Atheist - Page 5

I agree with what you say. It really becomes a matter of numbers and statistical probability. What may have been uncertain in small numbers forms patterns and even that uncertainty becomes infinitesimally small. It's the same thing when people dismiss alien life as a possibility. It's just the fact that the probability exists in the 1st place and the fact that not only the variables could come together, but the variables themselves exist.

In all seriousness I feel physics is the only thing coming close to explaining how everything started. I'm not claiming to know beyond the scope of what i've been thaught, which is merely a focus in applied newtonian physics.

The Big Bang was when I banged my English Professor for an A, . . . she's smoking Hot!

Why is this thread still open? I thought it was closed. I'm going on a rampage, Fuck everyone's thought about life, and Fuck yo Couch!

Besides, I shalt be your God from now on, do as I say!

(deep voice) "Call your senators and representatives and you shall be granted blessings from, the United States congress."

Can you please stop being annoying? There are actual intelligent discussions going on in this thread.

Can you stop bitching? and get to solving the formula to life...

sorry daffodils, it's just that I get angry sometimes

will you marry me?

No, I think Daffodils nailed it.

I'm surprised that -as a scientist- you choose the intelligent design argument as proof of the existence of god. Personally, I find teleological arguments the easiest ones to debunk since they're largely based on empirical observation. Anyone with a reasonable sense of sight can see how erroneous they are, so to speak.

You state that “miraculous incidents” support the intelligent design claim, largely omitting all the other not-so-miraculous incidents, you know, tornados, earthquakes, volcanic eruptions, world hunger, poverty, among others. Did god mess up on those with his almighty intelligence? I doubt it. The fact of the matter is that we live in an imperfect, chaotic universe that has evolved into an ordered, self-perpetuating one with an expiration date.

But what I find rather contradicting is how you claim that you don't blindly believe in the bible, you just happen to oppose capital punishment, abortion, stem cell research, and homosexuality in part because of its influence. Awesome. That's like saying you're not gay, but you enjoy getting it on with the same sex, and watching gay porn. I'm sorry to break it to you, but those positions makes you a bible thumper.

Speaking of gays, I'm glad we're ok in your book. As long as we keep decorating homes and bedazzling your clothes, I guess we're kind of peaceable. But when we fight for equality and get all political we turn into “annoying Republicans”. Except for the fact that, say being a Republican, or a christian for that matter, is actually a choice, whereas being gay... -well, let's just put it this way: I've yet to meet a person who would choose to be discriminated against from the moment he can pick up a barbie doll over a truck. And no, having gay friends is no excuse to be a bigot.

Frankly, you strike me as a so-called buffet catholic, who cherry picks what to believe in so as to fit with your preconceptions. I'm sure that if you were diagnosed with brain cancer tomorrow, or gave birth to a gay daughter your positions on homosexuality and stem cells would suddenly change. Then again,there's people like Cheney so who knows, really.

PS: I'd like to apologize to Hrvatica beforehand.

I'm not an atheist I think, because I do somehow feel like there is a higher being ruling over us. So I would identify myself as a non-believer or some sort, that is I do not accept the Christian god or other god that are claimed out there. It seems to me that different religions are giving out their own interpretations of god, and they are based on human reasoning, or teachings from religious leader rather than a true knowledge but in fact, we do not know the truth or never will.

Although I'm not an atheist, I can relate to how many of you guys feel.

Can't we all just get along?

Mods please lock this thread already before it gets out of hand.

Why would you want to close it? are you afraid of knowledge and ideas?. I hate it when people try to stop a conversation because we have to watch peoples feelings, we are not insulting anyone, we are not passing judgments at all, we are just looking at the evidence that religion offers and the conclusion we can draw from it.(If you ask me it is not much)



I am going to try to school you all. Evolution has been pretty much proven, the only people fighting about the facts are illiterate, well kind of, I am sure they can read and write, but they only read what they want to read because it comforts' them and that is not really reading just picking the cherry and eating it. I am sure everyone here has been in a biology classroom, me personally I taken a science class every year since elementary school. I am sure we had all seen this kids who are obviously christian, I say christian because I know for a fact that that is what the majority of people in this country believe in, they walk out of class because their parents told the teacher that they did not want their kids expose to such blasphemy, assholes, what are they so afraid of their kids seen? if religion is base on that much truth, facts and evidence that can with stand anything, why would they mine this? do they not believe in freedom of ideas?. The four main and I am sure they are the largest religions, you know what I am going to just call them cults, the largest cults are judaism, christianity, islam and the mormons, since evolution is true and everyone can agree because of the abundance of evidence that we have, we can draw the conclusion that all this cults are wrong as the origin of humans, since we know that this gods did not create the universe because they don't exist, they are nothing but made up stories and nothing more. Intelligent design is borderline absurd, it's supported by the most outrageously crazy and unintelligent people in the world. I don't know if you guys know this but intelligent design is supported by just christian who want to see their bullshit thought in school. About a few years ago in southern seattle a church was trying to persuade the school board to teach intelligent design in school as a science(Jesus christ are this people suppose to be out the mad house) they broad how noah ark could be a fact and so on, my teacher told me what they were trying to do so I wanted to go and support them in the protest against such stupidity, me and my friend went. I got the chance to talk in front of the school board since we were among a small group of high school students there, incredible I know *Sarcasm*, I actually was prepare to talk. I broad up the argument of teaching satanism, the expression on their faces was priceless, it was like "How fucking dare you bring such thing here" I was not scare of this fuckers since this guys look like the last time they exercise was when pangaea was a continent, I can proudly say I was beyond better shape than them. I was actually afraid of getting into a fight since we all know that this people sort to violence when they know they are losing a intellectual "battle" they just can not wait to punch me for jesus. The reason why I had broad up the church of satanism to be thought is because it is basically the same foundation but with a different twist in the philosophy, the guy who was the head of the school board ask me why it should be thought, I told him "I think if we are to learn about the bible, we should learn about other religions, I propose that we teach satanism since it goes right on target in intelligent design" I was proud of myself because I knew I school every single fucker in their own fucking irony. After I sat down a lady got up to speak, she said this "I think that satanism is not necessary to be thought, SINCE IT DOES NOT HOLD ANY SCIENTIFIC VALUE" the caps are just to emphasize of the stupidity of this woman and not the fact that she said this loudly and proudly like a dumb bitch, as well as the rest of creationist in there because they fucking clap right after the bitch was done saying that. Well end of story, intelligent design is retarded, btw we won, the school board rejected the idea of teaching intelligent design in the school district. but if you know what I am trying to imply is that logic it self can disprove religion.



As for the big bang, I am sure it happen, we do not know what caused it but we cannot draw a silly little assumption to think that higher beings did it. We all thought that the world was flat and the sun was god not so fucking long ago, now we actually know of what it is and why it isn't. it is only a matter time before we know what actually happen in the beginning, if there was ever a beginning. You cannot go around branding crap with god because there is no answer to it just yet. I don't know if you have heard but apparently you haven't, it is possible that we are not the only universe, and I am not talking about parallel universe, I am talking about universes right next to us that have been created by other big bangs and so on, they are a lot more universes, this could go on for ever if you are understanding what I am saying, we could never know if all this just happen or it was created and the meaning of life is what you want it to be, putting a imaginary man above it all is just irrational and sad, enjoy your life, is the only one you get.