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Laken Riley Act Amendments: Conditional path to citizenship for DACA receipents - Page 5

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01-17-2025, 03:18 PM
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Keep in mind that NO DACA amendment was added to this bill. So we can potentially be affected by this once it passes.

I think it's a long shot we are affected unless you have a criminal record of any sort.

Just stay out of trouble, don't steal shit and don't put yourself in any shady situation. (But we already knew this even before this bill passed)
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I think it's a long shot we are affected unless you have a criminal record of any sort.

Just stay out of trouble, don't steal shit and don't put yourself in any shady situation. (But we already knew this even before this bill passed)
The concern here is that in this bill, a mere accusation of a crime can lead to the process of deportation, without the need for a conviction or evidence. Due process seems to be lacking in these cases, as an accusation from anyone at any time will result in deportation.

While I understand the importance of deporting individuals who have committed crimes, the idea of being deported based solely on an accusation without due process raises a lot concerns.

An example to consider is, let's say you are with your girlfriend and you have an argument. If she is very upset, she may call the police and accuse you of domestic violence. Even if you are innocent and have not done anything wrong, the police may believe her. This situation could lead to deportation orders.

There are many instances where individuals may be falsely accused due to their immigration status and face deportation. This is what this bill addresses. It goes beyond just committing a crime.
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An example to consider is, let's say you are with your girlfriend and you have an argument. If she is very upset, she may call the police and accuse you of domestic violence. Even if you are innocent and have not done anything wrong, the police may believe her. This situation could lead to deportation orders.

There are many instances where individuals may be falsely accused due to their immigration status and face deportation. This is what this bill addresses. It goes beyond just committing a crime.

Come on, brother. Let's not deal in hypotheticals and if it were, the chances of the events happening are slim to none. It's just purely anecdotal and rare cases in any issues.

If you can personally tell me a story of someone you know that stuff like that happens to, then there's a conversation to be had about it.

It's just like me saying, i was assaulted by white supremacists in public. (It doesn't happen all the time) These are just minuscule instances.

At the end of day, its over. It passed, it will be law next week. All we can do is stay out of trouble and not put ourselves in situations like that. If we get caught up and deported, then that's it. It's just not meant to be, man.
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The concern here is that in this bill, a mere accusation of a crime can lead to the process of deportation, without the need for a conviction or evidence. Due process seems to be lacking in these cases, as an accusation from anyone at any time will result in deportation.

While I understand the importance of deporting individuals who have committed crimes, the idea of being deported based solely on an accusation without due process raises a lot concerns.

An example to consider is, let's say you are with your girlfriend and you have an argument. If she is very upset, she may call the police and accuse you of domestic violence. Even if you are innocent and have not done anything wrong, the police may believe her. This situation could lead to deportation orders.

There are many instances where individuals may be falsely accused due to their immigration status and face deportation. This is what this bill addresses. It goes beyond just committing a crime.
yeah but even if it passes it will eventually get picked up by one of the judges Biden just appointed.

thrown all the way to the SCOTUS where it will be struck down

it infringes the constitution directly.
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I think it's a long shot we are affected unless you have a criminal record of any sort.

Just stay out of trouble, don't steal shit and don't put yourself in any shady situation. (But we already knew this even before this bill passed)
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Come on, brother. Let's not deal in hypotheticals and if it were, the chances of the events happening are slim to none. It's just purely anecdotal and rare cases in any issues with extremes happening.

If you can personally tell me a story of someone you know that stuff like that happens to, then ill believe it.

It's just like me saying, i was assaulted by white supremacists in public. (It doesn't happen all the time) These are just minuscule instances.

At the end of day, its over. It passed, it will be law next week. All we can do is stay out of trouble and not put ourselves in situations like that.
That was just an example, but an accusation can come from various sources. The main concern is that even if you strive to be a model immigrant, unfounded accusations can lead to deportation. This is a key component of the bill. It's not about spreading fear, but rather about acknowledging the potential consequences.

