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Is It Time To Move On From the Democratic Party?

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11-21-2024, 08:36 PM
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I understand that this topic may be sensitive for some individuals, and there are differing opinions on the matter. With that being said, let's begin.

Over the years, the Republican party has been known for their stance on immigration and their commitment to fulfilling promises made to their supporters. They have also been dedicated to issues such as abortion, which has contributed to their success in elections and their expansion of the Supreme Court advantage to 3.

Many of us have supported Democratic policies and candidates, whether through volunteering, encouraging friends and family to vote, or donating to their cause in hopes of achieving permanent residency. However, it is evident that the Democratic establishment has not met our expectations.

During his presidency, Obama had control of the White House, Senate, and House. Some may argue that he provided DACA, but it is worth considering the motivations behind this decision.

Initially opposed to DACA, Obama ultimately implemented it after being persuaded by Harry Reid to secure Latino votes in 2012. While Obama may have known that DACA would not fully address the issue at hand, he still chose to enact it during a crucial time for his political agenda. It is also worth noting that the Dream Act was not passed by the Democrats in 2010, despite controlling all branches of government.

Looking back from 2009 to 2024, it has been 15 years and the Democrats have not achieved anything. During his four years in the White House, Biden and Harris did not mention us at all, not even when his harsh immigration bill was introduced.

Similar to Obama, he attempted to offer a last-minute concession in the final months of the elections in order to secure the Latino vote. Despite knowing that this law would likely not withstand a court challenge, they proceeded with it anyway, potentially manipulating our emotions.

If the Democratic party truly cares about us, why have they not at least granted a pardon to us Dreamers? While this may not solve all of our issues, it could be a step in the right direction. Biden and Harris opened the door wide open for South Americans to come in and adjust quickly, while Dreamers and other hard-working immigrant communities who have been here for decades are left in limbo.

Which brings me back to my earlier question: is it worth considering leaving the Democratic Party and becoming an Independent? I am only interested in having serious discussions on this matter. If you are not willing to engage in a mature conversation, please refrain from responding.
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11-21-2024, 09:19 PM
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It's an abusive relationship between the Dreamers and the democrats.
Dreamers have nowhere to go , so they stay with the Democrats.
Also, all the organizations and most of the spokespersons that claim to represent us (United We Dream, etc) are liberal. That fact naturally draws the ire of conservatives.
An influential portion of the Republicans made crystal clear that they dislike us and wants us deported so there's no way to deal with them in a meaningful way.
If Dreamers leave the Democrats behind, then they fade into oblivion and irrelevancy.
Dreamers need the Democrats more than the Democrats need them. In this country, the independents mean nothing. I can not name a single movement or political pressure group that is relevant without the backing or tacit acceptance of one of the big political parties.
There are many causes competing for attention from the public and this alignment is what allows us to stay in the spotlight somewhat so people don't forget we exist!
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since i actually have a brain i noticed what was going on in 2017-2018 with Trump, the domnratic party and DACA, my support for the demonrat party INSTANTLY dissapeared.

watch as Trump fixes our stuff while the demonrat party seethes.
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11-21-2024, 09:48 PM
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It's an abusive relationship between the Dreamers and the democrats.
Dreamers have nowhere to go , so they stay with the Democrats.
Also, all the organizations and most of the spokespersons that claim to represent us (United We Dream, etc) are liberal. That fact naturally draws the ire of conservatives.
An influential portion of the Republicans made crystal clear that they dislike us and wants us deported so there's no way to deal with them in a meaningful way.
If Dreamers leave the Democrats behind, then they fade into oblivion and irrelevancy.
Dreamers need the Democrats more than the Democrats need them. In this country, the independents mean nothing. I can not name a single movement or political pressure group that is relevant without the backing or tacit acceptance of one of the big political parties.
There are many causes competing for attention from the public and this alignment is what allows us to stay in the spotlight somewhat so people don't forget we exist!
I believe that as dreamers, we have been led to believe that we have limited options, which has contributed to a strong loyalty to the Democratic party. However, some organizations have not been very helpful to our cause either. They have extreme views that are not realistic.

These organizations advocate for citizenship for all, abolishing ICE, shutting down immigration detentions, and opening borders. Their all-or-nothing approach is not practical. These organizations want to prolong the issue to maintain funding.

While I have supported the Democratic party in the past, my loyalty is starting to waver. After decades of control, their response to our situation has been inadequate. We cannot accept a stance of "we won't fix your situation, but we won't deport you either" any longer. One possible reason for the decline in support for the Democratic party in the recent elections could be the unfulfilled promises made to Latinos in the past.

Many Latinos had previously supported the party in hopes of improvements to their family or friend's immigration status, but with these promises not being met and facing financial challenges under the Biden administration, some may have chosen to vote differently this time around. This situation should serve as a wake-up call to the Democratic party.
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11-22-2024, 12:24 AM
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Honestly, dreamers have no choice but the weak and pathetic Democrats. With Dems, there is a small chance of legalization. With independent, which got 0.5% vote this presidential election, there is no chance.
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The reality is that, yes, this should serve as a wake up call to the Democratic party. Look at someone like Tulsi who has left the party and many others. Someone like Elon, who in the past supported the party and voted for Obama. If it wasn't for the media running the propaganda arm for the party, the party would have absolutely lost by even bigger margins.

I challenge everyone to be "independent" in their thinking and to be open minded to any candidate, no matter the candidate's political party. We should choose the best person from there, as it should always be.

I think many people are waking up to the reality that all the party does is lip service. I hope that the Democratic party reforms itself after this loss, has genuine discourse, has honest self reflections and healthy competitions in upcoming elections.

If you step back and compare the Democratic party of today, compared to say 2010s, 2000s, 1990s, you will find a party that is radically different. It is pretty clear, that the party just follows the trends and operates like true politicians and gives us lip service to win elections.

To your point, at least the Republicans actually have been way more consistent in their beliefs and positions.

The solution? Candidates that actually believe in what they say, candidates that people can actually believe will solve the issues. Not candidates that have been fed by the Machine, not candidates that were forced upon people (aka Kamala), not candidates that did complete 180s on most of their positions (aka Kamala), not candidates that came across as fake (aka Kamala).

The party needs another organic figure to rise up, something like Bernie Sanders achieved but was ultimately screwed by the elites in the party. This time around, the party needs to let natural competition play it self out and allow an authentic figure to take the new leadership of the party.

Today the party is lost, Biden is leaving, the party elders like Nancy are on their way out. Who is leading the party? Nobody knows.

I foresee a long road ahead for the party.
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Yes. Republicans are the keys to passing DA. Trump wants to give GC to college graduates. I voted Republican in the elections.
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yes. Republicans are the keys to passing da. Trump wants to give gc to college graduates. I voted republican in the elections.
Latinos for Trump!
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Majority of the voters voted for Republicans.
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However, some organizations have not been very helpful to our cause either. They have extreme views that are not realistic.
Yes I agree UWD hurts us more than help most of the time. Ive recently gone to their page and they've gotten even more liberal than before and are basically a LGBTQIABCDE+ page that also happens to speak on immigration. They've lost the plot and found a new source of income.
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