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04-19-2025, 01:34 PM
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We might get to become citizens one day, but the US with all the self-footgun tariffs is going to be vastly weaker economically and might face a massively decreased population as those of means to do so escape

China was tariffed at such an incredible level with the hubris that China needs the US more than the US needs China. However, the reality couldn't be more stark and scary for the US. China does trade with the rest of the world and the rest of the world represents 85% of trade for China. The US is just a piddly 15%.

China can find new markets because who doesn't love free trade? But the US can't spin up factories in time to meet demand. Nobody is going to build a factory for when the tariffs might not be here by next week.

Then to add fuel to the inferno the vice president foolishly calls them "Chinese peasants" in another display of tone deaf ignorance. Shenzhen China. And then you realize they have 12 cities larger than NYC with Shanghai is 2.6 X as large as NYC

Those Chinese peasants rocked the US's shit so hard by covertly offloading US treasuries to where the dollar became so shaky that the Euro, Swiss Franc and even the shaky Yen have risen in value compared to the dollar because they are seen as stable currencies. Though its not all China to blame for the treasury securities liquidity dry up recently, this tariff brinksmanship has caused traders to unwind their leveraged bond trades because interest rates have risen and now they are getting shredded.

So my prediction, is that theres more economic pain on the horizon unless theres another temporary pause. Apparently the goal is to crash the economy so the bonds can be refinanced at much cheaper rates to avoid a debt disaster. Its going to be very tough and very challenging And it all could've been avoided with sane and stable currencies backed by gold or even a basket of metals.

I think if they really do carry out mass deportations the Chinese are going to bring Taiwan under heel while the US is tied up in domestic affairs with a manpower and production crunch. They need the US to be unavailable, but in any case it seems like the administration doesn't care much about tiny Taiwan.

The USA and Europe are all at fault for this.
They created this Dragon by sending all the factories down there to exploit that cheap labor.
Then, they fed the Dragon with free trade deals and WTO membership.

Now , they all act surprised when the fat Dragon uses all that money earned from all the trade and factories coming its way to move up the value chain and eat their lunch while buying itself a big dick army/navy to grow even bigger.

Unbelievable.

0% strategic thinking.

Meanwhile, saved for a few bright spots, Latin America remains the same shitland riddled with corruption , crime , and narcos.

With the way things are going, I am going to live to see Latinos immigrating to China to clean Chinese toilets and mow their lawns. Maybe even Americans too.
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04-22-2025, 11:39 AM
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They outsourced everything for cheap gains and now act blindsided that it had long-term consequences. You can’t funnel decades of industry and capital into one place and expect it to stay obedient
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The USA and Europe are all at fault for this.
They created this Dragon by sending all the factories down there to exploit that cheap labor.
Then, they fed the Dragon with free trade deals and WTO membership.

Now , they all act surprised when the fat Dragon uses all that money earned from all the trade and factories coming its way to move up the value chain and eat their lunch while buying itself a big dick army/navy to grow even bigger.

Unbelievable.

0% strategic thinking.

Meanwhile, saved for a few bright spots, Latin America remains the same shitland riddled with corruption , crime , and narcos.

With the way things are going, I am going to live to see Latinos immigrating to China to clean Chinese toilets and mow their lawns. Maybe even Americans too.
Personally, I refuse to learn the tonal mandarin language. I simply can't with the tones. The craziest part of all this is that China has the largest shipbuilding capability ever seen. They are rapidly building up military and navy capability. Not that long ago they barely had any carriers now they have one shitty one from Russia the Varyag with its goofy ski jump ramp and its dependency on diesel fuel it belches thick black smoke wherever it goes.

Then they built the Type 002, and Improvement on all aspects over the awful Varyag while they used the Varyag to build up institutional knowledge on carrier sea operations.

Then they built the Type 003, a complete and new design smaller than the American version but nuclear powered and with an electromagnetic catapult. And now they are building a second Type 003 and possibly even a Type 004 with a railgun. They are working on shipborne railgun technology.

In china they play the long game and have advanced planning capability with their 5-year plans where they set overall goals for their nation and then break down the plan and distribute it across different agencies. Its completely different than the western model of lets just switch everything every 4 years and we will try to get done what gets done if we have the votes and if we have the money. To even be part of the Chinese government you have to pass a civil service exam designed to weed out the stupid and only 2% manage to pass.

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They outsourced everything for cheap gains and now act blindsided that it had long-term consequences. You can’t funnel decades of industry and capital into one place and expect it to stay obedient
The biggest tragedy of outsourcing is that they used it to funnel wealth back into themselves than in producing products of a higher quality for lower price. American labor is very expensive what with the environmental and labor regulations that its cheaper to do manual work in countries with cheaper currency and lower wages.

The silver lining is that some manufacturing might return to the US, but the downside is that it might not be in enough proportion to offset the losses or even available at all. The holy grail of manufacturing is those fancy human-like robots to do the manufacturing that humans do. Imagine a completely automated factory with barely any humans inside. Maybe a few repair techs or lol, the broken robots could be shipped overseas and fresh/repaired ones come ashore in cargo containers.
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