Here is a brief overview of what the bill entails.

Step-by-Step Analysis:
  1. Definition of Terms: The term “charged” in legal contexts refers to being formally accused of a crime by law enforcement. This does not require a conviction; it merely indicates that law enforcement can bring charges against an individual.
  2. Legal Framework: The Laken Riley Act specifically states that any undocumented immigrant who falls into the categories mentioned (charged, arrested, etc.) will be detained. This broad language implies that due process protections may be circumvented since individuals could be detained based solely on accusations rather than proven guilt.

In summary, under the provisions outlined in the Laken Riley Act, you can indeed be deported if you are accused of a crime, even if you have not been convicted.
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That was just an example, but an accusation can come from various sources. The main concern is that even if you strive to be a model immigrant, unfounded accusations can lead to deportation. This is a key component of the bill. It's not about spreading fear, but rather about acknowledging the potential consequences.

Here is a brief overview of what the bill entails.

Step-by-Step Analysis:
  1. Definition of Terms: The term “charged” in legal contexts refers to being formally accused of a crime by law enforcement. This does not require a conviction; it merely indicates that law enforcement can bring charges against an individual.
  2. Legal Framework: The Laken Riley Act specifically states that any undocumented immigrant who falls into the categories mentioned (charged, arrested, etc.) will be detained. This broad language implies that due process protections may be circumvented since individuals could be detained based solely on accusations rather than proven guilt.

In summary, under the provisions outlined in the Laken Riley Act, you can indeed be deported if you are accused of a crime, even if you have not been convicted.

Brother, I just want to go by my own life experiences. For 25 years, I have not been "accused" of any crime living here.

If me admitting to to being unlawful prior signing up to DACA is a crime, then so be it. I can live with that and they can take me and ship me out.

It is what it is, my friend. It's out of our hands now. All we can control is how we try to avoid being in situations that would have us getting caught up.
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yeah but even if it passes it will eventually get picked up by one of the judges Biden just appointed.

thrown all the way to the SCOTUS where it will be struck down

it infringes the constitution directly.
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Brother, I just want to go by my own life experiences. For 25 years, I have not been "accused" of any crime living here.

If me admitting to to be unlawful prior signing up to DACA is a crime, then so be it. I can live with that and they can take me and ship me out.

It is what it is, my friend. It's out of our hands now. All we can control is how we try to avoid being in situations that would have us getting caught up.
I believe that while this issue may not directly impact you or me, it could greatly affect other individuals, particularly undocumented immigrants who work in less than ideal conditions and are often exploited. The potential consequences of this situation are numerous and concerning.

Although I am not personally concerned about how this may affect me, I am worried about the impact it could have on my community and friends who do not have the same level of protection or access to resources that you and I may have. It is also important to consider the well-being of those who may be more vulnerable in these circumstances.

Yes, I understand that we are on DACA, and I am also aware that if there is any relief in the future, not everyone will benefit from it. However, I do not want to turn a blind eye to my community just because it does not affect me.
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IT’S OFFICIAL: Democrats have once again betrayed us and abandoned our cause.

The Laken Riley act just passed the procedural process with 61 votes in favor and only 35 against. If this doesn't make it crystal clear that the Democrats are not on our side, then I don't know what will.

The bill is expected to pass next week with significant support from Democrats, providing President Trump with a victory on immigration in his first week in office.

Keep in mind that NO DACA amendment was added to this bill. So we can potentially be affected by this once it passes.
Dreamers and DACA will most likely be attached to a bill with asylum, birthright, and other major changes.. the GOP knew they had the votes so there was no need. They were not going to waste the Dreamer card on something like this
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What do you guys feel about the 13 states coming out to defend DACA's access to the Affordable Care Act? Do you think its pointless, since the program is will end anyway?
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Donald Trump mocked Stephen Miller's xenophobia.

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