Re: Obama takes immigration reform off priority list this year
 

SH*T!!! THIS IS BULLSH*T!!!! CIR is freaking tough! Obama is a leir too. he forgot what he said during the presidency election!! immigration reform has to do it in the first years, and DA should start immidately

Re: Obama takes immigration reform off priority list this year
 

Again, there is no point of pulling the hairs out of the head. Just because a newspaper is conservative and free, it does not mean they are lying. They are simply giving the facts as they see them. Combined with the liberal newspapers, once analyzed, you get the truth.

Also, if CIR is off the table, it does not mean DA is on the table or becomes a priority. It might as well, happen what happened in 2007 when after the failure of CIR, very few organizations and politicians pull the necessary muscle to pass DA. Our campions decided that DA was too small to be worth the effort and the risk.

DA is going to become a priority if we work hard to put it on the politicians consciousness and making it a priority. If DA passes attach to CIR is because we were lazy and pro-CIR groups got us there.

It does not matter how good, nice, attractive, gifted, smart you are. Bills get pass by people who roll their sleeves and do the hard work of creating power to make it so.

Re: Obama takes immigration reform off priority list this year
 

I fail to see how this means no CIR this year.

All i can see is from the article is that, the author believes that CIR is off the list this year. Then the author has used a few anti-reformist quotes to prove his point.

So in conclusion, this article is not stating facts, but rather analyzing if CIR will pass this year and argues that it wont. But in my opinion this article is biased. The author is using ONLY negative/anti-reformist quotes.

This year, we have had many people say that we will have CIR and many saying that we wont. The author of this article is just trying to please it's conservative readers by writing it like that. A good article would give out both sides of the isle and leave the thinking to the readers ( at most just state his/her opinion only after writing about both pro/con sides of the debate).


All i know, CIR is in the committee and is being worked on. Also president has said couple of times ( even this year) that he would to finish it this.

Also many other credible sources and senators believe that it will get voted on at the end of this year ( I.E. senator Schumer). I think even president Obama has said he wants it to voted on this year. He has never once said that he has taken it off his priority lists. Actually few days ago he even mentioned that he is trying to have it done this year.


So I hope people stop being negative. This article means nothing. I am not saying CIR will pass this year or voted on this year, but at the same time i am not going to agree with people who say it wont. In the end, it all depends. All we can do is to try our best and then wait and see.

Re: Obama takes immigration reform off priority list this year
 

While this publication is pretty conservative, I don't think Julie Mason is. I've seen her a couple times on Contessa Brewer's show as the token moderate.

Having said that, she has been accused of putting words into president Obama's mouth before. Specifically, to sort of justify the teabaggers' shenanigans last month.

All in all, I would not really take her word as a credible source. Certainly not against the multiple reports suggesting otherwise.

Re: Obama takes immigration reform off priority list this year
 

wouldn't the opposition like it better if it reads "Obama to pass immigration reform this year"... i think it would get them more mad. the purpose of these conservative articles is to get the public outraged.

how would the public be outraged if they see that its off the priority list?

damn it im soo smart

Re: Obama takes immigration reform off priority list this year
 

When did durbin tell you this?:roll:

Re: Obama takes immigration reform off priority list this year
 

Really? There is a limit to what we can do; we are undocumented afterall. I think the work some people have done for the Dream Act is incredible given the circumstances. Personally, I want to do more, but the time and resources haven't been there. Of course, since the semester is almost over, there should be a pick up in action, but If I had any sort of legal status, I would move to D.C., and campaign for the DA as much as I could. That of course isn't the case. Anyway, we fall into the 17-30 age range. How do you expect the younger part of that group to forget about school, magically get a driver's license, and start campaigning? This is the "Achllie's Heel" of the DA. Please remember that.

I also think the lazy remark is misplaced. Look at how thinks are done in the Senate. There are very few bills passed standalone. Actually, there are very few bills passed in Senate in general. I think less than 1% percent of bills introduced in the Senate actually end up passing. I think in President O's book, he said in 2004, only 12 bills actually passed the senate. Senators know this so they usually attach bills to larger bills. That is just how it is. This is why people say, "Lets do it comprehensively." They know it would be difficult to do each piece individually so they "band together." Sad thing is when the comprehensive option is off the table, as what happened to CIR in 2007, as you said, "Very few politicians and organizations will pull their muscle to pass the DA." Interestingly, the DA didn't need to muscle in 2007 since it still came up for a vote. There just wasn't any time.

Finally, you seem to be in favor of the comprehensive option. That is great, I am not against it either. What I am against is when bills are held back from passing, because people want them to pass comprehensively. So, if CIR will happen this year, let it happen. If it isn't, then trust me, if I see CIR advocates hold the DA back this year, then I will not support a comprehensive option in the future.

Re: Obama takes immigration reform off priority list this year
 

yeah i'd like to know too.

Re: Obama takes immigration reform off priority list this year
 

I agree with "questionsihave"... some of you think that some of us are against CIR, our parents would benefit from CIR; and we all love our parents.

but CIR is holding us back allot. don't forget that there is an age limit on DA. CIR is more universal. Obama is very smart, hes trying to show the public that he has the power to secure the borders, and that he will be able to enforce the law after CIR; cause don't forget, people who have been here less than 2 years; they will be ordered removed, people who been here 2-5 years will be required to go to a port of entry and apply, people who been here 5+ years would apply directly; so all that CIR law would have to be enforced. including labor laws. (the reason why its set up like this, is because its not an Amnesty, its not for everyone; its especially made to benefit the ones who have laid down roots here. and we all know that living here for 1 year isn't really laying down roots)
this current bill may be a bit different; but its basically the same game-plan as to who would qualify according to length of residence.

now don't forget that just because we are all descent people, don't mean that every undocumented person in the U.S is, the point of the bill is to also separate the future contributors from the abusers.

Durbin didn't tell me that he wont push for DA as a standalone. but Obama made it clear he doesn't want things done in pieces.

The Amnesty that happen in 86' benefited only about 3 million undocumented people. now, its 4 times more. so you all have to understand; its not easy at all.
Senator Schummer (NY) said that he will have a bill up for vote by October; late fall. and Shummer is a crazy SOB; he can work miracles. I personally believe what the senators say, rather than some one sided media.

p.s.
you are all fat

Re: Obama takes immigration reform off priority list this year
 

The 2007 cir bill didn't even look like what you described above. The 2006 CIR bill had the 3 tier system ,but everyone who had been in the U.S before jan 1 2007 would have qualified under the 2007 immigration bill.