renewing DACA until a decision is made by the Supreme Court? Reason i'm asking is my DACA expires April 2020.
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I now this is out of topic, but yall think USCIS is going to keep renewing DACA until a decision is made by the Supreme Court? Reason i'm asking is my DACA expires April 2020.
Yes. SCOTUS could have removed the injunctions that started DACA back up, but they didn’t.
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Yes. SCOTUS could have removed the injunctions that started DACA back up, but they didn’t.
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Guys,
Chuck Schumer and 'moderate' DINOS just sabotaged the progressive House vote for DreamAct with their support for billions of dollars wasted in a broken system.

We need a permanent solution and we need it now. These clowns rather keep the humanitarian dysfunction that is our broken immigration system to help themselves election after election. While life passes people by. While people fight the 'system', Trump, racists, illness, loss, and the industrial prison complex.

A big f**k you to anyone who enables them.
Time to organize and work to force a vote in the Senate for the DreamAct. Smoke out all the pretenders once and for all.
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